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June 9, 2009 at 1:39 AM #413267June 9, 2009 at 2:15 AM #412574
sd_matt
ParticipantI wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.
Flip a coin on that one since he subscribed to the Rev. Wright School if History for twenty years.
June 9, 2009 at 2:15 AM #412810ParticipantI wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.
Flip a coin on that one since he subscribed to the Rev. Wright School if History for twenty years.
June 9, 2009 at 2:15 AM #413056ParticipantI wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.
Flip a coin on that one since he subscribed to the Rev. Wright School if History for twenty years.
June 9, 2009 at 2:15 AM #413121ParticipantI wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.
Flip a coin on that one since he subscribed to the Rev. Wright School if History for twenty years.
June 9, 2009 at 2:15 AM #413273ParticipantI wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.
Flip a coin on that one since he subscribed to the Rev. Wright School if History for twenty years.
June 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM #412604Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
It’s also interesting to note that North Korea does not consider South Korea it’s main foe: The US holds that role. South Korea considers North Korea their main enemy, but not vice versa.Either way, a second Korean War would be devastating and I don’t doubt that we’d see WMD and even nukes if Kim had them in deployable fashion. I don’t seriously think he wants war, especially because he knows the final outcome, but it’s a convenient bargaining chip/tool for him to use.
[/quote]it’s quite late but I must comment on this statement that NKorea doesn’t consider SKorea as its main enemy quite irks me. That idea is actually a very clever piece of propaganda NKorea has been spreading for a very long time. Despite the silly propaganda pieces they put up on their state TV/newspaper, their psychological operation against SKorea is quite sophisticate and experienced. NKorea is just taking advantage of the fact that N and S Korea shared same blood. But it’s BS that NKorea only considers US as its main enemy. It considers SKorea as it main enemy too.[/quote]
Dba: North Korea considers South Korea a foe, obviously, but the US is its main enemy and North Korea’s entire military posture is built around a “total war” operations plan designed to bleed US forces white and force our exit from the Korean peninsula.
While I certainly credit Kim and the North for being masters of propaganda, their war plans speak volumes, too.
As to your notion that China wouldn’t care too much if the North imploded and they were suddenly flooded with refugees: Not true. China has made no secret of their fears/concerns of both a unified Korea and the possibility of massive numbers of North Koreans seeking aid. China lacks the homogeneity the world credits them for, especially in terms of ethnicity and culture and there is a longstanding sense of enmity between China and Korea, despite their sharing communist credentials.
China is also struggling with maintaining control over various segments of their population and adding several million mouths to feed, along with the attendant social upheaval, wouldn’t be good.
To China, social “dislocation” is to be avoided at all costs, hence the government’s constant and consistent exhortations and admonishments regarding “harmony”, “togetherness” and “unity”. Their actions against Falun Gong, the Uighurs and the Tibetan/Nepalese “policies” clearly illustrate how fearful China is of both outside influences and/or those things that disrupt or dilute the party line.
June 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM #412839Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
It’s also interesting to note that North Korea does not consider South Korea it’s main foe: The US holds that role. South Korea considers North Korea their main enemy, but not vice versa.Either way, a second Korean War would be devastating and I don’t doubt that we’d see WMD and even nukes if Kim had them in deployable fashion. I don’t seriously think he wants war, especially because he knows the final outcome, but it’s a convenient bargaining chip/tool for him to use.
[/quote]it’s quite late but I must comment on this statement that NKorea doesn’t consider SKorea as its main enemy quite irks me. That idea is actually a very clever piece of propaganda NKorea has been spreading for a very long time. Despite the silly propaganda pieces they put up on their state TV/newspaper, their psychological operation against SKorea is quite sophisticate and experienced. NKorea is just taking advantage of the fact that N and S Korea shared same blood. But it’s BS that NKorea only considers US as its main enemy. It considers SKorea as it main enemy too.[/quote]
Dba: North Korea considers South Korea a foe, obviously, but the US is its main enemy and North Korea’s entire military posture is built around a “total war” operations plan designed to bleed US forces white and force our exit from the Korean peninsula.
While I certainly credit Kim and the North for being masters of propaganda, their war plans speak volumes, too.
As to your notion that China wouldn’t care too much if the North imploded and they were suddenly flooded with refugees: Not true. China has made no secret of their fears/concerns of both a unified Korea and the possibility of massive numbers of North Koreans seeking aid. China lacks the homogeneity the world credits them for, especially in terms of ethnicity and culture and there is a longstanding sense of enmity between China and Korea, despite their sharing communist credentials.
China is also struggling with maintaining control over various segments of their population and adding several million mouths to feed, along with the attendant social upheaval, wouldn’t be good.
To China, social “dislocation” is to be avoided at all costs, hence the government’s constant and consistent exhortations and admonishments regarding “harmony”, “togetherness” and “unity”. Their actions against Falun Gong, the Uighurs and the Tibetan/Nepalese “policies” clearly illustrate how fearful China is of both outside influences and/or those things that disrupt or dilute the party line.
June 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM #413085Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
It’s also interesting to note that North Korea does not consider South Korea it’s main foe: The US holds that role. South Korea considers North Korea their main enemy, but not vice versa.Either way, a second Korean War would be devastating and I don’t doubt that we’d see WMD and even nukes if Kim had them in deployable fashion. I don’t seriously think he wants war, especially because he knows the final outcome, but it’s a convenient bargaining chip/tool for him to use.
[/quote]it’s quite late but I must comment on this statement that NKorea doesn’t consider SKorea as its main enemy quite irks me. That idea is actually a very clever piece of propaganda NKorea has been spreading for a very long time. Despite the silly propaganda pieces they put up on their state TV/newspaper, their psychological operation against SKorea is quite sophisticate and experienced. NKorea is just taking advantage of the fact that N and S Korea shared same blood. But it’s BS that NKorea only considers US as its main enemy. It considers SKorea as it main enemy too.[/quote]
Dba: North Korea considers South Korea a foe, obviously, but the US is its main enemy and North Korea’s entire military posture is built around a “total war” operations plan designed to bleed US forces white and force our exit from the Korean peninsula.
While I certainly credit Kim and the North for being masters of propaganda, their war plans speak volumes, too.
As to your notion that China wouldn’t care too much if the North imploded and they were suddenly flooded with refugees: Not true. China has made no secret of their fears/concerns of both a unified Korea and the possibility of massive numbers of North Koreans seeking aid. China lacks the homogeneity the world credits them for, especially in terms of ethnicity and culture and there is a longstanding sense of enmity between China and Korea, despite their sharing communist credentials.
China is also struggling with maintaining control over various segments of their population and adding several million mouths to feed, along with the attendant social upheaval, wouldn’t be good.
To China, social “dislocation” is to be avoided at all costs, hence the government’s constant and consistent exhortations and admonishments regarding “harmony”, “togetherness” and “unity”. Their actions against Falun Gong, the Uighurs and the Tibetan/Nepalese “policies” clearly illustrate how fearful China is of both outside influences and/or those things that disrupt or dilute the party line.
June 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM #413151Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
It’s also interesting to note that North Korea does not consider South Korea it’s main foe: The US holds that role. South Korea considers North Korea their main enemy, but not vice versa.Either way, a second Korean War would be devastating and I don’t doubt that we’d see WMD and even nukes if Kim had them in deployable fashion. I don’t seriously think he wants war, especially because he knows the final outcome, but it’s a convenient bargaining chip/tool for him to use.
[/quote]it’s quite late but I must comment on this statement that NKorea doesn’t consider SKorea as its main enemy quite irks me. That idea is actually a very clever piece of propaganda NKorea has been spreading for a very long time. Despite the silly propaganda pieces they put up on their state TV/newspaper, their psychological operation against SKorea is quite sophisticate and experienced. NKorea is just taking advantage of the fact that N and S Korea shared same blood. But it’s BS that NKorea only considers US as its main enemy. It considers SKorea as it main enemy too.[/quote]
Dba: North Korea considers South Korea a foe, obviously, but the US is its main enemy and North Korea’s entire military posture is built around a “total war” operations plan designed to bleed US forces white and force our exit from the Korean peninsula.
While I certainly credit Kim and the North for being masters of propaganda, their war plans speak volumes, too.
As to your notion that China wouldn’t care too much if the North imploded and they were suddenly flooded with refugees: Not true. China has made no secret of their fears/concerns of both a unified Korea and the possibility of massive numbers of North Koreans seeking aid. China lacks the homogeneity the world credits them for, especially in terms of ethnicity and culture and there is a longstanding sense of enmity between China and Korea, despite their sharing communist credentials.
China is also struggling with maintaining control over various segments of their population and adding several million mouths to feed, along with the attendant social upheaval, wouldn’t be good.
To China, social “dislocation” is to be avoided at all costs, hence the government’s constant and consistent exhortations and admonishments regarding “harmony”, “togetherness” and “unity”. Their actions against Falun Gong, the Uighurs and the Tibetan/Nepalese “policies” clearly illustrate how fearful China is of both outside influences and/or those things that disrupt or dilute the party line.
June 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM #413301Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
It’s also interesting to note that North Korea does not consider South Korea it’s main foe: The US holds that role. South Korea considers North Korea their main enemy, but not vice versa.Either way, a second Korean War would be devastating and I don’t doubt that we’d see WMD and even nukes if Kim had them in deployable fashion. I don’t seriously think he wants war, especially because he knows the final outcome, but it’s a convenient bargaining chip/tool for him to use.
[/quote]it’s quite late but I must comment on this statement that NKorea doesn’t consider SKorea as its main enemy quite irks me. That idea is actually a very clever piece of propaganda NKorea has been spreading for a very long time. Despite the silly propaganda pieces they put up on their state TV/newspaper, their psychological operation against SKorea is quite sophisticate and experienced. NKorea is just taking advantage of the fact that N and S Korea shared same blood. But it’s BS that NKorea only considers US as its main enemy. It considers SKorea as it main enemy too.[/quote]
Dba: North Korea considers South Korea a foe, obviously, but the US is its main enemy and North Korea’s entire military posture is built around a “total war” operations plan designed to bleed US forces white and force our exit from the Korean peninsula.
While I certainly credit Kim and the North for being masters of propaganda, their war plans speak volumes, too.
As to your notion that China wouldn’t care too much if the North imploded and they were suddenly flooded with refugees: Not true. China has made no secret of their fears/concerns of both a unified Korea and the possibility of massive numbers of North Koreans seeking aid. China lacks the homogeneity the world credits them for, especially in terms of ethnicity and culture and there is a longstanding sense of enmity between China and Korea, despite their sharing communist credentials.
China is also struggling with maintaining control over various segments of their population and adding several million mouths to feed, along with the attendant social upheaval, wouldn’t be good.
To China, social “dislocation” is to be avoided at all costs, hence the government’s constant and consistent exhortations and admonishments regarding “harmony”, “togetherness” and “unity”. Their actions against Falun Gong, the Uighurs and the Tibetan/Nepalese “policies” clearly illustrate how fearful China is of both outside influences and/or those things that disrupt or dilute the party line.
June 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM #412609afx114
Participant[quote=sd_matt]I wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.[/quote]
What would you have him do? Invade North Korea?
June 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM #412844Participant[quote=sd_matt]I wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.[/quote]
What would you have him do? Invade North Korea?
June 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM #413090Participant[quote=sd_matt]I wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.[/quote]
What would you have him do? Invade North Korea?
June 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM #413156Participant[quote=sd_matt]I wonder how much of Obama believes in appeasement and how much of him believes that he really is slick enough to disarm NK with words.[/quote]
What would you have him do? Invade North Korea?
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