OT: Public pay & benefits

[sdrealtor]

Football players are overpaid in spite of the fact that those that actually get paid for doing so are an infintismally small percentage of the population, the avg career is about 3 years, they are virtually guaranteed to be permanently disabled in some way and they get virtually no benefits upon retirement. The problem is public servants have virtually guaranteed lifetime employment and benefits at wages that dont seem communsurate with their work relative to other occupations. No one i saying they should be paid $10/hour but mid 6 figure incomes are well above what most folks in the private sector earn with just as tough jobs. While I regret none of the decisions I made in life, if I could step into a time machine and go back to the day I graduated knowing what I know today, while I defintely wouldnt want to be a cop I certainly wouldnt rule out being a fireman.

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….

It’s not about rep or democrats. Or for that matter joe’s and banks. Everyone’s trying to eat someone else’s cake.

Pensions, executive bonuses, squatters, bailouts, unions,etc. The entire country is in this “me first” mentality….Kinda like how China is (survival of the fitest mentality).

Some of you older generation folks are lucky. You probably won’t see the shit hits the fan…I’m not so sure I’ll be so lucky….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….

It’s not about rep or democrats. Or for that matter joe’s and banks. Everyone’s trying to eat someone else’s cake.

Pensions, executive bonuses, squatters, bailouts, unions,etc. The entire country is in this “me first” mentality….Kinda like how China is (survival of the fitest mentality).

Some of you older generation folks are lucky. You probably won’t see the shit hits the fan…I’m not so sure I’ll be so lucky….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….

It’s not about rep or democrats. Or for that matter joe’s and banks. Everyone’s trying to eat someone else’s cake.

Pensions, executive bonuses, squatters, bailouts, unions,etc. The entire country is in this “me first” mentality….Kinda like how China is (survival of the fitest mentality).

Some of you older generation folks are lucky. You probably won’t see the shit hits the fan…I’m not so sure I’ll be so lucky….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….

It’s not about rep or democrats. Or for that matter joe’s and banks. Everyone’s trying to eat someone else’s cake.

Pensions, executive bonuses, squatters, bailouts, unions,etc. The entire country is in this “me first” mentality….Kinda like how China is (survival of the fitest mentality).

Some of you older generation folks are lucky. You probably won’t see the shit hits the fan…I’m not so sure I’ll be so lucky….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….

It’s not about rep or democrats. Or for that matter joe’s and banks. Everyone’s trying to eat someone else’s cake.

Pensions, executive bonuses, squatters, bailouts, unions,etc. The entire country is in this “me first” mentality….Kinda like how China is (survival of the fitest mentality).

Some of you older generation folks are lucky. You probably won’t see the shit hits the fan…I’m not so sure I’ll be so lucky….

[CA renter]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.[/quote]

There’s one problem. The last time I called 911 after being behind someone that jack-knifed his corolla, it took me 15 minutes before someone at the other end picked up….

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.[/quote]

There’s one problem. The last time I called 911 after being behind someone that jack-knifed his corolla, it took me 15 minutes before someone at the other end picked up….

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.[/quote]

There’s one problem. The last time I called 911 after being behind someone that jack-knifed his corolla, it took me 15 minutes before someone at the other end picked up….

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.[/quote]

Heh XE anyone?

you know, i just wonder if it would be possible to run a for profit fire dept.

I don’t know, why is it that I feel this country is so screwed up in so many ways. i mean I don’t hate this country or anything, and it’s a great country. But we definitely got some serious issues. Everyday I wake up, it seems like everyone’s just trying to game the system. It’s pretty depressing, imho….[/quote]

Sure, but then you’d have a whole lot of whiners like that guy whose house burned down in Tennessee.

See, that’s the whole problem. People are trying to look at this as they would a for-profit industry, but the two couldn’t be further apart.

The benefits received by having competent, well-trained public safety personnel is not easily quantifiable on an individual level. You’ll never get people who are willing to pay privately (and still leave room for the corporate profits!) because *individual people* are not deriving a direct benefit, unless they use these emergency services personally.

It’s socieity, as a whole, that benefits because having competent law enforcement/safety personnel establishes the framework for a social/civil infrastructure in which for-profit businesses can thrive. People can focus on productive enterprise because they don’t have to spend all their time and resources trying to simply survive in a lawless, corrupt, and chaotic world.

The value is knowing that when you call 911, or when there is an emergency of some sort, the most qualified people will be responding to your call — and very quickly, I might add, which is only possible when you have a well-established network/system for public safety.[/quote]

There’s one problem. The last time I called 911 after being behind someone that jack-knifed his corolla, it took me 15 minutes before someone at the other end picked up….

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