OT: Public pay & benefits

[Ricechex]

[quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.

/quote]

Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?

No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.

[joec]

Out of curiosity, how many of the people who support these huge pensions/overtime/fire fighting pay/benefits/retirement packages have family or close friends or are directly benefiting from these policies? This includes any city employee, etc that has similar benefit structures.

Be honest now.

That said, I think a lot of this has to do with simply getting what you feel is yours or something you are benefiting from. Sorta like how as long as a some policy doesn’t affect you or your family, it’s ok with you as long as you aren’t paying for it.

What I really find annoying is the iron clad nature of a lot of these benefits/pensions and how no one can change it. If any business or household is ran this way, they’d be out of business or on the streets.

In a way, I am hoping this economic slog drags out so more and more of these abuses are brought to light (and yes, it is affecting me). If the economy 180ed and was humming again, no one would care about this stuff like the stock market bubbles or the housing bubble. Everyone was making money.

Sorta like how it’s reported how cities keep positions open and when they have to lay off 1000, 950 were open positions which were kept open and they end up laying off 50. Have this drag out for 5/10 years and more of it will come to light (as they are coming to light now).

I also wonder what if there is simply no one to tax anymore? What happens then? Is something like this happening in Vallejo now?

[joec]

Out of curiosity, how many of the people who support these huge pensions/overtime/fire fighting pay/benefits/retirement packages have family or close friends or are directly benefiting from these policies? This includes any city employee, etc that has similar benefit structures.

Be honest now.

That said, I think a lot of this has to do with simply getting what you feel is yours or something you are benefiting from. Sorta like how as long as a some policy doesn’t affect you or your family, it’s ok with you as long as you aren’t paying for it.

What I really find annoying is the iron clad nature of a lot of these benefits/pensions and how no one can change it. If any business or household is ran this way, they’d be out of business or on the streets.

In a way, I am hoping this economic slog drags out so more and more of these abuses are brought to light (and yes, it is affecting me). If the economy 180ed and was humming again, no one would care about this stuff like the stock market bubbles or the housing bubble. Everyone was making money.

Sorta like how it’s reported how cities keep positions open and when they have to lay off 1000, 950 were open positions which were kept open and they end up laying off 50. Have this drag out for 5/10 years and more of it will come to light (as they are coming to light now).

I also wonder what if there is simply no one to tax anymore? What happens then? Is something like this happening in Vallejo now?

[joec]

Out of curiosity, how many of the people who support these huge pensions/overtime/fire fighting pay/benefits/retirement packages have family or close friends or are directly benefiting from these policies? This includes any city employee, etc that has similar benefit structures.

Be honest now.

That said, I think a lot of this has to do with simply getting what you feel is yours or something you are benefiting from. Sorta like how as long as a some policy doesn’t affect you or your family, it’s ok with you as long as you aren’t paying for it.

What I really find annoying is the iron clad nature of a lot of these benefits/pensions and how no one can change it. If any business or household is ran this way, they’d be out of business or on the streets.

In a way, I am hoping this economic slog drags out so more and more of these abuses are brought to light (and yes, it is affecting me). If the economy 180ed and was humming again, no one would care about this stuff like the stock market bubbles or the housing bubble. Everyone was making money.

Sorta like how it’s reported how cities keep positions open and when they have to lay off 1000, 950 were open positions which were kept open and they end up laying off 50. Have this drag out for 5/10 years and more of it will come to light (as they are coming to light now).

I also wonder what if there is simply no one to tax anymore? What happens then? Is something like this happening in Vallejo now?

[joec]

Out of curiosity, how many of the people who support these huge pensions/overtime/fire fighting pay/benefits/retirement packages have family or close friends or are directly benefiting from these policies? This includes any city employee, etc that has similar benefit structures.

Be honest now.

That said, I think a lot of this has to do with simply getting what you feel is yours or something you are benefiting from. Sorta like how as long as a some policy doesn’t affect you or your family, it’s ok with you as long as you aren’t paying for it.

What I really find annoying is the iron clad nature of a lot of these benefits/pensions and how no one can change it. If any business or household is ran this way, they’d be out of business or on the streets.

In a way, I am hoping this economic slog drags out so more and more of these abuses are brought to light (and yes, it is affecting me). If the economy 180ed and was humming again, no one would care about this stuff like the stock market bubbles or the housing bubble. Everyone was making money.

Sorta like how it’s reported how cities keep positions open and when they have to lay off 1000, 950 were open positions which were kept open and they end up laying off 50. Have this drag out for 5/10 years and more of it will come to light (as they are coming to light now).

I also wonder what if there is simply no one to tax anymore? What happens then? Is something like this happening in Vallejo now?

[joec]

Out of curiosity, how many of the people who support these huge pensions/overtime/fire fighting pay/benefits/retirement packages have family or close friends or are directly benefiting from these policies? This includes any city employee, etc that has similar benefit structures.

Be honest now.

That said, I think a lot of this has to do with simply getting what you feel is yours or something you are benefiting from. Sorta like how as long as a some policy doesn’t affect you or your family, it’s ok with you as long as you aren’t paying for it.

What I really find annoying is the iron clad nature of a lot of these benefits/pensions and how no one can change it. If any business or household is ran this way, they’d be out of business or on the streets.

In a way, I am hoping this economic slog drags out so more and more of these abuses are brought to light (and yes, it is affecting me). If the economy 180ed and was humming again, no one would care about this stuff like the stock market bubbles or the housing bubble. Everyone was making money.

Sorta like how it’s reported how cities keep positions open and when they have to lay off 1000, 950 were open positions which were kept open and they end up laying off 50. Have this drag out for 5/10 years and more of it will come to light (as they are coming to light now).

I also wonder what if there is simply no one to tax anymore? What happens then? Is something like this happening in Vallejo now?

[Ricechex]

Focusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.

It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.

It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.

A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]

[Ricechex]

Focusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.

It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.

It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.

A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]

[Ricechex]

Focusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.

It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.

It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.

A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]

[Ricechex]

Focusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.

It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.

It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.

A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]

[Ricechex]

Focusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.

It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.

It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.

A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thank you. I dont want privatization of public services nor do I beleive the private sector would do a better job, I just want more transparency and fiscal responsibility there. Its fascinating to me how some people want such a high level of fiscal responsibility and transparency until it hits home. They resort to the same tactics they attack by comparing it to other problems. I hate to state the obvious but:

WRONG + WRONG still does not = RIGHT[/quote]

I didn’t see anybody here or on any other related threads say they were against transparency or fiscal responsibility. Could you post a link to the comment, please?

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thank you. I dont want privatization of public services nor do I beleive the private sector would do a better job, I just want more transparency and fiscal responsibility there. Its fascinating to me how some people want such a high level of fiscal responsibility and transparency until it hits home. They resort to the same tactics they attack by comparing it to other problems. I hate to state the obvious but:

WRONG + WRONG still does not = RIGHT[/quote]

I didn’t see anybody here or on any other related threads say they were against transparency or fiscal responsibility. Could you post a link to the comment, please?

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thank you. I dont want privatization of public services nor do I beleive the private sector would do a better job, I just want more transparency and fiscal responsibility there. Its fascinating to me how some people want such a high level of fiscal responsibility and transparency until it hits home. They resort to the same tactics they attack by comparing it to other problems. I hate to state the obvious but:

WRONG + WRONG still does not = RIGHT[/quote]

I didn’t see anybody here or on any other related threads say they were against transparency or fiscal responsibility. Could you post a link to the comment, please?

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thank you. I dont want privatization of public services nor do I beleive the private sector would do a better job, I just want more transparency and fiscal responsibility there. Its fascinating to me how some people want such a high level of fiscal responsibility and transparency until it hits home. They resort to the same tactics they attack by comparing it to other problems. I hate to state the obvious but:

WRONG + WRONG still does not = RIGHT[/quote]

I didn’t see anybody here or on any other related threads say they were against transparency or fiscal responsibility. Could you post a link to the comment, please?

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