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June 12, 2009 at 10:52 AM #415210June 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM #414502
werewolf34
ParticipantTo the original poster, I think it depends on what standard you want to set for your kid.
In my family A’s were expected not rewarded. It’s the same sort of pyschology but without the cash prize.
Not every kid (cash / no cash) will be able to get A’s all the time. I think it is more about setting their work ethic for the rest of their lives.
Personally, I would be worried that your kid would then expect a bribe / incentive to perform later on in life. My experience is that life will kick you in the shins with that attitude….unless you are a CA homeowner who bought too much house.
June 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM #414743ParticipantTo the original poster, I think it depends on what standard you want to set for your kid.
In my family A’s were expected not rewarded. It’s the same sort of pyschology but without the cash prize.
Not every kid (cash / no cash) will be able to get A’s all the time. I think it is more about setting their work ethic for the rest of their lives.
Personally, I would be worried that your kid would then expect a bribe / incentive to perform later on in life. My experience is that life will kick you in the shins with that attitude….unless you are a CA homeowner who bought too much house.
June 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM #414996ParticipantTo the original poster, I think it depends on what standard you want to set for your kid.
In my family A’s were expected not rewarded. It’s the same sort of pyschology but without the cash prize.
Not every kid (cash / no cash) will be able to get A’s all the time. I think it is more about setting their work ethic for the rest of their lives.
Personally, I would be worried that your kid would then expect a bribe / incentive to perform later on in life. My experience is that life will kick you in the shins with that attitude….unless you are a CA homeowner who bought too much house.
June 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM #415064ParticipantTo the original poster, I think it depends on what standard you want to set for your kid.
In my family A’s were expected not rewarded. It’s the same sort of pyschology but without the cash prize.
Not every kid (cash / no cash) will be able to get A’s all the time. I think it is more about setting their work ethic for the rest of their lives.
Personally, I would be worried that your kid would then expect a bribe / incentive to perform later on in life. My experience is that life will kick you in the shins with that attitude….unless you are a CA homeowner who bought too much house.
June 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM #415220ParticipantTo the original poster, I think it depends on what standard you want to set for your kid.
In my family A’s were expected not rewarded. It’s the same sort of pyschology but without the cash prize.
Not every kid (cash / no cash) will be able to get A’s all the time. I think it is more about setting their work ethic for the rest of their lives.
Personally, I would be worried that your kid would then expect a bribe / incentive to perform later on in life. My experience is that life will kick you in the shins with that attitude….unless you are a CA homeowner who bought too much house.
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #414537Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=meadandale]@davelj
Agree wholeheartedly on all points. Paying for grades teaches the WRONG lesson and is an intellectually lazy way to coerce your children to take their education seriously…one that rarely has the desired outcome.
Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.
Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.
This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]
Mead: Just attended my son’s 5th grade graduation (er, sorry, “promotion”) ceremony today. Yes, they apparently graduate kids out of elementary and into middle school. I went to Catholic school, so we had no middle school: It was K – 8 and then on to high school.
I was amazed at the number of awards that are given, and for (to me) absolutely meaningless stuff: Attendance (aren’t you expected to go to school each day?), Citizenship (aren’t you expected to behave?) and other nonsensical little awards, so that no one is left out or “feels bad”.
The point of education is no longer to educate, it is for administrators and Teacher’s Union reps to figure out how to game the testing system and get more budget money.
My son and daughter are barraged with homework and it’s all focused on improving test scores.
Kids now are over-scheduled, overworked, entitled little SOBs and we’re pretty much standing by and watching it happen. I still don’t get how we spend so much money on education and get so little in return. As recently as the 1960s, California’s schools were the envy of the world. WTF happened?
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #414777Participant[quote=meadandale]@davelj
Agree wholeheartedly on all points. Paying for grades teaches the WRONG lesson and is an intellectually lazy way to coerce your children to take their education seriously…one that rarely has the desired outcome.
Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.
Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.
This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]
Mead: Just attended my son’s 5th grade graduation (er, sorry, “promotion”) ceremony today. Yes, they apparently graduate kids out of elementary and into middle school. I went to Catholic school, so we had no middle school: It was K – 8 and then on to high school.
I was amazed at the number of awards that are given, and for (to me) absolutely meaningless stuff: Attendance (aren’t you expected to go to school each day?), Citizenship (aren’t you expected to behave?) and other nonsensical little awards, so that no one is left out or “feels bad”.
The point of education is no longer to educate, it is for administrators and Teacher’s Union reps to figure out how to game the testing system and get more budget money.
My son and daughter are barraged with homework and it’s all focused on improving test scores.
Kids now are over-scheduled, overworked, entitled little SOBs and we’re pretty much standing by and watching it happen. I still don’t get how we spend so much money on education and get so little in return. As recently as the 1960s, California’s schools were the envy of the world. WTF happened?
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #415031Participant[quote=meadandale]@davelj
Agree wholeheartedly on all points. Paying for grades teaches the WRONG lesson and is an intellectually lazy way to coerce your children to take their education seriously…one that rarely has the desired outcome.
Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.
Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.
This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]
Mead: Just attended my son’s 5th grade graduation (er, sorry, “promotion”) ceremony today. Yes, they apparently graduate kids out of elementary and into middle school. I went to Catholic school, so we had no middle school: It was K – 8 and then on to high school.
I was amazed at the number of awards that are given, and for (to me) absolutely meaningless stuff: Attendance (aren’t you expected to go to school each day?), Citizenship (aren’t you expected to behave?) and other nonsensical little awards, so that no one is left out or “feels bad”.
The point of education is no longer to educate, it is for administrators and Teacher’s Union reps to figure out how to game the testing system and get more budget money.
My son and daughter are barraged with homework and it’s all focused on improving test scores.
Kids now are over-scheduled, overworked, entitled little SOBs and we’re pretty much standing by and watching it happen. I still don’t get how we spend so much money on education and get so little in return. As recently as the 1960s, California’s schools were the envy of the world. WTF happened?
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #415099Participant[quote=meadandale]@davelj
Agree wholeheartedly on all points. Paying for grades teaches the WRONG lesson and is an intellectually lazy way to coerce your children to take their education seriously…one that rarely has the desired outcome.
Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.
Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.
This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]
Mead: Just attended my son’s 5th grade graduation (er, sorry, “promotion”) ceremony today. Yes, they apparently graduate kids out of elementary and into middle school. I went to Catholic school, so we had no middle school: It was K – 8 and then on to high school.
I was amazed at the number of awards that are given, and for (to me) absolutely meaningless stuff: Attendance (aren’t you expected to go to school each day?), Citizenship (aren’t you expected to behave?) and other nonsensical little awards, so that no one is left out or “feels bad”.
The point of education is no longer to educate, it is for administrators and Teacher’s Union reps to figure out how to game the testing system and get more budget money.
My son and daughter are barraged with homework and it’s all focused on improving test scores.
Kids now are over-scheduled, overworked, entitled little SOBs and we’re pretty much standing by and watching it happen. I still don’t get how we spend so much money on education and get so little in return. As recently as the 1960s, California’s schools were the envy of the world. WTF happened?
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #415255Participant[quote=meadandale]@davelj
Agree wholeheartedly on all points. Paying for grades teaches the WRONG lesson and is an intellectually lazy way to coerce your children to take their education seriously…one that rarely has the desired outcome.
Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.
Paying children to pay attention in school only ensures that they will expect some kind of reward throughout their lives for trivial things. This is NOT like the real world. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of managing people like this..lazy and unmotivated.
This is yet another example of the crap I see parents doing now that would never have happened when I was in school and is resulting in a generation of lazy kids with an entitlement mentality.[/quote]
Mead: Just attended my son’s 5th grade graduation (er, sorry, “promotion”) ceremony today. Yes, they apparently graduate kids out of elementary and into middle school. I went to Catholic school, so we had no middle school: It was K – 8 and then on to high school.
I was amazed at the number of awards that are given, and for (to me) absolutely meaningless stuff: Attendance (aren’t you expected to go to school each day?), Citizenship (aren’t you expected to behave?) and other nonsensical little awards, so that no one is left out or “feels bad”.
The point of education is no longer to educate, it is for administrators and Teacher’s Union reps to figure out how to game the testing system and get more budget money.
My son and daughter are barraged with homework and it’s all focused on improving test scores.
Kids now are over-scheduled, overworked, entitled little SOBs and we’re pretty much standing by and watching it happen. I still don’t get how we spend so much money on education and get so little in return. As recently as the 1960s, California’s schools were the envy of the world. WTF happened?
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #414542CBad
ParticipantI have mixed feelings about this.
Personally, I don’t think paying for grades is like real life. In the real world, MAYBE you’ll get a merit bonus or salary increase at your job. You might not. It depends on the company. It depends how the company is doing. It depends on the line of work. But you are expected to do your job and do it well, period. Also, if you are not up to par at your job, you get fired most likely (yes, don’t give me anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I’m making a generalization). So my feeling is that A-B work is expected unless the child truly has some learning problems or something. Why pay for expected work output? You go above and beyond, ok, we’ll talk.
And just curious, are we talking 1K for the entire year, per semester, per quarter?
On the other hand, I’m cool with motivation techniques but I like the event ideas more than $. I’ll never forget in 3rd grade my teacher saying that the first 3 kids who tested through and passed all of their multiplication tables would be able to go out to lunch with the teacher. You better believe I was number 1 baby! But, my 3rd grade teacher was HOT and I totally had a crush on him. All 3 of the top kids were GIRLS; the boys weren’t motivated with lunch with a dude. So, the motivation has to be right for the kid. Growing up, a particular gift or event would have been more motivating for me than $.
Side note, I was an A student since birth and it was always just expected of me. My brother, C’s, though he was very intelligent. My mom made a deal with him in 10th grade that if he made the honor roll (the bottom one, the 3.0 GPA one) that he would get a TV and cable in his room. Um, he made the honor roll for ONE QUARTER and got the TV and cable for 2 more years. WTF? That didn’t work.
And LOL on the goal scored on your own team! That’s classic.
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #414782ParticipantI have mixed feelings about this.
Personally, I don’t think paying for grades is like real life. In the real world, MAYBE you’ll get a merit bonus or salary increase at your job. You might not. It depends on the company. It depends how the company is doing. It depends on the line of work. But you are expected to do your job and do it well, period. Also, if you are not up to par at your job, you get fired most likely (yes, don’t give me anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I’m making a generalization). So my feeling is that A-B work is expected unless the child truly has some learning problems or something. Why pay for expected work output? You go above and beyond, ok, we’ll talk.
And just curious, are we talking 1K for the entire year, per semester, per quarter?
On the other hand, I’m cool with motivation techniques but I like the event ideas more than $. I’ll never forget in 3rd grade my teacher saying that the first 3 kids who tested through and passed all of their multiplication tables would be able to go out to lunch with the teacher. You better believe I was number 1 baby! But, my 3rd grade teacher was HOT and I totally had a crush on him. All 3 of the top kids were GIRLS; the boys weren’t motivated with lunch with a dude. So, the motivation has to be right for the kid. Growing up, a particular gift or event would have been more motivating for me than $.
Side note, I was an A student since birth and it was always just expected of me. My brother, C’s, though he was very intelligent. My mom made a deal with him in 10th grade that if he made the honor roll (the bottom one, the 3.0 GPA one) that he would get a TV and cable in his room. Um, he made the honor roll for ONE QUARTER and got the TV and cable for 2 more years. WTF? That didn’t work.
And LOL on the goal scored on your own team! That’s classic.
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #415036ParticipantI have mixed feelings about this.
Personally, I don’t think paying for grades is like real life. In the real world, MAYBE you’ll get a merit bonus or salary increase at your job. You might not. It depends on the company. It depends how the company is doing. It depends on the line of work. But you are expected to do your job and do it well, period. Also, if you are not up to par at your job, you get fired most likely (yes, don’t give me anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I’m making a generalization). So my feeling is that A-B work is expected unless the child truly has some learning problems or something. Why pay for expected work output? You go above and beyond, ok, we’ll talk.
And just curious, are we talking 1K for the entire year, per semester, per quarter?
On the other hand, I’m cool with motivation techniques but I like the event ideas more than $. I’ll never forget in 3rd grade my teacher saying that the first 3 kids who tested through and passed all of their multiplication tables would be able to go out to lunch with the teacher. You better believe I was number 1 baby! But, my 3rd grade teacher was HOT and I totally had a crush on him. All 3 of the top kids were GIRLS; the boys weren’t motivated with lunch with a dude. So, the motivation has to be right for the kid. Growing up, a particular gift or event would have been more motivating for me than $.
Side note, I was an A student since birth and it was always just expected of me. My brother, C’s, though he was very intelligent. My mom made a deal with him in 10th grade that if he made the honor roll (the bottom one, the 3.0 GPA one) that he would get a TV and cable in his room. Um, he made the honor roll for ONE QUARTER and got the TV and cable for 2 more years. WTF? That didn’t work.
And LOL on the goal scored on your own team! That’s classic.
June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM #415104ParticipantI have mixed feelings about this.
Personally, I don’t think paying for grades is like real life. In the real world, MAYBE you’ll get a merit bonus or salary increase at your job. You might not. It depends on the company. It depends how the company is doing. It depends on the line of work. But you are expected to do your job and do it well, period. Also, if you are not up to par at your job, you get fired most likely (yes, don’t give me anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I’m making a generalization). So my feeling is that A-B work is expected unless the child truly has some learning problems or something. Why pay for expected work output? You go above and beyond, ok, we’ll talk.
And just curious, are we talking 1K for the entire year, per semester, per quarter?
On the other hand, I’m cool with motivation techniques but I like the event ideas more than $. I’ll never forget in 3rd grade my teacher saying that the first 3 kids who tested through and passed all of their multiplication tables would be able to go out to lunch with the teacher. You better believe I was number 1 baby! But, my 3rd grade teacher was HOT and I totally had a crush on him. All 3 of the top kids were GIRLS; the boys weren’t motivated with lunch with a dude. So, the motivation has to be right for the kid. Growing up, a particular gift or event would have been more motivating for me than $.
Side note, I was an A student since birth and it was always just expected of me. My brother, C’s, though he was very intelligent. My mom made a deal with him in 10th grade that if he made the honor roll (the bottom one, the 3.0 GPA one) that he would get a TV and cable in his room. Um, he made the honor roll for ONE QUARTER and got the TV and cable for 2 more years. WTF? That didn’t work.
And LOL on the goal scored on your own team! That’s classic.
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