OT: “Sing for Change” – the Obama Youth

[UCGal]

[quote=partypup]Just when you thought life in 2009 couldn’t get any creepier. Why would people allow their children to participate in something like this?

These are very scary times…

[/quote]

I watched the video – it was posted back in 2008 before the election. (you say 2009 above).

I don’t see a comparison to Hitler youth or Nazis. The words to the song are only offensive if you think Obama is the anti-Christ. The words are about hope. (Be afraid!)

How is this different than children’s choirs in church or glee clubs? Because the song had a political basis? Would you have felt the same way if they’d been singing “This Land is Your Land”? That was extremely politcal at the time.

I guess I don’t get the reaction of creepiness and fear.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”some of whom were ardent Nazis”

some of the history I have read about Werner von Braun and his crew is that they were openly Nazis even after coming to America – had the Swastika on display, etc [/quote]

4plex: Like I said, I wound up researching Operation Paperclip for this school report and, while I don’t remember specific names, there were members of the group that had been implicated in Nazi “science” (as in on people) experiments during WWII.

I remember that it offended my dad deeply, as he and my uncle had fought in WWII. We were of German descent, and so my grandma insisted that my dad and uncle join the Marines (meaning that they’d be fighting against the Japanese in the Pacific and not killing Germans in Europe) and my grandma had left Germany in 1935 due to the Nazis.

Which leads us back to the old saw about behind every great nation lie great crimes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”some of whom were ardent Nazis”

some of the history I have read about Werner von Braun and his crew is that they were openly Nazis even after coming to America – had the Swastika on display, etc [/quote]

4plex: Like I said, I wound up researching Operation Paperclip for this school report and, while I don’t remember specific names, there were members of the group that had been implicated in Nazi “science” (as in on people) experiments during WWII.

I remember that it offended my dad deeply, as he and my uncle had fought in WWII. We were of German descent, and so my grandma insisted that my dad and uncle join the Marines (meaning that they’d be fighting against the Japanese in the Pacific and not killing Germans in Europe) and my grandma had left Germany in 1935 due to the Nazis.

Which leads us back to the old saw about behind every great nation lie great crimes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”some of whom were ardent Nazis”

some of the history I have read about Werner von Braun and his crew is that they were openly Nazis even after coming to America – had the Swastika on display, etc [/quote]

4plex: Like I said, I wound up researching Operation Paperclip for this school report and, while I don’t remember specific names, there were members of the group that had been implicated in Nazi “science” (as in on people) experiments during WWII.

I remember that it offended my dad deeply, as he and my uncle had fought in WWII. We were of German descent, and so my grandma insisted that my dad and uncle join the Marines (meaning that they’d be fighting against the Japanese in the Pacific and not killing Germans in Europe) and my grandma had left Germany in 1935 due to the Nazis.

Which leads us back to the old saw about behind every great nation lie great crimes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”some of whom were ardent Nazis”

some of the history I have read about Werner von Braun and his crew is that they were openly Nazis even after coming to America – had the Swastika on display, etc [/quote]

4plex: Like I said, I wound up researching Operation Paperclip for this school report and, while I don’t remember specific names, there were members of the group that had been implicated in Nazi “science” (as in on people) experiments during WWII.

I remember that it offended my dad deeply, as he and my uncle had fought in WWII. We were of German descent, and so my grandma insisted that my dad and uncle join the Marines (meaning that they’d be fighting against the Japanese in the Pacific and not killing Germans in Europe) and my grandma had left Germany in 1935 due to the Nazis.

Which leads us back to the old saw about behind every great nation lie great crimes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”some of whom were ardent Nazis”

some of the history I have read about Werner von Braun and his crew is that they were openly Nazis even after coming to America – had the Swastika on display, etc [/quote]

4plex: Like I said, I wound up researching Operation Paperclip for this school report and, while I don’t remember specific names, there were members of the group that had been implicated in Nazi “science” (as in on people) experiments during WWII.

I remember that it offended my dad deeply, as he and my uncle had fought in WWII. We were of German descent, and so my grandma insisted that my dad and uncle join the Marines (meaning that they’d be fighting against the Japanese in the Pacific and not killing Germans in Europe) and my grandma had left Germany in 1935 due to the Nazis.

Which leads us back to the old saw about behind every great nation lie great crimes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=UCGal][quote=partypup]Just when you thought life in 2009 couldn’t get any creepier. Why would people allow their children to participate in something like this?

These are very scary times…

[/quote]

I watched the video – it was posted back in 2008 before the election. (you say 2009 above).

I don’t see a comparison to Hitler youth or Nazis. The words to the song are only offensive if you think Obama is the anti-Christ. The words are about hope. (Be afraid!)

How is this different than children’s choirs in church or glee clubs? Because the song had a political basis? Would you have felt the same way if they’d been singing “This Land is Your Land”? That was extremely politcal at the time.

I guess I don’t get the reaction of creepiness and fear.[/quote]

UC: For me, it’s the symbology and iconography that gets me, not the song.

For the record, the Hitler Youth and Komsomol (Communist Union of Youth during the USSR days) weren’t singing about world domination or aggression. Nope, they were singing about “hope” and “change” (a platform old Adolf ran on, by the way) and a better way of remaking the world.

And, make no mistake, Obama is all about remaking the US. Compare his campaign to his administration and it springs fully into view. Thus, the importance of rhetoric and symbols and fresh faced little kids singing about Hope (capital H). That is creepy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=UCGal][quote=partypup]Just when you thought life in 2009 couldn’t get any creepier. Why would people allow their children to participate in something like this?

These are very scary times…

[/quote]

I watched the video – it was posted back in 2008 before the election. (you say 2009 above).

I don’t see a comparison to Hitler youth or Nazis. The words to the song are only offensive if you think Obama is the anti-Christ. The words are about hope. (Be afraid!)

How is this different than children’s choirs in church or glee clubs? Because the song had a political basis? Would you have felt the same way if they’d been singing “This Land is Your Land”? That was extremely politcal at the time.

I guess I don’t get the reaction of creepiness and fear.[/quote]

UC: For me, it’s the symbology and iconography that gets me, not the song.

For the record, the Hitler Youth and Komsomol (Communist Union of Youth during the USSR days) weren’t singing about world domination or aggression. Nope, they were singing about “hope” and “change” (a platform old Adolf ran on, by the way) and a better way of remaking the world.

And, make no mistake, Obama is all about remaking the US. Compare his campaign to his administration and it springs fully into view. Thus, the importance of rhetoric and symbols and fresh faced little kids singing about Hope (capital H). That is creepy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=UCGal][quote=partypup]Just when you thought life in 2009 couldn’t get any creepier. Why would people allow their children to participate in something like this?

These are very scary times…

[/quote]

I watched the video – it was posted back in 2008 before the election. (you say 2009 above).

I don’t see a comparison to Hitler youth or Nazis. The words to the song are only offensive if you think Obama is the anti-Christ. The words are about hope. (Be afraid!)

How is this different than children’s choirs in church or glee clubs? Because the song had a political basis? Would you have felt the same way if they’d been singing “This Land is Your Land”? That was extremely politcal at the time.

I guess I don’t get the reaction of creepiness and fear.[/quote]

UC: For me, it’s the symbology and iconography that gets me, not the song.

For the record, the Hitler Youth and Komsomol (Communist Union of Youth during the USSR days) weren’t singing about world domination or aggression. Nope, they were singing about “hope” and “change” (a platform old Adolf ran on, by the way) and a better way of remaking the world.

And, make no mistake, Obama is all about remaking the US. Compare his campaign to his administration and it springs fully into view. Thus, the importance of rhetoric and symbols and fresh faced little kids singing about Hope (capital H). That is creepy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=UCGal][quote=partypup]Just when you thought life in 2009 couldn’t get any creepier. Why would people allow their children to participate in something like this?

These are very scary times…

[/quote]

I watched the video – it was posted back in 2008 before the election. (you say 2009 above).

I don’t see a comparison to Hitler youth or Nazis. The words to the song are only offensive if you think Obama is the anti-Christ. The words are about hope. (Be afraid!)

How is this different than children’s choirs in church or glee clubs? Because the song had a political basis? Would you have felt the same way if they’d been singing “This Land is Your Land”? That was extremely politcal at the time.

I guess I don’t get the reaction of creepiness and fear.[/quote]

UC: For me, it’s the symbology and iconography that gets me, not the song.

For the record, the Hitler Youth and Komsomol (Communist Union of Youth during the USSR days) weren’t singing about world domination or aggression. Nope, they were singing about “hope” and “change” (a platform old Adolf ran on, by the way) and a better way of remaking the world.

And, make no mistake, Obama is all about remaking the US. Compare his campaign to his administration and it springs fully into view. Thus, the importance of rhetoric and symbols and fresh faced little kids singing about Hope (capital H). That is creepy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=UCGal][quote=partypup]Just when you thought life in 2009 couldn’t get any creepier. Why would people allow their children to participate in something like this?

These are very scary times…

[/quote]

I watched the video – it was posted back in 2008 before the election. (you say 2009 above).

I don’t see a comparison to Hitler youth or Nazis. The words to the song are only offensive if you think Obama is the anti-Christ. The words are about hope. (Be afraid!)

How is this different than children’s choirs in church or glee clubs? Because the song had a political basis? Would you have felt the same way if they’d been singing “This Land is Your Land”? That was extremely politcal at the time.

I guess I don’t get the reaction of creepiness and fear.[/quote]

UC: For me, it’s the symbology and iconography that gets me, not the song.

For the record, the Hitler Youth and Komsomol (Communist Union of Youth during the USSR days) weren’t singing about world domination or aggression. Nope, they were singing about “hope” and “change” (a platform old Adolf ran on, by the way) and a better way of remaking the world.

And, make no mistake, Obama is all about remaking the US. Compare his campaign to his administration and it springs fully into view. Thus, the importance of rhetoric and symbols and fresh faced little kids singing about Hope (capital H). That is creepy.

[no_such_reality]

October 1, 2008 that’s the publishing date. Pre-election in the middle of the election fight.

In context not nearly as disturbing as it would be today.

[no_such_reality]

October 1, 2008 that’s the publishing date. Pre-election in the middle of the election fight.

In context not nearly as disturbing as it would be today.

[no_such_reality]

October 1, 2008 that’s the publishing date. Pre-election in the middle of the election fight.

In context not nearly as disturbing as it would be today.

[no_such_reality]

October 1, 2008 that’s the publishing date. Pre-election in the middle of the election fight.

In context not nearly as disturbing as it would be today.

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