OT: Republican Party, moderates need not apply

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[quote=pri_dk][quote=briansd1]The only hope for the Republicans is that the economy gets worse, not better in the 4 years of the Obama Administration.[/quote]

True. The Republican partly leadership openly admits that they want the President to fail, and hope that the economic situation gets worse for most Americans. It is the only chance they have to make a comeback in the next four years.

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The economy always plays a major role in any election and how Obama handles or mishandles the economy will of course be an issue.

It definitely played a major role in Obama’s victory. He and McCain were in a dead heat until the late fall when the economy fell off the table.

However, the economy is by no means the Republicans only hope.

IMO the Republican party is in great shape as long as Obama continues the next almost 4 years the same way he has started these first 100. His bumbling of appointments to key positions, his complete naivete and ineffectiveness in geo-politics, his blatant pro-union stance, his financing social engineering by ballooning the budget and his willingness to not even look for political consensus on issues but to ram things through, all have many folks, many who wanted a “uniter” elected, wondering what they did when they elected him.

If you listen to the media you would think that Obama won by better than a 2 to 1 popular vote margin or better. He won roughly 54% to 46% which is to say he got 6 out of every 11 votes. If one person in 11 changes their mind the whole election switches around.

And if you follow the polls you would notice his popularity and that of the Dem Congress have been dropping since the election. It was just celebrated that Obama’s approval rating was 61% after 100 days. It sounds good but it is meaningless unless it is measured against others.
So for the sake of context it may be interesting to know that President Bush (W) had a 63% approval rating after 100 days.

Lastly, I don’t even listen to Rush Limbaugh but I think this mischaracterization of his statement about Obama is out of hand, particularly, when as it is being used here to paint all Republicans. He made a comment about wanting Obama to fail in his social engineering. Both of you are expanding it to encompass the entire economy and extrapolating it to an entire party.

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The evangelical vote has been exploited by the Republicans for 30 years. Over that time, they’ve often voted against their own self interests — resulting in their jobs being shipped overseas, their young being shipped off to war, and their environment being ruined for corporate financial gain. For 30 years they’ve given their vote to the Republicans and what do they have to show for it? There’s no abortion ban, no gay marriage ban, and no prayer in schools. If anything, their goals are slipping even further from their grasp as time goes on.

That’s the problem when trying to use politics for further a religious agenda. You get the politicians doing the exploiting and the religious side being exploited until ultimately both sides realize they’re no longer benefiting from each other — at which point the coalition goes BOOM.

So what we have now are the extreme right clinging to their tired old canards, leaving no room for the moderates to get things done. When your constituency wants their abortion ban, gay marriage ban, and prayer in schools, what room does that leave for things like the economy, foreign policy, health care and education? You know — the things that actually affect people in their daily lives?

My guess is that the GOP will eventually jettison the evangelicals and rise again as the party of fiscal responsibility and social libertarianism — maybe under a different name. The question then becomes, can the moderates on the right win an election without the votes of the millions of evangelicals? It’s hard to say, which is why the Republicans find them selves in the predicament that they are in now.

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The evangelical vote has been exploited by the Republicans for 30 years. Over that time, they’ve often voted against their own self interests — resulting in their jobs being shipped overseas, their young being shipped off to war, and their environment being ruined for corporate financial gain. For 30 years they’ve given their vote to the Republicans and what do they have to show for it? There’s no abortion ban, no gay marriage ban, and no prayer in schools. If anything, their goals are slipping even further from their grasp as time goes on.

That’s the problem when trying to use politics for further a religious agenda. You get the politicians doing the exploiting and the religious side being exploited until ultimately both sides realize they’re no longer benefiting from each other — at which point the coalition goes BOOM.

So what we have now are the extreme right clinging to their tired old canards, leaving no room for the moderates to get things done. When your constituency wants their abortion ban, gay marriage ban, and prayer in schools, what room does that leave for things like the economy, foreign policy, health care and education? You know — the things that actually affect people in their daily lives?

My guess is that the GOP will eventually jettison the evangelicals and rise again as the party of fiscal responsibility and social libertarianism — maybe under a different name. The question then becomes, can the moderates on the right win an election without the votes of the millions of evangelicals? It’s hard to say, which is why the Republicans find them selves in the predicament that they are in now.

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The evangelical vote has been exploited by the Republicans for 30 years. Over that time, they’ve often voted against their own self interests — resulting in their jobs being shipped overseas, their young being shipped off to war, and their environment being ruined for corporate financial gain. For 30 years they’ve given their vote to the Republicans and what do they have to show for it? There’s no abortion ban, no gay marriage ban, and no prayer in schools. If anything, their goals are slipping even further from their grasp as time goes on.

That’s the problem when trying to use politics for further a religious agenda. You get the politicians doing the exploiting and the religious side being exploited until ultimately both sides realize they’re no longer benefiting from each other — at which point the coalition goes BOOM.

So what we have now are the extreme right clinging to their tired old canards, leaving no room for the moderates to get things done. When your constituency wants their abortion ban, gay marriage ban, and prayer in schools, what room does that leave for things like the economy, foreign policy, health care and education? You know — the things that actually affect people in their daily lives?

My guess is that the GOP will eventually jettison the evangelicals and rise again as the party of fiscal responsibility and social libertarianism — maybe under a different name. The question then becomes, can the moderates on the right win an election without the votes of the millions of evangelicals? It’s hard to say, which is why the Republicans find them selves in the predicament that they are in now.

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The evangelical vote has been exploited by the Republicans for 30 years. Over that time, they’ve often voted against their own self interests — resulting in their jobs being shipped overseas, their young being shipped off to war, and their environment being ruined for corporate financial gain. For 30 years they’ve given their vote to the Republicans and what do they have to show for it? There’s no abortion ban, no gay marriage ban, and no prayer in schools. If anything, their goals are slipping even further from their grasp as time goes on.

That’s the problem when trying to use politics for further a religious agenda. You get the politicians doing the exploiting and the religious side being exploited until ultimately both sides realize they’re no longer benefiting from each other — at which point the coalition goes BOOM.

So what we have now are the extreme right clinging to their tired old canards, leaving no room for the moderates to get things done. When your constituency wants their abortion ban, gay marriage ban, and prayer in schools, what room does that leave for things like the economy, foreign policy, health care and education? You know — the things that actually affect people in their daily lives?

My guess is that the GOP will eventually jettison the evangelicals and rise again as the party of fiscal responsibility and social libertarianism — maybe under a different name. The question then becomes, can the moderates on the right win an election without the votes of the millions of evangelicals? It’s hard to say, which is why the Republicans find them selves in the predicament that they are in now.

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The evangelical vote has been exploited by the Republicans for 30 years. Over that time, they’ve often voted against their own self interests — resulting in their jobs being shipped overseas, their young being shipped off to war, and their environment being ruined for corporate financial gain. For 30 years they’ve given their vote to the Republicans and what do they have to show for it? There’s no abortion ban, no gay marriage ban, and no prayer in schools. If anything, their goals are slipping even further from their grasp as time goes on.

That’s the problem when trying to use politics for further a religious agenda. You get the politicians doing the exploiting and the religious side being exploited until ultimately both sides realize they’re no longer benefiting from each other — at which point the coalition goes BOOM.

So what we have now are the extreme right clinging to their tired old canards, leaving no room for the moderates to get things done. When your constituency wants their abortion ban, gay marriage ban, and prayer in schools, what room does that leave for things like the economy, foreign policy, health care and education? You know — the things that actually affect people in their daily lives?

My guess is that the GOP will eventually jettison the evangelicals and rise again as the party of fiscal responsibility and social libertarianism — maybe under a different name. The question then becomes, can the moderates on the right win an election without the votes of the millions of evangelicals? It’s hard to say, which is why the Republicans find them selves in the predicament that they are in now.

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The other issue was also stem cell.

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The other issue was also stem cell.

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The other issue was also stem cell.

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The other issue was also stem cell.

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The other issue was also stem cell.

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Yep, forgot about that one.

We’ve already heard a few whispers about the GOP backing off the hardliner stance against gay marriage. McCain’s campaign manager said as much, so has David Brooks, and so did McCain’s daughter — although I’m not sure how much relevance she has.

It seems as though public opinion has flipped pretty quickly following the Iowa gay marriage change. I think most people realize that marriage equality is inevitable over the long run and they’re afraid of being on the losing team. Perhaps we’ll actually see some Republicans switching their stance on this in a hope to exploit it before the Dems can. Remember, Obama ran against gay marriage. Imagine that — the GOP being the party of gay marriage!

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Yep, forgot about that one.

We’ve already heard a few whispers about the GOP backing off the hardliner stance against gay marriage. McCain’s campaign manager said as much, so has David Brooks, and so did McCain’s daughter — although I’m not sure how much relevance she has.

It seems as though public opinion has flipped pretty quickly following the Iowa gay marriage change. I think most people realize that marriage equality is inevitable over the long run and they’re afraid of being on the losing team. Perhaps we’ll actually see some Republicans switching their stance on this in a hope to exploit it before the Dems can. Remember, Obama ran against gay marriage. Imagine that — the GOP being the party of gay marriage!

[afx114]

Yep, forgot about that one.

We’ve already heard a few whispers about the GOP backing off the hardliner stance against gay marriage. McCain’s campaign manager said as much, so has David Brooks, and so did McCain’s daughter — although I’m not sure how much relevance she has.

It seems as though public opinion has flipped pretty quickly following the Iowa gay marriage change. I think most people realize that marriage equality is inevitable over the long run and they’re afraid of being on the losing team. Perhaps we’ll actually see some Republicans switching their stance on this in a hope to exploit it before the Dems can. Remember, Obama ran against gay marriage. Imagine that — the GOP being the party of gay marriage!

[afx114]

Yep, forgot about that one.

We’ve already heard a few whispers about the GOP backing off the hardliner stance against gay marriage. McCain’s campaign manager said as much, so has David Brooks, and so did McCain’s daughter — although I’m not sure how much relevance she has.

It seems as though public opinion has flipped pretty quickly following the Iowa gay marriage change. I think most people realize that marriage equality is inevitable over the long run and they’re afraid of being on the losing team. Perhaps we’ll actually see some Republicans switching their stance on this in a hope to exploit it before the Dems can. Remember, Obama ran against gay marriage. Imagine that — the GOP being the party of gay marriage!

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