OT: Paying Kids For Grades in HS

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why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…

intact family. I’m his genetic dad. his genetic mom is vehemently opposed to the scheme. I am storngly in favor. I think the combination of payment as a carrot, punishments as th e stick along the way for repeated noncompliance with daily assignments, coupled with help and general praise and feedback along the course of the semester, would prove to be sucha potent combination that he might actually do what is required… consdier this hypothetical.

did the kennedy kids have a dealwhere they were each paid a million upon graduating college? i seem to recall reading that somewhere…

so, what of that? if a kid were to be paid some huge sum, would that somehow “ruin” their life and future education? they might enjoy the material or not, might enjoy the experience or not regardless of whether moneyw as involved. but i bet if a kid were offered a million dollars to nail all A’s in high school, that he would probably really try to get all A’s, and if the kid had minimal aptitude and maximial drive, he would almost certainly achieve the goal…and arguably have learned an important lesson on focussing in ona goal…

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[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

[meadandale]

[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

[meadandale]

[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

[meadandale]

[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

[meadandale]

[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t “have to” get A’s or even do your best in school. I know i didn’t do my best. Because of superior gaming skills, I ahve usually been able to nail grades precisely because i didn’t dig too deeply or work too hard. I was naturally able to get the lay o the land, focusmy minimal energies on the areas i knew would be graded, and score. But most kids don’t “have to” do anything but show up, and behav, more or less. they dont ahve to expend any mental energy. I’ trying to give hima little push to focus. perhaps there will be no reward later, but maybe the pattern wil be set. will he rebel and no longer work simply because he’s “addicted” to a monetary reward? i doubt it. i think probably people should focus their energies on things they’re rewarded for and not focus their energies on things they’re not rewarded for in life. that’s generally a more efficient way to live…

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t “have to” get A’s or even do your best in school. I know i didn’t do my best. Because of superior gaming skills, I ahve usually been able to nail grades precisely because i didn’t dig too deeply or work too hard. I was naturally able to get the lay o the land, focusmy minimal energies on the areas i knew would be graded, and score. But most kids don’t “have to” do anything but show up, and behav, more or less. they dont ahve to expend any mental energy. I’ trying to give hima little push to focus. perhaps there will be no reward later, but maybe the pattern wil be set. will he rebel and no longer work simply because he’s “addicted” to a monetary reward? i doubt it. i think probably people should focus their energies on things they’re rewarded for and not focus their energies on things they’re not rewarded for in life. that’s generally a more efficient way to live…

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t “have to” get A’s or even do your best in school. I know i didn’t do my best. Because of superior gaming skills, I ahve usually been able to nail grades precisely because i didn’t dig too deeply or work too hard. I was naturally able to get the lay o the land, focusmy minimal energies on the areas i knew would be graded, and score. But most kids don’t “have to” do anything but show up, and behav, more or less. they dont ahve to expend any mental energy. I’ trying to give hima little push to focus. perhaps there will be no reward later, but maybe the pattern wil be set. will he rebel and no longer work simply because he’s “addicted” to a monetary reward? i doubt it. i think probably people should focus their energies on things they’re rewarded for and not focus their energies on things they’re not rewarded for in life. that’s generally a more efficient way to live…

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t “have to” get A’s or even do your best in school. I know i didn’t do my best. Because of superior gaming skills, I ahve usually been able to nail grades precisely because i didn’t dig too deeply or work too hard. I was naturally able to get the lay o the land, focusmy minimal energies on the areas i knew would be graded, and score. But most kids don’t “have to” do anything but show up, and behav, more or less. they dont ahve to expend any mental energy. I’ trying to give hima little push to focus. perhaps there will be no reward later, but maybe the pattern wil be set. will he rebel and no longer work simply because he’s “addicted” to a monetary reward? i doubt it. i think probably people should focus their energies on things they’re rewarded for and not focus their energies on things they’re not rewarded for in life. that’s generally a more efficient way to live…

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t “have to” get A’s or even do your best in school. I know i didn’t do my best. Because of superior gaming skills, I ahve usually been able to nail grades precisely because i didn’t dig too deeply or work too hard. I was naturally able to get the lay o the land, focusmy minimal energies on the areas i knew would be graded, and score. But most kids don’t “have to” do anything but show up, and behav, more or less. they dont ahve to expend any mental energy. I’ trying to give hima little push to focus. perhaps there will be no reward later, but maybe the pattern wil be set. will he rebel and no longer work simply because he’s “addicted” to a monetary reward? i doubt it. i think probably people should focus their energies on things they’re rewarded for and not focus their energies on things they’re not rewarded for in life. that’s generally a more efficient way to live…

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[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.

This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]

What a load of hogwash!

I’ve heard of kids getting paid for grades since I was a tot!

In addition, if I pay them for their grades they have a little spending dough and don’t have to take a job which would definitely affect their grades.

It is pay for performance, baby. Just like happens in the workplace.

You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?

[svelte]

[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.

This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]

What a load of hogwash!

I’ve heard of kids getting paid for grades since I was a tot!

In addition, if I pay them for their grades they have a little spending dough and don’t have to take a job which would definitely affect their grades.

It is pay for performance, baby. Just like happens in the workplace.

You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?

[svelte]

[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.

This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]

What a load of hogwash!

I’ve heard of kids getting paid for grades since I was a tot!

In addition, if I pay them for their grades they have a little spending dough and don’t have to take a job which would definitely affect their grades.

It is pay for performance, baby. Just like happens in the workplace.

You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?

[svelte]

[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.

This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]

What a load of hogwash!

I’ve heard of kids getting paid for grades since I was a tot!

In addition, if I pay them for their grades they have a little spending dough and don’t have to take a job which would definitely affect their grades.

It is pay for performance, baby. Just like happens in the workplace.

You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?

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