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February 27, 2016 at 7:17 PM #795064February 27, 2016 at 7:41 PM #795065
CoronitaParticipant[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=flu][quote=enron_by_the_sea]i understand people don’t like Hillary.
What I don’t understand is why people think Cruz or Rubio is a better choice than Trump if you don’t believe in the basic dogma of conservatism. Their positions are equally repealing as Trump to me .[/quote]
Cruz was a nutjob I never thought had a chance. Rubio is a RINO, but to me seems harmless.[/quote]
How so? Ideologically there is not much difference between them. They both got elected as Tea party insurgents. If you look at Heritage Scorecard ( gold standard of “conservativeness” in voting) Cruz scores 100% and Rubio scores 90% . They both are cut from the same cloth. There is nothing centrist/ RINO about Rubio.[/quote]
Lol. If the extreme right wingers hate him, all the better.
February 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM #795066enron_by_the_sea
ParticipantCalling eachother RINO during the primaries is a common tactic. Current negative articles about Rubio from the extreme right are transient. They will die down as soon as Cruz is out of the race.
My prediction is that if Rubio gets the nomination, all of the GOP, including extreme right will fall in line and work for his election.
If Trump wins on the other hand, then defections are possible.
In short, there is not that much difference between what Rubio’s positions are and what the far right wants. I would not make any assumptions about him saying one thing to win primary and doing something else after getting elected. In fact, with a likely majority in house, senate and Supreme Court I will fully expect him to deliver on what he is saying!
February 27, 2016 at 8:08 PM #795067CoronitaParticipant[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Calling eachother RINO during the primaries is a common tactic. Current negative articles about Rubio from the extreme right are transient. They will die down as soon as Cruz is out of the race.
My prediction is that if Rubio gets the nomination, all of the GOP, including extreme right will fall in line and work for his election.
If Trump wins on the other hand, then defections are possible.
In short, there is not that much difference between what Rubio’s positions are and what the far right wants. I would not make any assumptions about him saying one thing to win primary and doing something else after getting elected. In fact, with a likely majority in house, senate and Supreme Court I will fully expect him to deliver on what he is saying![/quote]
The biggest issue I have with Trump, again, is his appeal to the most foul and bigoted personalities in this country.
Well, i for one hope Hillary wins. I like this second term obama and congress. I think it’s working great now that we have some balance restored.
February 27, 2016 at 8:11 PM #795068an
Participant[quote=joec]So am I the only one here who doesn’t like Hillary? I really hate 2 party politics.[/quote]
I don’t like Hillary but I hate Trump.February 27, 2016 at 8:20 PM #795069Participant[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Calling eachother RINO during the primaries is a common tactic. Current negative articles about Rubio from the extreme right are transient. They will die down as soon as Cruz is out of the race.
My prediction is that if Rubio gets the nomination, all of the GOP, including extreme right will fall in line and work for his election.
If Trump wins on the other hand, then defections are possible.
In short, there is not that much difference between what Rubio’s positions are and what the far right wants. I would not make any assumptions about him saying one thing to win primary and doing something else after getting elected. In fact, with a likely majority in house, senate and Supreme Court I will fully expect him to deliver on what he is saying![/quote]
What is Trump position? All I hear is fear mongering stuff. He didn’t say anything with substance, so how can you say his position is like Cruz or Rubio. Since I don’t know what his policy view point, other than building the damn wall, so I can’t say I hate is policy. But I do hate him because of his personality and who he inspires.February 27, 2016 at 8:29 PM #795070NotCranky
ParticipantCame up with some slogans with kids tonight over dinner. Man did we laugh.
Vote for Trump, Re-white American history!
Vote for Hilary, It’s as good as getting your nuts crushed in a rat trap!
It’s a free country, vote for whichever weirdo you want!
Vote for Hilary , she’s the best thing since sliced beans!
Vote For Bernie, Free Geritol for everyone!
February 27, 2016 at 9:16 PM #795072Participant[quote=AN]
What is Trump position? All I hear is fear mongering stuff. He didn’t say anything with substance, so how can you say his position is like Cruz or Rubio. Since I don’t know what his policy view point, other than building the damn wall, so I can’t say I hate is policy. But I do hate him because of his personality and who he inspires.[/quote]On immigration all are for deporting the undocumented. All are against any significant immigration reform. Rubio once had more flexible position on this issue, from his gang of eight days, but since then he has backtracked on it ( However they are all accused by others to be secretly in favor of “amnesty”)
All are against any form of gun control and favor more expansion of guns in American society.
All are anti abortion. ( Trump, however, acknowledges that sometimes planned parenthood does some good things )
They favor significantly reduced taxes on the super-rich. Rubio will however throw some bones at non-super-rich in the form of child tax credits.
Cruz and Rubio favor entitlement reform (i.e. weakening social security, medicare, Medicaid ). Trump is probably not in favor of this.
All would get rid of Obamacare without specifying what will replace it. Trump promises people won’t die for lack of care ( Thank you!). Cruz/Rubio won’t promise that.
No one will restrain Wall Street & they favor getting rid of Dodd-Frank etc.( And you think Hillary is pro-wall-street). Trump however does not think very highly of the Wall Street traders!
All are for Macho foreign policy. Cruz will carpet bomb Syria. Rubio will pick fights with Putin. Trump will buddy up with Putin. Guantanamo will be refilled. Water boarding will be routine. All will roll back Iran nuclear deal. However Trump may not be as pro-Israel as the other two. Cruz & Trump however, inconsistently, sometimes also take non-interventionist stands on issues like Rand Paul. Rubio is consistently in the neo-con camp.
No one believes in climate change. Nothing will be done there.
Rubio/Cruz will nominate conservative justices to Supreme Court. Trump’s position is unclear.
They are all against expansion of LGBT rights, equal pay etc. Trump might be OK with increased minimum wage
Rubio/Cruz are enthusiastically for globalization & trade pacts. Trump is apparently not into those!
February 27, 2016 at 9:27 PM #795073ParticipantI still don’t know what Trump would do. On a whole host of stuff. Even with what you posted. However, what you posted, Trump is as similar to the other two as Trump to Bernie. In the past, he also said he is in favor of universal healthcare, full support for pro choice, contributed to many Democrats, etc. So I have no idea where he really is. My interpretation of him is he is great at reading the crazies in the Republican party and take full advantage of it.
February 27, 2016 at 9:33 PM #795074Participant[quote=AN]However, what you posted, Trump is as similar to the other two as Trump to Bernie.[/quote]
I never said ( or at least never wanted to say) that Trump is similar to Rubio & Cruz.
I said basically two things.
1. If you don’t like Trump and you are not a believer in conservative ideology , then you should dislike Rubio and Cruz even more.
2. There is not that much difference between Rubio and Cruz and the extreme right of the Republican Party.
February 27, 2016 at 9:44 PM #795075Participant[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=AN]However, what you posted, Trump is as similar to the other two as Trump to Bernie.[/quote]
I never said ( or at least never wanted to say) that Trump is similar to Rubio & Cruz.
I said basically two things.
1. If you don’t like Trump and you are not a believer in conservative ideology , then you should dislike Rubio and Cruz even more.
2. There is not that much difference between Rubio and Cruz and the extreme right of the Republican Party.[/quote]
Isn’t your #1 essentially is saying if you’re a Democrat, then you should dislike Rubio and Cruz?#2, Rubio is part of the gang of 8, which in my view makes him much more centrist. I view that as a good thing, but am fully aware that during the primary, the candidates have to run either left or right. Just as Hillary is trying to run far left to match Bernie.
February 27, 2016 at 10:10 PM #795076Participant[quote=AN]
Isn’t your #1 essentially is saying if you’re a Democrat, then you should dislike Rubio and Cruz?#2, Rubio is part of the gang of 8, which in my view makes him much more centrist. I view that as a good thing, but am fully aware that during the primary, the candidates have to run either left or right. Just as Hillary is trying to run far left to match Bernie.[/quote]
#1 includes most but not all democrats. (There are democrats in the south & Appalachia who might be ideologically closer to GOP, but they are small in numbers these days). It could also include centrist independents & some (small number of) moderate republicans who would have voted for Bush or Kasich over Hillary if they were on the ballot.
February 27, 2016 at 10:14 PM #795077ParticipantHow can you be a Republican and not a believer of conservative ideology? I’m a centrist independent and I believe in some of the conservative ideology.
February 27, 2016 at 10:19 PM #795078Participant[quote=AN]How can you be a Republican and not a believer of conservative ideology? I’m a centrist independent and I believe in some of the conservative ideology.[/quote]
Kevin Faulconer 🙂
February 27, 2016 at 11:15 PM #795080Participant[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=AN]How can you be a Republican and not a believer of conservative ideology? I’m a centrist independent and I believe in some of the conservative ideology.[/quote]
Kevin Faulconer :)[/quote]
His actions seems to prove otherwise ( minimum wage veto and courting businesses). -
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