OT: Public pay & benefits

[CA renter]

[quote=davelj][quote=jpinpb] It’s not an easy job or I’d imagine many of you would be out there doing it, making all the supposed money you think they make, pension and all the benefits that go along w/it. Reality is you have no interest, even w/all the money and everything you think they are getting.[/quote]

Strawman argument alert. Based on the quality of the hamburgers I sometimes eat I could argue that a lot of folks making $10/hour in the fast food industry are overpaid. This doesn’t mean I think it’s “easy” or that I should have any interest in doing that job. My willingness to do someone else’s job has NOTHING to do with whether someone’s overpaid or whether or not the job is “easy.” Zero. “Overpaid” is a supply-and-demand issue combined with budgetary constraints. Whether or not I’m willing to do the job is an opportunity cost issue. I’m betting that most Piggs would be taking a pay cut – some rather large – to work a public safety job, thus they have no interest (excluding the issue of whether or not they have any interest in the content of the job itself). But this has NOTHING to do with whether or not these folks are over- or under-paid.[/quote]

If they make more than public servants, I’m sure many people would be lining up to do their jobs, too, at a 20% discount. Are they seeing these pay cuts yet?

Bottom line, anyone who has not seen a pay cut these past few years is probably overpaid (others would do their jobs for significantly less). Whether or not that money coming out of my pocket is going to a public employer or a private employer doesn’t matter — I’m still overpaying. Why don’t *they* take a pay cut then, since they have such an issue with overcompensation?

And no, it’s not at all about the “free market.” As you know, people are essentially forced to use banks in order to conduct business these days. I don’t have a choice WRT overpaying their employees/executives. And let’s not forget the public money (TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS) being spent to prop them up and maintain their bonuses/compensation during this “Greatest Recession Since the Great Depression.”

Bottom line, we are ALL forced to pay for things we don’t like. If I had to choose between paying bankers or public servants, the choice would be easy — public servants actually enhance our quality of life while bankers suck the blood out of the productive economy.

[CA renter]

[quote=Aecetia]Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.[/quote]

Public schools have higher standards than private schools, and they take all the students that private schools can’t or won’t take: Special Ed, behavioral problems, poor/transient kids, etc.

Many private schools have testing requirements for admission which screens out all the below-average (or even average) kids. It’s kinda hard to fail when your average I.Q. is 110, and the parents are all rich and willing to pay good money for their child’s education — including tutoring, and any remediation done outside of the private school day.

You cannot compare private vs. public until you account for the socio-economic and intellectual disparities.

[CA renter]

[quote=Aecetia]Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.[/quote]

Public schools have higher standards than private schools, and they take all the students that private schools can’t or won’t take: Special Ed, behavioral problems, poor/transient kids, etc.

Many private schools have testing requirements for admission which screens out all the below-average (or even average) kids. It’s kinda hard to fail when your average I.Q. is 110, and the parents are all rich and willing to pay good money for their child’s education — including tutoring, and any remediation done outside of the private school day.

You cannot compare private vs. public until you account for the socio-economic and intellectual disparities.

[CA renter]

[quote=Aecetia]Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.[/quote]

Public schools have higher standards than private schools, and they take all the students that private schools can’t or won’t take: Special Ed, behavioral problems, poor/transient kids, etc.

Many private schools have testing requirements for admission which screens out all the below-average (or even average) kids. It’s kinda hard to fail when your average I.Q. is 110, and the parents are all rich and willing to pay good money for their child’s education — including tutoring, and any remediation done outside of the private school day.

You cannot compare private vs. public until you account for the socio-economic and intellectual disparities.

[CA renter]

[quote=Aecetia]Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.[/quote]

Public schools have higher standards than private schools, and they take all the students that private schools can’t or won’t take: Special Ed, behavioral problems, poor/transient kids, etc.

Many private schools have testing requirements for admission which screens out all the below-average (or even average) kids. It’s kinda hard to fail when your average I.Q. is 110, and the parents are all rich and willing to pay good money for their child’s education — including tutoring, and any remediation done outside of the private school day.

You cannot compare private vs. public until you account for the socio-economic and intellectual disparities.

[CA renter]

[quote=Aecetia]Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.[/quote]

Public schools have higher standards than private schools, and they take all the students that private schools can’t or won’t take: Special Ed, behavioral problems, poor/transient kids, etc.

Many private schools have testing requirements for admission which screens out all the below-average (or even average) kids. It’s kinda hard to fail when your average I.Q. is 110, and the parents are all rich and willing to pay good money for their child’s education — including tutoring, and any remediation done outside of the private school day.

You cannot compare private vs. public until you account for the socio-economic and intellectual disparities.

[Aecetia]

Not all parents with kids in private school are rich. I send my kid to private school and we make sacrifices to do it. No vacation and no extravagances. We do our own yard work and house work. We are investing in our son.

[Aecetia]

Not all parents with kids in private school are rich. I send my kid to private school and we make sacrifices to do it. No vacation and no extravagances. We do our own yard work and house work. We are investing in our son.

[Aecetia]

Not all parents with kids in private school are rich. I send my kid to private school and we make sacrifices to do it. No vacation and no extravagances. We do our own yard work and house work. We are investing in our son.

[Aecetia]

Not all parents with kids in private school are rich. I send my kid to private school and we make sacrifices to do it. No vacation and no extravagances. We do our own yard work and house work. We are investing in our son.

[Aecetia]

Not all parents with kids in private school are rich. I send my kid to private school and we make sacrifices to do it. No vacation and no extravagances. We do our own yard work and house work. We are investing in our son.

[jpinpb]

faterikcartman – I think a public sector employee certainly did have the ability to go out in the private sector to make money.

Many people were getting a real estate license and selling. I remember hearing how the amount of licenses issued had increased greatly in California during the bubble. Do you suppose this happened b/c there was money to be made?

Why do you think money wasn’t made in the bubble? Perhaps you didn’t hear the Giant Pool of Money. It is worth a listen.

They discuss the story of the bubble and crisis and one guy, Mike Gardner – man who got into the mortgage industry after getting hired away from his previous job as a bartender.

An area sales manager named Glenn at WMC Mortgage made 75 to 100k a MONTH. Over a million a year. I do not think these are exceptions. It was common.

I’m glad you brought up the military. I’m not sure what the income is for military, but they do have benefits, medical, dental, housing, food. And from what I understand, if you stay on for 20 years, you get a pension, also.

The military offers these incentives b/c otherwise they might have difficulty getting people to sign on. They offer to pay for education. Many people take advantange of that, as well

Some of the cops that I know had served in the military. They said the psych requirements were much lower in the military than SDPD.

Lastly, ever hear of Blackwater? They’re private and the mercenaries are making much more than our public military.

And yes, now that our unemployment numbers are so high, certainly more people turn to public service. And the list is long b/c right now the City does not have the money to hire anyone. During the bubble, the City had a hard time keeping positions filled – and that’s even w/the lure of benefits.

[jpinpb]

faterikcartman – I think a public sector employee certainly did have the ability to go out in the private sector to make money.

Many people were getting a real estate license and selling. I remember hearing how the amount of licenses issued had increased greatly in California during the bubble. Do you suppose this happened b/c there was money to be made?

Why do you think money wasn’t made in the bubble? Perhaps you didn’t hear the Giant Pool of Money. It is worth a listen.

They discuss the story of the bubble and crisis and one guy, Mike Gardner – man who got into the mortgage industry after getting hired away from his previous job as a bartender.

An area sales manager named Glenn at WMC Mortgage made 75 to 100k a MONTH. Over a million a year. I do not think these are exceptions. It was common.

I’m glad you brought up the military. I’m not sure what the income is for military, but they do have benefits, medical, dental, housing, food. And from what I understand, if you stay on for 20 years, you get a pension, also.

The military offers these incentives b/c otherwise they might have difficulty getting people to sign on. They offer to pay for education. Many people take advantange of that, as well

Some of the cops that I know had served in the military. They said the psych requirements were much lower in the military than SDPD.

Lastly, ever hear of Blackwater? They’re private and the mercenaries are making much more than our public military.

And yes, now that our unemployment numbers are so high, certainly more people turn to public service. And the list is long b/c right now the City does not have the money to hire anyone. During the bubble, the City had a hard time keeping positions filled – and that’s even w/the lure of benefits.

[jpinpb]

faterikcartman – I think a public sector employee certainly did have the ability to go out in the private sector to make money.

Many people were getting a real estate license and selling. I remember hearing how the amount of licenses issued had increased greatly in California during the bubble. Do you suppose this happened b/c there was money to be made?

Why do you think money wasn’t made in the bubble? Perhaps you didn’t hear the Giant Pool of Money. It is worth a listen.

They discuss the story of the bubble and crisis and one guy, Mike Gardner – man who got into the mortgage industry after getting hired away from his previous job as a bartender.

An area sales manager named Glenn at WMC Mortgage made 75 to 100k a MONTH. Over a million a year. I do not think these are exceptions. It was common.

I’m glad you brought up the military. I’m not sure what the income is for military, but they do have benefits, medical, dental, housing, food. And from what I understand, if you stay on for 20 years, you get a pension, also.

The military offers these incentives b/c otherwise they might have difficulty getting people to sign on. They offer to pay for education. Many people take advantange of that, as well

Some of the cops that I know had served in the military. They said the psych requirements were much lower in the military than SDPD.

Lastly, ever hear of Blackwater? They’re private and the mercenaries are making much more than our public military.

And yes, now that our unemployment numbers are so high, certainly more people turn to public service. And the list is long b/c right now the City does not have the money to hire anyone. During the bubble, the City had a hard time keeping positions filled – and that’s even w/the lure of benefits.

[jpinpb]

faterikcartman – I think a public sector employee certainly did have the ability to go out in the private sector to make money.

Many people were getting a real estate license and selling. I remember hearing how the amount of licenses issued had increased greatly in California during the bubble. Do you suppose this happened b/c there was money to be made?

Why do you think money wasn’t made in the bubble? Perhaps you didn’t hear the Giant Pool of Money. It is worth a listen.

They discuss the story of the bubble and crisis and one guy, Mike Gardner – man who got into the mortgage industry after getting hired away from his previous job as a bartender.

An area sales manager named Glenn at WMC Mortgage made 75 to 100k a MONTH. Over a million a year. I do not think these are exceptions. It was common.

I’m glad you brought up the military. I’m not sure what the income is for military, but they do have benefits, medical, dental, housing, food. And from what I understand, if you stay on for 20 years, you get a pension, also.

The military offers these incentives b/c otherwise they might have difficulty getting people to sign on. They offer to pay for education. Many people take advantange of that, as well

Some of the cops that I know had served in the military. They said the psych requirements were much lower in the military than SDPD.

Lastly, ever hear of Blackwater? They’re private and the mercenaries are making much more than our public military.

And yes, now that our unemployment numbers are so high, certainly more people turn to public service. And the list is long b/c right now the City does not have the money to hire anyone. During the bubble, the City had a hard time keeping positions filled – and that’s even w/the lure of benefits.

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