OT: Public pay & benefits

[faterikcartman]

Sorry, but I don’t buy a lot of your points jpinpb.

First, I don’t think zillions of people made money on the bubble because their salaries went up.

Second, I don’t think that public sector employees had the ability, en masse, to go out and make more in the public sector.

Moreover, I reject the assumption that there are not people out there who would, and are capable, of working as a cop for less. If this were true, we would not be able to fill the ranks of the military.

With waiting lists for these jobs I know we’re not anywhere near to testing the limits of how low compensation could go.

I personally know quite people in law enforcement. Moreover, I know people going through the application and hiring process and have done the same myself.

Departments often put candidates through the process to determine who is qualified and just because you’re qualified does not mean you’re off to the police academy. Rather, you’re put in a queue, on a list, until there is an opening. The fact is there are many more QUALIFIED people willing to do these jobs than there are jobs available. We can know for certain that we’re paying too much up until the point we can’t fill the positions in a timely manner.

Unions in many industries and fields have ruined things for their constituents as they’ve struck and extracted so many wages that either the jobs go overseas or the employers collapses entirely. I’ve found that many of these people have a very, very, unrealistic idea of what they are worth outside their union job.

Lastly, I would like to clarify that I don’t blame police, fire, and other government employees for the largess they enjoy. I blame the politicians who bought their votes with unnecessary compensation packages, the bureaucrats they hired to put these packages together and make other employment decisions, and the people who kept voting them into office.

[meadandale]

[quote=davelj]Based on the quality of the hamburgers I sometimes eat I could argue that a lot of folks making $10/hour in the fast food industry are overpaid.[/quote]

Offtopic: It’s funny because Hell’s Kitchen is one of the shows I watch. I’m constantly amazed at how incompetent these idiots are on this show and supposedly all of the are working chefs (in some capacity).

I worked part-time at a Chart House in high school and college as a line cook. If I burnt or threw away even 1/100th of the food they did in one show I’d get fired on the spot. That’s profit going into the trash.

I couldn’t believe the imbecile the other night who tried to cook off 2 dozen filet mignon before the orders were even up or the idiot who had a mound of over/under done scallops left over midway through dinner.

[meadandale]

[quote=davelj]Based on the quality of the hamburgers I sometimes eat I could argue that a lot of folks making $10/hour in the fast food industry are overpaid.[/quote]

Offtopic: It’s funny because Hell’s Kitchen is one of the shows I watch. I’m constantly amazed at how incompetent these idiots are on this show and supposedly all of the are working chefs (in some capacity).

I worked part-time at a Chart House in high school and college as a line cook. If I burnt or threw away even 1/100th of the food they did in one show I’d get fired on the spot. That’s profit going into the trash.

I couldn’t believe the imbecile the other night who tried to cook off 2 dozen filet mignon before the orders were even up or the idiot who had a mound of over/under done scallops left over midway through dinner.

[meadandale]

[quote=davelj]Based on the quality of the hamburgers I sometimes eat I could argue that a lot of folks making $10/hour in the fast food industry are overpaid.[/quote]

Offtopic: It’s funny because Hell’s Kitchen is one of the shows I watch. I’m constantly amazed at how incompetent these idiots are on this show and supposedly all of the are working chefs (in some capacity).

I worked part-time at a Chart House in high school and college as a line cook. If I burnt or threw away even 1/100th of the food they did in one show I’d get fired on the spot. That’s profit going into the trash.

I couldn’t believe the imbecile the other night who tried to cook off 2 dozen filet mignon before the orders were even up or the idiot who had a mound of over/under done scallops left over midway through dinner.

[meadandale]

[quote=davelj]Based on the quality of the hamburgers I sometimes eat I could argue that a lot of folks making $10/hour in the fast food industry are overpaid.[/quote]

Offtopic: It’s funny because Hell’s Kitchen is one of the shows I watch. I’m constantly amazed at how incompetent these idiots are on this show and supposedly all of the are working chefs (in some capacity).

I worked part-time at a Chart House in high school and college as a line cook. If I burnt or threw away even 1/100th of the food they did in one show I’d get fired on the spot. That’s profit going into the trash.

I couldn’t believe the imbecile the other night who tried to cook off 2 dozen filet mignon before the orders were even up or the idiot who had a mound of over/under done scallops left over midway through dinner.

[meadandale]

[quote=davelj]Based on the quality of the hamburgers I sometimes eat I could argue that a lot of folks making $10/hour in the fast food industry are overpaid.[/quote]

Offtopic: It’s funny because Hell’s Kitchen is one of the shows I watch. I’m constantly amazed at how incompetent these idiots are on this show and supposedly all of the are working chefs (in some capacity).

I worked part-time at a Chart House in high school and college as a line cook. If I burnt or threw away even 1/100th of the food they did in one show I’d get fired on the spot. That’s profit going into the trash.

I couldn’t believe the imbecile the other night who tried to cook off 2 dozen filet mignon before the orders were even up or the idiot who had a mound of over/under done scallops left over midway through dinner.

[Aecetia]

Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.

[Aecetia]

Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.

[Aecetia]

Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.

[Aecetia]

Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.

[Aecetia]

Actually, if we could put our tax money towards the private school of our choice (voucher), we would get a better product and the price would go down. Public schools are a total waste of money and are turning out poorly educated people. Watch Jay (Leno) walking for examples. I am sure he picks the worst to showcase, but for God’s sake, some of the people he interviews are supposed to be teachers. All the bond money has not improved the infrastructure that much either.

As for GM and the banks, they should have been allowed to fail. I guess if Congress did not have so much invested in them, they would have let them fail. Drain the swamp; all of it.

[jstoesz]

[quote]Edit: Another good example of privatization is private schools. But I don’t find that they are cheaper than public schools.[/quote]

Public schools spend approximately 10k per pupil on average. That is pretty comparable to private schools. If anything, many private schools are cheaper. And I have a strong feeling the aggregate quality of education in private schools is much much higher.

For the record I think MANY (certainly not all) teachers are even more overpaid than firemen, but that is for another topic I suppose.

[jstoesz]

[quote]Edit: Another good example of privatization is private schools. But I don’t find that they are cheaper than public schools.[/quote]

Public schools spend approximately 10k per pupil on average. That is pretty comparable to private schools. If anything, many private schools are cheaper. And I have a strong feeling the aggregate quality of education in private schools is much much higher.

For the record I think MANY (certainly not all) teachers are even more overpaid than firemen, but that is for another topic I suppose.

[jstoesz]

[quote]Edit: Another good example of privatization is private schools. But I don’t find that they are cheaper than public schools.[/quote]

Public schools spend approximately 10k per pupil on average. That is pretty comparable to private schools. If anything, many private schools are cheaper. And I have a strong feeling the aggregate quality of education in private schools is much much higher.

For the record I think MANY (certainly not all) teachers are even more overpaid than firemen, but that is for another topic I suppose.

[jstoesz]

[quote]Edit: Another good example of privatization is private schools. But I don’t find that they are cheaper than public schools.[/quote]

Public schools spend approximately 10k per pupil on average. That is pretty comparable to private schools. If anything, many private schools are cheaper. And I have a strong feeling the aggregate quality of education in private schools is much much higher.

For the record I think MANY (certainly not all) teachers are even more overpaid than firemen, but that is for another topic I suppose.

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