OT: Public pay & benefits

[CA renter]

[quote=EmilyHicks]Here is the sales tax rate in California over the years

Effective Date Sales Tax in California
4/1/2009 8.25%
7/1/2004 7.25%
1/1/2002 7.25%
1/1/2001 7.00%
7/15/1991 7.25%
1/1/1991 6.00%
12/1/1989 6.25%
4/1/1974 6.00%
10/1/1973 5.00%
7/1/1973 6.00%
7/1/1972 5.00%
8/1/1967 5.00%
1/1/1962 4.00%
7/1/1949 3.00%
7/1/1943 2.50%
7/1/1935 3.00%
8/01/33** 2.50%[/quote]

Though it’s federal, look at what happened to the top marginal tax rates during that period:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/151.html

Interestingly, it looks like our economy was performing best when top marginal tax rates were highest.

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Maybe this is the biggest problem facing the state:

The major part of PIT revenue comes from wages and salaries and accounts for nearly sixty percent of the total. Capital gains taxation contributes to a much lesser extent however, in recent years the share of capital gains has been steadily increasing.
This has been on account of many factors. Firstly, because the nature of income is generally attributable to high bracket income tax payers and is therefore, subject to be taxed at higher rates. The dollar amount of capital gains has risen rapidly in recent times. Now as capital gains are highly volatile, being mostly related to the stock market and the housing sector, they make PIT volatile and difficult to forecast and this poses many revenue-related challenges.

In the US, forty-three states and the District of Columbia impose personal income tax. By making an interstate comparison, it is found that the California PIT is above average than all other states. In marginal tax rates, the upper most level of marginal tax rate in California is quite high, as compared to most other states and it is next only to Oregon, although the lowest marginal tax rate covers a rather wide band of income range. The PIT burden in California is certainly higher. It is another matter that the cumulative burden of all other taxes in the state of California is near average, which helps to mitigate the effects of a higher PIT to some extent.

Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/destinations-articles/overview-of-california-income-tax-114608.html#ixzz13itgrIrP
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution
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Mind you, I’ll be the first to say that spending has gotten way out of control. Where we disagree is the nature of that overspending. Again, I’ve said before many times that the pension issue needs to be addressed, but trying to make public unions the scapegoat for all of our ills is overly simplistic, and uninformed, IMHO. It doesn’t address the root causes of our problems.

[CA renter]

While people repeat the talking points aimed at them by the MSM, here is the real source of our problems (and it has nothing to do with unions):

“Every 34th wage earner in America in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a single dollar, new data from the Social Security Administration show. Total wages, median wages, and average wages all declined, but at the very top, salaries grew more than fivefold.

Not a single news organization reported this data when it was released October 15, searches of Google and the Nexis databases show. Nor did any blog, so the citizen journalists and professional economists did no better than the newsroom pros in reporting this basic information about our economy.

The new data hold important lessons for economic growth and tax policy and take on added meaning when examined in light of tax return data back to 1950.

The story the numbers tell is one of a strengthening economic base with income growing fastest at the bottom until, in 1981, we made an abrupt change in tax and economic policy. Since then the base has fared poorly while huge economic gains piled up at the very top, along with much lower tax burdens.

But they do give us a stunning picture of what’s happening at the very top of the compensation ladder in America.

The number of Americans making $50 million or more, the top income category in the data, fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 last year. But that’s only part of the story.

The average wage in this top category increased from $91.2 million in 2008 to an astonishing $518.8 million in 2009. That’s nearly $10 million in weekly pay!

You read that right. In the Great Recession year of 2009 (officially just the first half of the year), the average pay of the very highest-income Americans was more than five times their average wages and bonuses in 2008. And even though their numbers shrank by 43 percent, this group’s total compensation was 3.2 times larger in 2009 than in 2008, accounting for 0.6 percent of all pay. These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.

Back in 1994, when the top category the government reported on was $20 million or more of compensation, only 25 people were in that rarefied atmosphere, and their average earnings came to just under $45 million in 2009 dollars.

What does this all mean? It is the latest, and in this case quite dramatic, evidence that our economic policies in Washington are undermining the nation as a whole.We have created a tax system that changes continually as politicians manipulate it to extract campaign donations. We have enabled ‘‘free trade’’ that is nothing of the sort, but rather tax-subsidized mechanisms that encourage American manufacturers to close their domestic factories, fire workers, and then use cheap labor in China for products they send right back to the United States. This has created enormous downward pressure on wages, and not just for factory workers.

Combined with government policies that have reduced the share of private-sector workers in unions by more than two-thirds — while our competitors in Canada, Europe, and Japan continue to have highly unionized workforces — the net effect has been disastrous for the vast majority of American workers. And of course, less money earned from labor translates into less money to finance the United States of America.”

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8a175a1d-4343-4bcf-86bf-1d8a8bf039b7

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Much more information in that link. It would be good for everyone to read it so they might have a better grasp of what is causing our country’s demise.

[CA renter]

While people repeat the talking points aimed at them by the MSM, here is the real source of our problems (and it has nothing to do with unions):

“Every 34th wage earner in America in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a single dollar, new data from the Social Security Administration show. Total wages, median wages, and average wages all declined, but at the very top, salaries grew more than fivefold.

Not a single news organization reported this data when it was released October 15, searches of Google and the Nexis databases show. Nor did any blog, so the citizen journalists and professional economists did no better than the newsroom pros in reporting this basic information about our economy.

The new data hold important lessons for economic growth and tax policy and take on added meaning when examined in light of tax return data back to 1950.

The story the numbers tell is one of a strengthening economic base with income growing fastest at the bottom until, in 1981, we made an abrupt change in tax and economic policy. Since then the base has fared poorly while huge economic gains piled up at the very top, along with much lower tax burdens.

But they do give us a stunning picture of what’s happening at the very top of the compensation ladder in America.

The number of Americans making $50 million or more, the top income category in the data, fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 last year. But that’s only part of the story.

The average wage in this top category increased from $91.2 million in 2008 to an astonishing $518.8 million in 2009. That’s nearly $10 million in weekly pay!

You read that right. In the Great Recession year of 2009 (officially just the first half of the year), the average pay of the very highest-income Americans was more than five times their average wages and bonuses in 2008. And even though their numbers shrank by 43 percent, this group’s total compensation was 3.2 times larger in 2009 than in 2008, accounting for 0.6 percent of all pay. These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.

Back in 1994, when the top category the government reported on was $20 million or more of compensation, only 25 people were in that rarefied atmosphere, and their average earnings came to just under $45 million in 2009 dollars.

What does this all mean? It is the latest, and in this case quite dramatic, evidence that our economic policies in Washington are undermining the nation as a whole.We have created a tax system that changes continually as politicians manipulate it to extract campaign donations. We have enabled ‘‘free trade’’ that is nothing of the sort, but rather tax-subsidized mechanisms that encourage American manufacturers to close their domestic factories, fire workers, and then use cheap labor in China for products they send right back to the United States. This has created enormous downward pressure on wages, and not just for factory workers.

Combined with government policies that have reduced the share of private-sector workers in unions by more than two-thirds — while our competitors in Canada, Europe, and Japan continue to have highly unionized workforces — the net effect has been disastrous for the vast majority of American workers. And of course, less money earned from labor translates into less money to finance the United States of America.”

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8a175a1d-4343-4bcf-86bf-1d8a8bf039b7

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Much more information in that link. It would be good for everyone to read it so they might have a better grasp of what is causing our country’s demise.

[CA renter]

While people repeat the talking points aimed at them by the MSM, here is the real source of our problems (and it has nothing to do with unions):

“Every 34th wage earner in America in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a single dollar, new data from the Social Security Administration show. Total wages, median wages, and average wages all declined, but at the very top, salaries grew more than fivefold.

Not a single news organization reported this data when it was released October 15, searches of Google and the Nexis databases show. Nor did any blog, so the citizen journalists and professional economists did no better than the newsroom pros in reporting this basic information about our economy.

The new data hold important lessons for economic growth and tax policy and take on added meaning when examined in light of tax return data back to 1950.

The story the numbers tell is one of a strengthening economic base with income growing fastest at the bottom until, in 1981, we made an abrupt change in tax and economic policy. Since then the base has fared poorly while huge economic gains piled up at the very top, along with much lower tax burdens.

But they do give us a stunning picture of what’s happening at the very top of the compensation ladder in America.

The number of Americans making $50 million or more, the top income category in the data, fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 last year. But that’s only part of the story.

The average wage in this top category increased from $91.2 million in 2008 to an astonishing $518.8 million in 2009. That’s nearly $10 million in weekly pay!

You read that right. In the Great Recession year of 2009 (officially just the first half of the year), the average pay of the very highest-income Americans was more than five times their average wages and bonuses in 2008. And even though their numbers shrank by 43 percent, this group’s total compensation was 3.2 times larger in 2009 than in 2008, accounting for 0.6 percent of all pay. These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.

Back in 1994, when the top category the government reported on was $20 million or more of compensation, only 25 people were in that rarefied atmosphere, and their average earnings came to just under $45 million in 2009 dollars.

What does this all mean? It is the latest, and in this case quite dramatic, evidence that our economic policies in Washington are undermining the nation as a whole.We have created a tax system that changes continually as politicians manipulate it to extract campaign donations. We have enabled ‘‘free trade’’ that is nothing of the sort, but rather tax-subsidized mechanisms that encourage American manufacturers to close their domestic factories, fire workers, and then use cheap labor in China for products they send right back to the United States. This has created enormous downward pressure on wages, and not just for factory workers.

Combined with government policies that have reduced the share of private-sector workers in unions by more than two-thirds — while our competitors in Canada, Europe, and Japan continue to have highly unionized workforces — the net effect has been disastrous for the vast majority of American workers. And of course, less money earned from labor translates into less money to finance the United States of America.”

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8a175a1d-4343-4bcf-86bf-1d8a8bf039b7

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Much more information in that link. It would be good for everyone to read it so they might have a better grasp of what is causing our country’s demise.

[CA renter]

While people repeat the talking points aimed at them by the MSM, here is the real source of our problems (and it has nothing to do with unions):

“Every 34th wage earner in America in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a single dollar, new data from the Social Security Administration show. Total wages, median wages, and average wages all declined, but at the very top, salaries grew more than fivefold.

Not a single news organization reported this data when it was released October 15, searches of Google and the Nexis databases show. Nor did any blog, so the citizen journalists and professional economists did no better than the newsroom pros in reporting this basic information about our economy.

The new data hold important lessons for economic growth and tax policy and take on added meaning when examined in light of tax return data back to 1950.

The story the numbers tell is one of a strengthening economic base with income growing fastest at the bottom until, in 1981, we made an abrupt change in tax and economic policy. Since then the base has fared poorly while huge economic gains piled up at the very top, along with much lower tax burdens.

But they do give us a stunning picture of what’s happening at the very top of the compensation ladder in America.

The number of Americans making $50 million or more, the top income category in the data, fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 last year. But that’s only part of the story.

The average wage in this top category increased from $91.2 million in 2008 to an astonishing $518.8 million in 2009. That’s nearly $10 million in weekly pay!

You read that right. In the Great Recession year of 2009 (officially just the first half of the year), the average pay of the very highest-income Americans was more than five times their average wages and bonuses in 2008. And even though their numbers shrank by 43 percent, this group’s total compensation was 3.2 times larger in 2009 than in 2008, accounting for 0.6 percent of all pay. These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.

Back in 1994, when the top category the government reported on was $20 million or more of compensation, only 25 people were in that rarefied atmosphere, and their average earnings came to just under $45 million in 2009 dollars.

What does this all mean? It is the latest, and in this case quite dramatic, evidence that our economic policies in Washington are undermining the nation as a whole.We have created a tax system that changes continually as politicians manipulate it to extract campaign donations. We have enabled ‘‘free trade’’ that is nothing of the sort, but rather tax-subsidized mechanisms that encourage American manufacturers to close their domestic factories, fire workers, and then use cheap labor in China for products they send right back to the United States. This has created enormous downward pressure on wages, and not just for factory workers.

Combined with government policies that have reduced the share of private-sector workers in unions by more than two-thirds — while our competitors in Canada, Europe, and Japan continue to have highly unionized workforces — the net effect has been disastrous for the vast majority of American workers. And of course, less money earned from labor translates into less money to finance the United States of America.”

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8a175a1d-4343-4bcf-86bf-1d8a8bf039b7

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Much more information in that link. It would be good for everyone to read it so they might have a better grasp of what is causing our country’s demise.

[CA renter]

While people repeat the talking points aimed at them by the MSM, here is the real source of our problems (and it has nothing to do with unions):

“Every 34th wage earner in America in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a single dollar, new data from the Social Security Administration show. Total wages, median wages, and average wages all declined, but at the very top, salaries grew more than fivefold.

Not a single news organization reported this data when it was released October 15, searches of Google and the Nexis databases show. Nor did any blog, so the citizen journalists and professional economists did no better than the newsroom pros in reporting this basic information about our economy.

The new data hold important lessons for economic growth and tax policy and take on added meaning when examined in light of tax return data back to 1950.

The story the numbers tell is one of a strengthening economic base with income growing fastest at the bottom until, in 1981, we made an abrupt change in tax and economic policy. Since then the base has fared poorly while huge economic gains piled up at the very top, along with much lower tax burdens.

But they do give us a stunning picture of what’s happening at the very top of the compensation ladder in America.

The number of Americans making $50 million or more, the top income category in the data, fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 last year. But that’s only part of the story.

The average wage in this top category increased from $91.2 million in 2008 to an astonishing $518.8 million in 2009. That’s nearly $10 million in weekly pay!

You read that right. In the Great Recession year of 2009 (officially just the first half of the year), the average pay of the very highest-income Americans was more than five times their average wages and bonuses in 2008. And even though their numbers shrank by 43 percent, this group’s total compensation was 3.2 times larger in 2009 than in 2008, accounting for 0.6 percent of all pay. These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.

Back in 1994, when the top category the government reported on was $20 million or more of compensation, only 25 people were in that rarefied atmosphere, and their average earnings came to just under $45 million in 2009 dollars.

What does this all mean? It is the latest, and in this case quite dramatic, evidence that our economic policies in Washington are undermining the nation as a whole.We have created a tax system that changes continually as politicians manipulate it to extract campaign donations. We have enabled ‘‘free trade’’ that is nothing of the sort, but rather tax-subsidized mechanisms that encourage American manufacturers to close their domestic factories, fire workers, and then use cheap labor in China for products they send right back to the United States. This has created enormous downward pressure on wages, and not just for factory workers.

Combined with government policies that have reduced the share of private-sector workers in unions by more than two-thirds — while our competitors in Canada, Europe, and Japan continue to have highly unionized workforces — the net effect has been disastrous for the vast majority of American workers. And of course, less money earned from labor translates into less money to finance the United States of America.”

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8a175a1d-4343-4bcf-86bf-1d8a8bf039b7

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Much more information in that link. It would be good for everyone to read it so they might have a better grasp of what is causing our country’s demise.

[paramount]

[quote=EmilyHicks]We will work hard to serve our masters, the Public Employees and their powerful unions.

But wait, once income tax and sales tax reach 15% there will be any private workers left in this state to finance this montrosity? This is not going to work is it?

And don’t tell me sales tax won’t reach 15%. It was 5% and now it is on the verge of going to 9.25%. Nothing is going to stop this, as the public employee unions get more powerful and putting their puppets into office they will be more and more arrogant.

I have started buying almost every thing I can on Amazon. I even bought a vacuum cleaner on Amazon last week. I pay no sales tax to California. I am a PRIME member of Amazon where you pay $79 a year and get unlimited free shipping. So far this year, I bought for myself and my parents, sister, and brothers over $9K on Amazon. Everything from HDTV, blueray player to diapers. I rather see UPS get my money.

[quote=paramount]If Jerry Brown gets elected those of us in the private sector in California really are doomed.[/quote][/quote]

The other one is prop 25, what a disaster that will be if it passes (for those who work in the private sector).

The power and shrewdness of state employee unions in California is truly scary.

[paramount]

[quote=EmilyHicks]We will work hard to serve our masters, the Public Employees and their powerful unions.

But wait, once income tax and sales tax reach 15% there will be any private workers left in this state to finance this montrosity? This is not going to work is it?

And don’t tell me sales tax won’t reach 15%. It was 5% and now it is on the verge of going to 9.25%. Nothing is going to stop this, as the public employee unions get more powerful and putting their puppets into office they will be more and more arrogant.

I have started buying almost every thing I can on Amazon. I even bought a vacuum cleaner on Amazon last week. I pay no sales tax to California. I am a PRIME member of Amazon where you pay $79 a year and get unlimited free shipping. So far this year, I bought for myself and my parents, sister, and brothers over $9K on Amazon. Everything from HDTV, blueray player to diapers. I rather see UPS get my money.

[quote=paramount]If Jerry Brown gets elected those of us in the private sector in California really are doomed.[/quote][/quote]

The other one is prop 25, what a disaster that will be if it passes (for those who work in the private sector).

The power and shrewdness of state employee unions in California is truly scary.

[paramount]

[quote=EmilyHicks]We will work hard to serve our masters, the Public Employees and their powerful unions.

But wait, once income tax and sales tax reach 15% there will be any private workers left in this state to finance this montrosity? This is not going to work is it?

And don’t tell me sales tax won’t reach 15%. It was 5% and now it is on the verge of going to 9.25%. Nothing is going to stop this, as the public employee unions get more powerful and putting their puppets into office they will be more and more arrogant.

I have started buying almost every thing I can on Amazon. I even bought a vacuum cleaner on Amazon last week. I pay no sales tax to California. I am a PRIME member of Amazon where you pay $79 a year and get unlimited free shipping. So far this year, I bought for myself and my parents, sister, and brothers over $9K on Amazon. Everything from HDTV, blueray player to diapers. I rather see UPS get my money.

[quote=paramount]If Jerry Brown gets elected those of us in the private sector in California really are doomed.[/quote][/quote]

The other one is prop 25, what a disaster that will be if it passes (for those who work in the private sector).

The power and shrewdness of state employee unions in California is truly scary.

[paramount]

[quote=EmilyHicks]We will work hard to serve our masters, the Public Employees and their powerful unions.

But wait, once income tax and sales tax reach 15% there will be any private workers left in this state to finance this montrosity? This is not going to work is it?

And don’t tell me sales tax won’t reach 15%. It was 5% and now it is on the verge of going to 9.25%. Nothing is going to stop this, as the public employee unions get more powerful and putting their puppets into office they will be more and more arrogant.

I have started buying almost every thing I can on Amazon. I even bought a vacuum cleaner on Amazon last week. I pay no sales tax to California. I am a PRIME member of Amazon where you pay $79 a year and get unlimited free shipping. So far this year, I bought for myself and my parents, sister, and brothers over $9K on Amazon. Everything from HDTV, blueray player to diapers. I rather see UPS get my money.

[quote=paramount]If Jerry Brown gets elected those of us in the private sector in California really are doomed.[/quote][/quote]

The other one is prop 25, what a disaster that will be if it passes (for those who work in the private sector).

The power and shrewdness of state employee unions in California is truly scary.

[paramount]

[quote=EmilyHicks]We will work hard to serve our masters, the Public Employees and their powerful unions.

But wait, once income tax and sales tax reach 15% there will be any private workers left in this state to finance this montrosity? This is not going to work is it?

And don’t tell me sales tax won’t reach 15%. It was 5% and now it is on the verge of going to 9.25%. Nothing is going to stop this, as the public employee unions get more powerful and putting their puppets into office they will be more and more arrogant.

I have started buying almost every thing I can on Amazon. I even bought a vacuum cleaner on Amazon last week. I pay no sales tax to California. I am a PRIME member of Amazon where you pay $79 a year and get unlimited free shipping. So far this year, I bought for myself and my parents, sister, and brothers over $9K on Amazon. Everything from HDTV, blueray player to diapers. I rather see UPS get my money.

[quote=paramount]If Jerry Brown gets elected those of us in the private sector in California really are doomed.[/quote][/quote]

The other one is prop 25, what a disaster that will be if it passes (for those who work in the private sector).

The power and shrewdness of state employee unions in California is truly scary.

[faterikcartman]

If the Dems stay in charge I would watch the next two years for a federal VAT — then watch us cry about state and local sales taxes!

By the way, I vaguely remember going to 6% in 1974; like most such increases I’m pretty sure it was promised to be temporary. Yeah…

[faterikcartman]

If the Dems stay in charge I would watch the next two years for a federal VAT — then watch us cry about state and local sales taxes!

By the way, I vaguely remember going to 6% in 1974; like most such increases I’m pretty sure it was promised to be temporary. Yeah…

[faterikcartman]

If the Dems stay in charge I would watch the next two years for a federal VAT — then watch us cry about state and local sales taxes!

By the way, I vaguely remember going to 6% in 1974; like most such increases I’m pretty sure it was promised to be temporary. Yeah…

[faterikcartman]

If the Dems stay in charge I would watch the next two years for a federal VAT — then watch us cry about state and local sales taxes!

By the way, I vaguely remember going to 6% in 1974; like most such increases I’m pretty sure it was promised to be temporary. Yeah…

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