OT: Public pay & benefits

[davelj]

[quote=jpinpb]Oh, there are many applicants that go down there thinking it’s going to be an easy way to make money. Then the widdle away at the so many applicants b/c they can’t pass the written or physical aspects of this “easy” job.

When did you go down to apply, dave, and how did you do? Did they call you back?

How many Piggs have gone down and applied? I’m tempted to start a poll to see how many have even attempted to apply at these competitive easy and high paying jobs.[/quote]

First of all, no one is saying these jobs are “easy,” so I’m not sure why you’re using quotes. But for whatever reason, lots of folks want these jobs. It takes all kinds, I suppose.

I personally know a police officer that’s been on the force for over 20 years who said, and I paraphrase, “There are so many QUALIFIED (my emphasis) folks for each position that it’s not easy to make hiring decisions.” Straight from the horse’s mouth. That’s my data point.

No, I’ve never applied for one of those positions. I have no interest in them and, frankly, the pay is insufficient for me from an opportunity cost standpoint. But clearly lots of folks feel differently.

Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…

[jpinpb]

[quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.

[jpinpb]

[quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.

[jpinpb]

[quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.

[jpinpb]

[quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.

[jpinpb]

[quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.

[CA renter]

[quote=davelj][quote=jpinpb]

Lastly, I have to say that I’m amazed at how little the Piggs here have respect for jobs that are pretty thankless that no one really wants to do but just want to complain about how much they make.
[/quote]

“No one really wants to do”? If they’re such thankless and horrible jobs then why, even in good economic times, are there so many applicants for each position? These are among the most competitive jobs out there. Enquiring minds want to know…[/quote]

Wrong, dave.

During the bubble years, fire and police departments had a very difficult time finding qualified recruits.

“As Los Angeles tries to add 1,000 officers in five years to the smallest big-city police department in the nation, it has found there haven’t been enough David Gameros to go around.

The LAPD and police departments around the country are engaged in an intense competition over an increasingly limited pool of suitable people interested in becoming cops.

Several factors have combined to leave police departments hard-pressed to fill their ranks. They include mass retirements by the baby boomer generation, a strong economy providing better-paying jobs in the private sector and a military that is bulked up and repeatedly extending the service commitments of soldiers who might otherwise become police officers, according to Jason Abend, executive director of the National Law Enforcement Recruiters Assn.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/02/local/me-recruit2

Like jp said, people have to pass rigorous physical, mental, and emotional/psychological tests, as well as pass the background checks. In addition to all this, many departments cannot afford to train basic recruits, so the *qualified* applicants will have had to pass fire/police academy (on their own dime and time) as well as paramedic school (an extra year’s worth of paramedic training), and departments look for people with some kind of military, paramedic, police, or firefighting experience, so volunteering (again, on your own dime and time) or working for low wages as a student firefighter, junior police officer, or private EMT/paramedic are also highly recommended.

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.

[CA renter]

[quote=davelj][quote=jpinpb]

Lastly, I have to say that I’m amazed at how little the Piggs here have respect for jobs that are pretty thankless that no one really wants to do but just want to complain about how much they make.
[/quote]

“No one really wants to do”? If they’re such thankless and horrible jobs then why, even in good economic times, are there so many applicants for each position? These are among the most competitive jobs out there. Enquiring minds want to know…[/quote]

Wrong, dave.

During the bubble years, fire and police departments had a very difficult time finding qualified recruits.

“As Los Angeles tries to add 1,000 officers in five years to the smallest big-city police department in the nation, it has found there haven’t been enough David Gameros to go around.

The LAPD and police departments around the country are engaged in an intense competition over an increasingly limited pool of suitable people interested in becoming cops.

Several factors have combined to leave police departments hard-pressed to fill their ranks. They include mass retirements by the baby boomer generation, a strong economy providing better-paying jobs in the private sector and a military that is bulked up and repeatedly extending the service commitments of soldiers who might otherwise become police officers, according to Jason Abend, executive director of the National Law Enforcement Recruiters Assn.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/02/local/me-recruit2

Like jp said, people have to pass rigorous physical, mental, and emotional/psychological tests, as well as pass the background checks. In addition to all this, many departments cannot afford to train basic recruits, so the *qualified* applicants will have had to pass fire/police academy (on their own dime and time) as well as paramedic school (an extra year’s worth of paramedic training), and departments look for people with some kind of military, paramedic, police, or firefighting experience, so volunteering (again, on your own dime and time) or working for low wages as a student firefighter, junior police officer, or private EMT/paramedic are also highly recommended.

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.

[CA renter]

[quote=davelj][quote=jpinpb]

Lastly, I have to say that I’m amazed at how little the Piggs here have respect for jobs that are pretty thankless that no one really wants to do but just want to complain about how much they make.
[/quote]

“No one really wants to do”? If they’re such thankless and horrible jobs then why, even in good economic times, are there so many applicants for each position? These are among the most competitive jobs out there. Enquiring minds want to know…[/quote]

Wrong, dave.

During the bubble years, fire and police departments had a very difficult time finding qualified recruits.

“As Los Angeles tries to add 1,000 officers in five years to the smallest big-city police department in the nation, it has found there haven’t been enough David Gameros to go around.

The LAPD and police departments around the country are engaged in an intense competition over an increasingly limited pool of suitable people interested in becoming cops.

Several factors have combined to leave police departments hard-pressed to fill their ranks. They include mass retirements by the baby boomer generation, a strong economy providing better-paying jobs in the private sector and a military that is bulked up and repeatedly extending the service commitments of soldiers who might otherwise become police officers, according to Jason Abend, executive director of the National Law Enforcement Recruiters Assn.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/02/local/me-recruit2

Like jp said, people have to pass rigorous physical, mental, and emotional/psychological tests, as well as pass the background checks. In addition to all this, many departments cannot afford to train basic recruits, so the *qualified* applicants will have had to pass fire/police academy (on their own dime and time) as well as paramedic school (an extra year’s worth of paramedic training), and departments look for people with some kind of military, paramedic, police, or firefighting experience, so volunteering (again, on your own dime and time) or working for low wages as a student firefighter, junior police officer, or private EMT/paramedic are also highly recommended.

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.

[CA renter]

[quote=davelj][quote=jpinpb]

Lastly, I have to say that I’m amazed at how little the Piggs here have respect for jobs that are pretty thankless that no one really wants to do but just want to complain about how much they make.
[/quote]

“No one really wants to do”? If they’re such thankless and horrible jobs then why, even in good economic times, are there so many applicants for each position? These are among the most competitive jobs out there. Enquiring minds want to know…[/quote]

Wrong, dave.

During the bubble years, fire and police departments had a very difficult time finding qualified recruits.

“As Los Angeles tries to add 1,000 officers in five years to the smallest big-city police department in the nation, it has found there haven’t been enough David Gameros to go around.

The LAPD and police departments around the country are engaged in an intense competition over an increasingly limited pool of suitable people interested in becoming cops.

Several factors have combined to leave police departments hard-pressed to fill their ranks. They include mass retirements by the baby boomer generation, a strong economy providing better-paying jobs in the private sector and a military that is bulked up and repeatedly extending the service commitments of soldiers who might otherwise become police officers, according to Jason Abend, executive director of the National Law Enforcement Recruiters Assn.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/02/local/me-recruit2

Like jp said, people have to pass rigorous physical, mental, and emotional/psychological tests, as well as pass the background checks. In addition to all this, many departments cannot afford to train basic recruits, so the *qualified* applicants will have had to pass fire/police academy (on their own dime and time) as well as paramedic school (an extra year’s worth of paramedic training), and departments look for people with some kind of military, paramedic, police, or firefighting experience, so volunteering (again, on your own dime and time) or working for low wages as a student firefighter, junior police officer, or private EMT/paramedic are also highly recommended.

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.

[CA renter]

[quote=davelj][quote=jpinpb]

Lastly, I have to say that I’m amazed at how little the Piggs here have respect for jobs that are pretty thankless that no one really wants to do but just want to complain about how much they make.
[/quote]

“No one really wants to do”? If they’re such thankless and horrible jobs then why, even in good economic times, are there so many applicants for each position? These are among the most competitive jobs out there. Enquiring minds want to know…[/quote]

Wrong, dave.

During the bubble years, fire and police departments had a very difficult time finding qualified recruits.

“As Los Angeles tries to add 1,000 officers in five years to the smallest big-city police department in the nation, it has found there haven’t been enough David Gameros to go around.

The LAPD and police departments around the country are engaged in an intense competition over an increasingly limited pool of suitable people interested in becoming cops.

Several factors have combined to leave police departments hard-pressed to fill their ranks. They include mass retirements by the baby boomer generation, a strong economy providing better-paying jobs in the private sector and a military that is bulked up and repeatedly extending the service commitments of soldiers who might otherwise become police officers, according to Jason Abend, executive director of the National Law Enforcement Recruiters Assn.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/02/local/me-recruit2

Like jp said, people have to pass rigorous physical, mental, and emotional/psychological tests, as well as pass the background checks. In addition to all this, many departments cannot afford to train basic recruits, so the *qualified* applicants will have had to pass fire/police academy (on their own dime and time) as well as paramedic school (an extra year’s worth of paramedic training), and departments look for people with some kind of military, paramedic, police, or firefighting experience, so volunteering (again, on your own dime and time) or working for low wages as a student firefighter, junior police officer, or private EMT/paramedic are also highly recommended.

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.

[davelj]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.[/quote]

And yet the competition for these jobs is fierce. For whatever reason, lots and lots of folks love to be firemen, paramedics, police officers and teachers. I accept it for what it is.

[davelj]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.[/quote]

And yet the competition for these jobs is fierce. For whatever reason, lots and lots of folks love to be firemen, paramedics, police officers and teachers. I accept it for what it is.

[davelj]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.[/quote]

And yet the competition for these jobs is fierce. For whatever reason, lots and lots of folks love to be firemen, paramedics, police officers and teachers. I accept it for what it is.

[davelj]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=davelj]Have YOU applied for one of these jobs? Are YOU working one of these jobs? Enquiring minds and all…[/quote]

I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.[/quote]

And yet the competition for these jobs is fierce. For whatever reason, lots and lots of folks love to be firemen, paramedics, police officers and teachers. I accept it for what it is.

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