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December 14, 2012 at 10:31 AM #20381December 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM #756282
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ParticipantDon’t get me started on CARB…
December 14, 2012 at 10:57 AM #756284bearishgurl
Participantflu, I know LOTS of people who have applied for and qualified for assistance in the last few years to get older vehicles smogged. The assistance is good to use at any CA Test and Repair stations.
It’s totally worth it to do this application. If you have to register your vehicle non-op while you wait for approval, then so be it. Don’t pay a penny until its fixed.
Wait to load:
http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARResources/ftp/pdfforms/cap_app.pdf
However, I AM pissed at Arnold for raising the “baseline” DMV registration fee from $39 to $64 to (now) $87.
This is highway robbery for an annual registration sticker for a 20+ year-old vehicle.
December 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM #756285
CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN]Don’t get me started on CARB…[/quote]
California has some of the most stupid rules regarding carb….
Well the irony is that if the car is out of state and subsequently registered here, no carb sticker required on the smog test. It only applies if you need to replace the part, and the you need a stupid carb sticker/etching on the part..And the manufacturer will gouge you for it.
Morale of the story #2..If you have an out of state car, keep it registered out of state as long as you can.
December 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM #756286CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl]flu, I know LOTS of people who have applied for and qualified for assistance in the last few years to get older vehicles smogged. The assistance is good to use at any CA Test and Repair stations.
It’s totally worth it to do this application. If you have to register your vehicle non-op while you wait for approval, then so be it. Don’t pay a penny until its fixed.
Wait to load:
http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARResources/ftp/pdfforms/cap_app.pdf
However, I AM pissed at Arnold for raising the “baseline” DMV registration fee from $39 to $64 to (now) $87.
This is highway robbery for an annual registration sticker for a 20+ year-old vehicle.[/quote]
first of all, I wouldn’t qualify for the financial hardship assistance. second, when one sells the car in CA, the burden of getting it smoged and passed is usually for the seller.
The seller didn’t want to deal with getting it smogged since the car wasn’t used often, so they offered me a very low selling price..I agreed on condition that it passed smog…Didn’t think it would fail. But it did…
It really wouldn’t matter if I was going to use the car for “track purposes only” because in that case I could keep the car as non-operating and not need to register it…BUT, then I wouldn’t be able to park the car in public roads…which sucks…So……too much hassle… So i ended up offering the person XXXX minus $400 for the cat… (my personal labor is cheap at $0…)…Person said they would get back to me on monday…
At any case, it’s not really my issue. The person that ends up suffering is this person who needs to sell the car and is cash-strapped. The person doesn’t want to keep the car, but wants to sell it because they say they need the money and/or doesn’t want the extra expense…But since it failed smog, they aren’t going to be able to sell it to normal buyers without getting it fixed first..And no way a normal buyer, upon seeing it has emissions issues, is gonna want to deal with it unless cat is replaced correctly. Person is screwed…
December 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM #756287creechrr
ParticipantWhat year car? OBDII?
Beginning January 1st, MY 2000 and newer will not have to spin the rollers for smog anymore. They going to start just checking the ECU for codes at a “STAR” station.
I think this could be beneficial to some with modified cars.
An O2 sensor spacer could be of benefit.
I can’t find the specific reference at the moment but, there was speculation that a verification of the code will be performed on ’06 and newer vehicles. I assumption was that the check would be done by comparing the checksum data supplied by the OEM against what the ECU is reporting at the time of inspection. That could make reflahsing more challenging.
Yes, I’m also starting to hate this great state.
December 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM #756288Participant[quote=flu][quote=bearishgurl]flu, I know LOTS of people who have applied for and qualified for assistance in the last few years to get older vehicles smogged. The assistance is good to use at any CA Test and Repair stations.
It’s totally worth it to do this application. If you have to register your vehicle non-op while you wait for approval, then so be it. Don’t pay a penny until its fixed.
Wait to load:
http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARResources/ftp/pdfforms/cap_app.pdf
However, I AM pissed at Arnold for raising the “baseline” DMV registration fee from $39 to $64 to (now) $87.
This is highway robbery for an annual registration sticker for a 20+ year-old vehicle.[/quote]
first of all, I wouldn’t qualify for the financial hardship assistance. second, when one sells the car in CA, the burden of getting it smoged and passed is usually for the seller.
The seller didn’t want to deal with getting it smogged since the car wasn’t used often, so they offered me a very low selling price..I agreed on condition that it passed smog…Didn’t think it would fail. But it did…
It really wouldn’t matter if I was going to use the car for “track purposes only” because in that case I could keep the car as non-operating and not need to register it…BUT, then I wouldn’t be able to park the car in public roads…which sucks…So……too much hassle…
At any case, it’s not really my issue. The person that ends up suffering is this person who needs to sell the car. The person doesn’t want to keep the car, but wants to sell it because they say they need the money…But since it failed smog, they aren’t going to be able to sell it to normal buyers without getting it fixed first..And no way a normal buyer, upon seeing it has emissions issues, is gonna want to deal with it unless cat is replaced. Person is screwed…[/quote]
I understand this assistance won’t help a buyer. But it helps an owner whose vehicle can’t pass a biennial smog inspection. If your seller wants assistance and can qualify for it, they will have to wait to sell it until AFTER it’s next biennial smog inspection is due. They COULD get it inspected a few months ahead of when their registration expires (but after they receive the renewal in the mail requiring a smog check). Then, when it fails, put in the application. Hopefully they would be able to get it approved and fixed BEFORE the current sticker expires.
But yes, your seller is “stuck” with not being able to sell the vehicle right now without paying themselves for the smog repair.
December 14, 2012 at 11:15 AM #756289Participant[quote=creechrr]What year car? OBDII?
Beginning January 1st, MY 2000 and newer will not have to spin the rollers for smog anymore. They going to start just checking the ECU for codes at a “STAR” station.
I think this could be beneficial to some with modified cars.
An O2 sensor spacer could be of benefit.
I can’t find the specific reference at the moment but, there was speculation that a verification of the code will be performed on ’06 and newer vehicles. I assumption was that the check would be done by comparing the checksum data supplied by the OEM against what the ECU is reporting at the time of inspection. That could make reflahsing more challenging.
Yes, I’m also starting to hate this great state.[/quote]
OBDII started in 1996. creech, do you mean those vehicles 2000 and newer or those vehicles utilizing OBDII will no longer have to undergo a smog inspection?
A typical “oxygen sensor” replacement (or the like) is about $168 (MUCH less than a typical smog repair).
December 14, 2012 at 11:16 AM #756290CoronitaParticipant[quote=creechrr]What year car? OBDII?
Beginning January 1st, MY 2000 and newer will not have to spin the rollers for smog anymore. They going to start just checking the ECU for codes at a “STAR” station.
I think this could be beneficial to some with modified cars.
An O2 sensor spacer could be of benefit.
I can’t find the specific reference at the moment but, there was speculation that a verification of the code will be performed on ’06 and newer vehicles. I assumption was that the check would be done by comparing the checksum data supplied by the OEM against what the ECU is reporting at the time of inspection. That could make reflahsing more challenging.
Yes, I’m also starting to hate this great state.[/quote]
it’s a 94… And yes, I’m aware of the new tests through the OBD port only…BUT, it’s not happening yet. Trust me… I looked into it…That’s another stupid rule…
If your car has OBD2, rather than sampling emissions out of the tailpipe, they’ll just read it from OBD2 data….Meanwhile, people with money with resources to fudge the ECU will pass just fine…Lol….
Totally backassward.
Also, I was talking to some smog guys and a lot of people are getting out of the business…
It seems like if the smog test place reports cars that fail, it counts against them (even if they are a test only facility…)…I was like huh?
Also, they are now subject to random inspection…So CA inspectors will bring a stock car in, maybe loosen one plug/o2 sensor just a bit…And even if the car passes smog, but the smogger didn’t catch the slightly loosened sensor, they’ll get flagged/dinged….
Pretty stupid…December 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM #756291ParticipantYes, OBDII started with MY ’96 but, my understanding is that the new test with be performed on from MY 2000 on up. I think this is when the post-cat O2 sensor became mandatory.
It appears to me that the an ECU clear of codes and the post-cat sensor will be the gate keepers to a smog certificate going forward.
December 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM #756293Participant[quote=flu][quote=creechrr]What year car? OBDII?
Beginning January 1st, MY 2000 and newer will not have to spin the rollers for smog anymore. They going to start just checking the ECU for codes at a “STAR” station.
I think this could be beneficial to some with modified cars.
An O2 sensor spacer could be of benefit.
I can’t find the specific reference at the moment but, there was speculation that a verification of the code will be performed on ’06 and newer vehicles. I assumption was that the check would be done by comparing the checksum data supplied by the OEM against what the ECU is reporting at the time of inspection. That could make reflahsing more challenging.
Yes, I’m also starting to hate this great state.[/quote]
it’s a 94… And yes, I’m aware of the new tests through the OBD port only…BUT, it’s not happening yet. Trust me… I looked into it…That’s another stupid rule…
If your car has OBD2, rather than sampling emissions out of the tailpipe, they’ll just read it from OBD2 data….Meanwhile, people with money with resources to fudge the ECU will pass just fine…Lol….
Totally backassward.
Also, I was talking to some smog guys and a lot of people are getting out of the business…
It seems like if the smog test place reports cars that fail, it counts against them (even if they are a test only facility…)…I was like huh?
Also, they are now subject to random inspection…So CA inspectors will bring a stock car in, maybe loosen one plug/o2 sensor just a bit…And even if the car passes smog, but the smogger didn’t catch the slightly loosened sensor, they’ll get flagged/dinged….
Pretty stupid…[/quote]flu, is the vehicle you are eyeing a Toy/Lexus product?
Most Toyotas and all Lexuses began using OBDII in 1994, but they are the exception.
December 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM #756295Participant[quote=flu]
It seems like if the smog test place reports cars that fail, it counts against them(even if they are a test only facility…)…I was like huh?
Pretty stupid…[/quote]
What? That would only encourage the smog shop to fudge the test.
I personally have a car that is due for smog and I’m waiting till January. I want to see how this new process works or doesn’t. My cat is 8 years old with a couple track days and canyon runs on it. I think I’d rather the port test.
December 14, 2012 at 11:33 AM #756296CoronitaParticipant[quote=creechrr][quote=flu]
It seems like if the smog test place reports cars that fail, it counts against them(even if they are a test only facility…)…I was like huh?
Pretty stupid…[/quote]
What? That would only encourage the smog shop to fudge the test.
I personally have a car that is due for smog and I’m waiting till January. I want to see how this new process works or doesn’t. My cat is 8 years old with a couple track days and canyon runs on it. I think I’d rather the port test.[/quote]
Yup, I double checked with the person that I heard correctly.
December 14, 2012 at 11:33 AM #756297moneymaker
ParticipantI had a similar experience trying to smog my ’88 jeep. Online the catalytic converter (cheapest I could find) was like $279,add to that the installation and you’re around $400. So i called the local parts places, found it at NAPA for like $179, went in and the manager knocked off another $30 bucks. Had my neighbor weld it in and passed the test better than it ever had since I’ve had the car (16 years). So now I can sell the car, but I love it so much that probably won’t happen anytime soon.
December 14, 2012 at 11:34 AM #756294CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu][quote=creechrr]What year car? OBDII?
Beginning January 1st, MY 2000 and newer will not have to spin the rollers for smog anymore. They going to start just checking the ECU for codes at a “STAR” station.
I think this could be beneficial to some with modified cars.
An O2 sensor spacer could be of benefit.
I can’t find the specific reference at the moment but, there was speculation that a verification of the code will be performed on ’06 and newer vehicles. I assumption was that the check would be done by comparing the checksum data supplied by the OEM against what the ECU is reporting at the time of inspection. That could make reflahsing more challenging.
Yes, I’m also starting to hate this great state.[/quote]
it’s a 94… And yes, I’m aware of the new tests through the OBD port only…BUT, it’s not happening yet. Trust me… I looked into it…That’s another stupid rule…
If your car has OBD2, rather than sampling emissions out of the tailpipe, they’ll just read it from OBD2 data….Meanwhile, people with money with resources to fudge the ECU will pass just fine…Lol….
Totally backassward.
Also, I was talking to some smog guys and a lot of people are getting out of the business…
It seems like if the smog test place reports cars that fail, it counts against them (even if they are a test only facility…)…I was like huh?
Also, they are now subject to random inspection…So CA inspectors will bring a stock car in, maybe loosen one plug/o2 sensor just a bit…And even if the car passes smog, but the smogger didn’t catch the slightly loosened sensor, they’ll get flagged/dinged….
Pretty stupid…[/quote]flu, is the vehicle you are eyeing a Toy/Lexus product?
Most Toyotas and all Lexuses began using OBDII in 1994, but they are the exception.[/quote]
No….
No offense. But, Lexus and “track car” are not two words that I would put in the same sentence…
As far as Toyota, couldn’t find a Supra or MR2, nor are they the cars I have in mind since I wanted something that weighs less.
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