OT: Public pay & benefits

[paramount]

In some ways this thread is hopeless. Any sensible person knows the state of california gov’t – largely or completely controlled by public employee unions – is completely out of control and the excesses we read about time and again with public employees should be criminal. It’s all sickening.

Lifeguards, city managers, teachers, cops, firefighters…the list never ends.

Reality: Unless the state defaults this problem (extreme excesses in salaries, pensions, etc…) will NEVER get fixed. What happened in Wisconsin desperately needs to happen in California. Problem is, the union machinery is so powerful it won’t.

What will happen is gov’t employees (the takers) will continue robbing the makers (private sector). Meanwhile, most makers if they are lucky will be working till the day they die.

Gov’t workers on the other hand will be retiring at 50 with 90% of their salary (and we all know how that game is played as well).

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[jstoesz]

paramount,

I am reminded of a great quote.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

Alexis De Tocqueville, 1835

I think in CA we have reached a tipping point. I believe that the majority of californians whether directly (employed by the state or family employed by the state) or indirectly (goods or services paid for by people on the public dole weather) out numbers those with no ties to public money. So there is no hope for us. Those who do not receive benefits will leave while those who do will stay, increasing their majority.

Maybe this is too doom and gloom, but I am thinking it is true…certainly some cities, SF comes to mind, fit into this category.

[jstoesz]

paramount,

I am reminded of a great quote.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

Alexis De Tocqueville, 1835

I think in CA we have reached a tipping point. I believe that the majority of californians whether directly (employed by the state or family employed by the state) or indirectly (goods or services paid for by people on the public dole weather) out numbers those with no ties to public money. So there is no hope for us. Those who do not receive benefits will leave while those who do will stay, increasing their majority.

Maybe this is too doom and gloom, but I am thinking it is true…certainly some cities, SF comes to mind, fit into this category.

[jstoesz]

paramount,

I am reminded of a great quote.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

Alexis De Tocqueville, 1835

I think in CA we have reached a tipping point. I believe that the majority of californians whether directly (employed by the state or family employed by the state) or indirectly (goods or services paid for by people on the public dole weather) out numbers those with no ties to public money. So there is no hope for us. Those who do not receive benefits will leave while those who do will stay, increasing their majority.

Maybe this is too doom and gloom, but I am thinking it is true…certainly some cities, SF comes to mind, fit into this category.

[jstoesz]

paramount,

I am reminded of a great quote.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

Alexis De Tocqueville, 1835

I think in CA we have reached a tipping point. I believe that the majority of californians whether directly (employed by the state or family employed by the state) or indirectly (goods or services paid for by people on the public dole weather) out numbers those with no ties to public money. So there is no hope for us. Those who do not receive benefits will leave while those who do will stay, increasing their majority.

Maybe this is too doom and gloom, but I am thinking it is true…certainly some cities, SF comes to mind, fit into this category.

[jstoesz]

paramount,

I am reminded of a great quote.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

Alexis De Tocqueville, 1835

I think in CA we have reached a tipping point. I believe that the majority of californians whether directly (employed by the state or family employed by the state) or indirectly (goods or services paid for by people on the public dole weather) out numbers those with no ties to public money. So there is no hope for us. Those who do not receive benefits will leave while those who do will stay, increasing their majority.

Maybe this is too doom and gloom, but I am thinking it is true…certainly some cities, SF comes to mind, fit into this category.

[scaredyclassic]

Do lifeguards produce income? Tourists come to the beaches in numbers they might not without lifeguards. Don’t they produce as much revenue for the state in a productive sense as say a private sector tattoo artist? For tourism you probably want really good pro lifeguards. Liability? Deaths? They probably save more actual lives than firemen…

Just the job seems kinda fun. It’s probably kinda nervecwracking.

If it were privatized you’d have a big staff cheap high turnover lots of insurance and if deaths exceeded income you’d just go bankrupt. But maybe the wrongful death costs would be cheaper than the pro lifeguards. Or maybe it’s best to just have no lifeguards and let the strong survive.

But then I’d be dead. I was fished out of the pacific in the mid 70s got pulled way way out by the undertow.

Scary to think back on it.

[scaredyclassic]

Do lifeguards produce income? Tourists come to the beaches in numbers they might not without lifeguards. Don’t they produce as much revenue for the state in a productive sense as say a private sector tattoo artist? For tourism you probably want really good pro lifeguards. Liability? Deaths? They probably save more actual lives than firemen…

Just the job seems kinda fun. It’s probably kinda nervecwracking.

If it were privatized you’d have a big staff cheap high turnover lots of insurance and if deaths exceeded income you’d just go bankrupt. But maybe the wrongful death costs would be cheaper than the pro lifeguards. Or maybe it’s best to just have no lifeguards and let the strong survive.

But then I’d be dead. I was fished out of the pacific in the mid 70s got pulled way way out by the undertow.

Scary to think back on it.

[scaredyclassic]

Do lifeguards produce income? Tourists come to the beaches in numbers they might not without lifeguards. Don’t they produce as much revenue for the state in a productive sense as say a private sector tattoo artist? For tourism you probably want really good pro lifeguards. Liability? Deaths? They probably save more actual lives than firemen…

Just the job seems kinda fun. It’s probably kinda nervecwracking.

If it were privatized you’d have a big staff cheap high turnover lots of insurance and if deaths exceeded income you’d just go bankrupt. But maybe the wrongful death costs would be cheaper than the pro lifeguards. Or maybe it’s best to just have no lifeguards and let the strong survive.

But then I’d be dead. I was fished out of the pacific in the mid 70s got pulled way way out by the undertow.

Scary to think back on it.

[scaredyclassic]

Do lifeguards produce income? Tourists come to the beaches in numbers they might not without lifeguards. Don’t they produce as much revenue for the state in a productive sense as say a private sector tattoo artist? For tourism you probably want really good pro lifeguards. Liability? Deaths? They probably save more actual lives than firemen…

Just the job seems kinda fun. It’s probably kinda nervecwracking.

If it were privatized you’d have a big staff cheap high turnover lots of insurance and if deaths exceeded income you’d just go bankrupt. But maybe the wrongful death costs would be cheaper than the pro lifeguards. Or maybe it’s best to just have no lifeguards and let the strong survive.

But then I’d be dead. I was fished out of the pacific in the mid 70s got pulled way way out by the undertow.

Scary to think back on it.

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