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June 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM #415547June 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM #414839
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ParticipantWhy so defensive? You opened it up and asked good idea or bad? If you think it’s a great idea, will work for your kid, and think any opinions to the contrary are silly, why ask?
June 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM #415078ParticipantWhy so defensive? You opened it up and asked good idea or bad? If you think it’s a great idea, will work for your kid, and think any opinions to the contrary are silly, why ask?
June 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM #415334ParticipantWhy so defensive? You opened it up and asked good idea or bad? If you think it’s a great idea, will work for your kid, and think any opinions to the contrary are silly, why ask?
June 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM #415400ParticipantWhy so defensive? You opened it up and asked good idea or bad? If you think it’s a great idea, will work for your kid, and think any opinions to the contrary are silly, why ask?
June 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM #415556ParticipantWhy so defensive? You opened it up and asked good idea or bad? If you think it’s a great idea, will work for your kid, and think any opinions to the contrary are silly, why ask?
June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM #414844scaredyclassic
Participantsorry, I really do appreciate all th thouhtful responses. I am not really defensive about it, just an argumentative person. I’m ready to argue the other side now.
probably paying kids can distort their view of what is important in life. Money will liekly be the focus of their entire life. All of us are tied to the dmands of earning a living, of providing for ourselves and our families. Shouldn’t there be a period of childhood that isn’t about cash? A time of innocent exploration free from the pressures of the marketplace, free from the call of the dollar, where they can learn what it is to be human. A time that is just about figuring out what is important, and learning what they love to do, without the artificial carrot of payment from their dad? By reducing education to a fee-for-services arrangement, I’ve essentially poisoned their relationship to truth, to beauty, to art and poetry, and to the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge itself. There is nothing sicker and more distorted than paying a child to do what is natural to the child; to explore his world. Like teaching a rat to press a bar for cheese, he will always be looking for his next hit of cheese, instead of trying to get out of the cage and explore all the wonders around him.
I see that. we probably won’t do this program because my wife is strongly opposed.
Didn’t mean to criticize anyone personally. Just like to argue. when i say a person’s position is “crazy’, i guess that could be taken to be rude. All I mean is that i’m kinda trying to keep the discussion going and flesh out the issues. i was going to keep a copy of this dialogue for my kdi so we could write apaper ont he pros and cons in the event we do the program. I still think it’s a good idea and not likely to fster a lifetime of dependence. I’ve asked dozens of acquaintances and many people ahve been paid with postiive results and they don’t appear to be on welfare or dependent ont heir parents. however, maybe they are warped below the surface…
June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM #415083Participantsorry, I really do appreciate all th thouhtful responses. I am not really defensive about it, just an argumentative person. I’m ready to argue the other side now.
probably paying kids can distort their view of what is important in life. Money will liekly be the focus of their entire life. All of us are tied to the dmands of earning a living, of providing for ourselves and our families. Shouldn’t there be a period of childhood that isn’t about cash? A time of innocent exploration free from the pressures of the marketplace, free from the call of the dollar, where they can learn what it is to be human. A time that is just about figuring out what is important, and learning what they love to do, without the artificial carrot of payment from their dad? By reducing education to a fee-for-services arrangement, I’ve essentially poisoned their relationship to truth, to beauty, to art and poetry, and to the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge itself. There is nothing sicker and more distorted than paying a child to do what is natural to the child; to explore his world. Like teaching a rat to press a bar for cheese, he will always be looking for his next hit of cheese, instead of trying to get out of the cage and explore all the wonders around him.
I see that. we probably won’t do this program because my wife is strongly opposed.
Didn’t mean to criticize anyone personally. Just like to argue. when i say a person’s position is “crazy’, i guess that could be taken to be rude. All I mean is that i’m kinda trying to keep the discussion going and flesh out the issues. i was going to keep a copy of this dialogue for my kdi so we could write apaper ont he pros and cons in the event we do the program. I still think it’s a good idea and not likely to fster a lifetime of dependence. I’ve asked dozens of acquaintances and many people ahve been paid with postiive results and they don’t appear to be on welfare or dependent ont heir parents. however, maybe they are warped below the surface…
June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM #415339Participantsorry, I really do appreciate all th thouhtful responses. I am not really defensive about it, just an argumentative person. I’m ready to argue the other side now.
probably paying kids can distort their view of what is important in life. Money will liekly be the focus of their entire life. All of us are tied to the dmands of earning a living, of providing for ourselves and our families. Shouldn’t there be a period of childhood that isn’t about cash? A time of innocent exploration free from the pressures of the marketplace, free from the call of the dollar, where they can learn what it is to be human. A time that is just about figuring out what is important, and learning what they love to do, without the artificial carrot of payment from their dad? By reducing education to a fee-for-services arrangement, I’ve essentially poisoned their relationship to truth, to beauty, to art and poetry, and to the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge itself. There is nothing sicker and more distorted than paying a child to do what is natural to the child; to explore his world. Like teaching a rat to press a bar for cheese, he will always be looking for his next hit of cheese, instead of trying to get out of the cage and explore all the wonders around him.
I see that. we probably won’t do this program because my wife is strongly opposed.
Didn’t mean to criticize anyone personally. Just like to argue. when i say a person’s position is “crazy’, i guess that could be taken to be rude. All I mean is that i’m kinda trying to keep the discussion going and flesh out the issues. i was going to keep a copy of this dialogue for my kdi so we could write apaper ont he pros and cons in the event we do the program. I still think it’s a good idea and not likely to fster a lifetime of dependence. I’ve asked dozens of acquaintances and many people ahve been paid with postiive results and they don’t appear to be on welfare or dependent ont heir parents. however, maybe they are warped below the surface…
June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM #415405Participantsorry, I really do appreciate all th thouhtful responses. I am not really defensive about it, just an argumentative person. I’m ready to argue the other side now.
probably paying kids can distort their view of what is important in life. Money will liekly be the focus of their entire life. All of us are tied to the dmands of earning a living, of providing for ourselves and our families. Shouldn’t there be a period of childhood that isn’t about cash? A time of innocent exploration free from the pressures of the marketplace, free from the call of the dollar, where they can learn what it is to be human. A time that is just about figuring out what is important, and learning what they love to do, without the artificial carrot of payment from their dad? By reducing education to a fee-for-services arrangement, I’ve essentially poisoned their relationship to truth, to beauty, to art and poetry, and to the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge itself. There is nothing sicker and more distorted than paying a child to do what is natural to the child; to explore his world. Like teaching a rat to press a bar for cheese, he will always be looking for his next hit of cheese, instead of trying to get out of the cage and explore all the wonders around him.
I see that. we probably won’t do this program because my wife is strongly opposed.
Didn’t mean to criticize anyone personally. Just like to argue. when i say a person’s position is “crazy’, i guess that could be taken to be rude. All I mean is that i’m kinda trying to keep the discussion going and flesh out the issues. i was going to keep a copy of this dialogue for my kdi so we could write apaper ont he pros and cons in the event we do the program. I still think it’s a good idea and not likely to fster a lifetime of dependence. I’ve asked dozens of acquaintances and many people ahve been paid with postiive results and they don’t appear to be on welfare or dependent ont heir parents. however, maybe they are warped below the surface…
June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM #415561Participantsorry, I really do appreciate all th thouhtful responses. I am not really defensive about it, just an argumentative person. I’m ready to argue the other side now.
probably paying kids can distort their view of what is important in life. Money will liekly be the focus of their entire life. All of us are tied to the dmands of earning a living, of providing for ourselves and our families. Shouldn’t there be a period of childhood that isn’t about cash? A time of innocent exploration free from the pressures of the marketplace, free from the call of the dollar, where they can learn what it is to be human. A time that is just about figuring out what is important, and learning what they love to do, without the artificial carrot of payment from their dad? By reducing education to a fee-for-services arrangement, I’ve essentially poisoned their relationship to truth, to beauty, to art and poetry, and to the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge itself. There is nothing sicker and more distorted than paying a child to do what is natural to the child; to explore his world. Like teaching a rat to press a bar for cheese, he will always be looking for his next hit of cheese, instead of trying to get out of the cage and explore all the wonders around him.
I see that. we probably won’t do this program because my wife is strongly opposed.
Didn’t mean to criticize anyone personally. Just like to argue. when i say a person’s position is “crazy’, i guess that could be taken to be rude. All I mean is that i’m kinda trying to keep the discussion going and flesh out the issues. i was going to keep a copy of this dialogue for my kdi so we could write apaper ont he pros and cons in the event we do the program. I still think it’s a good idea and not likely to fster a lifetime of dependence. I’ve asked dozens of acquaintances and many people ahve been paid with postiive results and they don’t appear to be on welfare or dependent ont heir parents. however, maybe they are warped below the surface…
June 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM #414874Ricechex
ParticipantScaredycat….you are a funny guy in your own way! It is life to see issues in gray, rather than in black and white, and apparently you are rather skilled at this! Me thinks you thought you would start an interesting thread, and yes, you were successful!
If everything you do for your child is based on a monetary system, then I would have to agree with some of the other posters…it creates entitlement. Should money always be the reward? What about social relationships and connectivity and being good to other humans and life forms on this planet? What about the personal gains received from just doing the right thing?
I suppose it is best to look at the whole picture. You state your family has no TV, so paying for grades seems to go against that grain. You are obviously not materialistic, and recognize the problems coming from the media. Since your kid was not raised on TV (neither was I BTW, my father had us read “The Plug In Drug”) then your values would seem inconsistent to pay your son for grades. However, as mentioned above, it is all grays, so perhaps with the other values you possess, paying for grades is actually quite harmless. I guess it all depends on ALL of the factors combined.
June 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM #415113ParticipantScaredycat….you are a funny guy in your own way! It is life to see issues in gray, rather than in black and white, and apparently you are rather skilled at this! Me thinks you thought you would start an interesting thread, and yes, you were successful!
If everything you do for your child is based on a monetary system, then I would have to agree with some of the other posters…it creates entitlement. Should money always be the reward? What about social relationships and connectivity and being good to other humans and life forms on this planet? What about the personal gains received from just doing the right thing?
I suppose it is best to look at the whole picture. You state your family has no TV, so paying for grades seems to go against that grain. You are obviously not materialistic, and recognize the problems coming from the media. Since your kid was not raised on TV (neither was I BTW, my father had us read “The Plug In Drug”) then your values would seem inconsistent to pay your son for grades. However, as mentioned above, it is all grays, so perhaps with the other values you possess, paying for grades is actually quite harmless. I guess it all depends on ALL of the factors combined.
June 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM #415369ParticipantScaredycat….you are a funny guy in your own way! It is life to see issues in gray, rather than in black and white, and apparently you are rather skilled at this! Me thinks you thought you would start an interesting thread, and yes, you were successful!
If everything you do for your child is based on a monetary system, then I would have to agree with some of the other posters…it creates entitlement. Should money always be the reward? What about social relationships and connectivity and being good to other humans and life forms on this planet? What about the personal gains received from just doing the right thing?
I suppose it is best to look at the whole picture. You state your family has no TV, so paying for grades seems to go against that grain. You are obviously not materialistic, and recognize the problems coming from the media. Since your kid was not raised on TV (neither was I BTW, my father had us read “The Plug In Drug”) then your values would seem inconsistent to pay your son for grades. However, as mentioned above, it is all grays, so perhaps with the other values you possess, paying for grades is actually quite harmless. I guess it all depends on ALL of the factors combined.
June 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM #415436ParticipantScaredycat….you are a funny guy in your own way! It is life to see issues in gray, rather than in black and white, and apparently you are rather skilled at this! Me thinks you thought you would start an interesting thread, and yes, you were successful!
If everything you do for your child is based on a monetary system, then I would have to agree with some of the other posters…it creates entitlement. Should money always be the reward? What about social relationships and connectivity and being good to other humans and life forms on this planet? What about the personal gains received from just doing the right thing?
I suppose it is best to look at the whole picture. You state your family has no TV, so paying for grades seems to go against that grain. You are obviously not materialistic, and recognize the problems coming from the media. Since your kid was not raised on TV (neither was I BTW, my father had us read “The Plug In Drug”) then your values would seem inconsistent to pay your son for grades. However, as mentioned above, it is all grays, so perhaps with the other values you possess, paying for grades is actually quite harmless. I guess it all depends on ALL of the factors combined.
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