OT: Obama is dumber than a box of rocks

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Rus: I didn’t say to vote for Mitt, I said he looks like the corporate villain from any one of a number of films. Being bald, I think I mainly envy him for his hair.

Almodovar, huh? Interesting. Do you read any Marquez or Vargas Llosa?

We’re not going to go off on a MechA tear, are we?

Por la causa, por la raza, baby! Viva la revolucion![/quote]

Yours and Rus’s discussions of Revolution remind me of the whole Aureliano Buendia section of Cien Anos de Soledad.

Something about losing heart in the revolution but staying with it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Yup. The juxtaposition of Orwell’s experiences in the Spanish Civil War (initial idealism and fervent hope for change, followed by disillusion once the reality set in, and ending with a hard pragmatism) mirror that of Buendia: His beginnings, his ascent through the ranks and acquisition of power and his end.

What are your thoughts on Marquez as they relate to his various apologia for Castro? Do you feel that Cuba following the fall of Batista shares much with “100 Years of Solitude” (written in 1967)? Have you read Vargas Llosa at all?

I don’t know if you’ve read Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, but it is some of his best writing and it sets him on the path to “Animal Farm” and “1984”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Yup. The juxtaposition of Orwell’s experiences in the Spanish Civil War (initial idealism and fervent hope for change, followed by disillusion once the reality set in, and ending with a hard pragmatism) mirror that of Buendia: His beginnings, his ascent through the ranks and acquisition of power and his end.

What are your thoughts on Marquez as they relate to his various apologia for Castro? Do you feel that Cuba following the fall of Batista shares much with “100 Years of Solitude” (written in 1967)? Have you read Vargas Llosa at all?

I don’t know if you’ve read Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, but it is some of his best writing and it sets him on the path to “Animal Farm” and “1984”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Yup. The juxtaposition of Orwell’s experiences in the Spanish Civil War (initial idealism and fervent hope for change, followed by disillusion once the reality set in, and ending with a hard pragmatism) mirror that of Buendia: His beginnings, his ascent through the ranks and acquisition of power and his end.

What are your thoughts on Marquez as they relate to his various apologia for Castro? Do you feel that Cuba following the fall of Batista shares much with “100 Years of Solitude” (written in 1967)? Have you read Vargas Llosa at all?

I don’t know if you’ve read Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, but it is some of his best writing and it sets him on the path to “Animal Farm” and “1984”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Yup. The juxtaposition of Orwell’s experiences in the Spanish Civil War (initial idealism and fervent hope for change, followed by disillusion once the reality set in, and ending with a hard pragmatism) mirror that of Buendia: His beginnings, his ascent through the ranks and acquisition of power and his end.

What are your thoughts on Marquez as they relate to his various apologia for Castro? Do you feel that Cuba following the fall of Batista shares much with “100 Years of Solitude” (written in 1967)? Have you read Vargas Llosa at all?

I don’t know if you’ve read Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, but it is some of his best writing and it sets him on the path to “Animal Farm” and “1984”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Yup. The juxtaposition of Orwell’s experiences in the Spanish Civil War (initial idealism and fervent hope for change, followed by disillusion once the reality set in, and ending with a hard pragmatism) mirror that of Buendia: His beginnings, his ascent through the ranks and acquisition of power and his end.

What are your thoughts on Marquez as they relate to his various apologia for Castro? Do you feel that Cuba following the fall of Batista shares much with “100 Years of Solitude” (written in 1967)? Have you read Vargas Llosa at all?

I don’t know if you’ve read Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, but it is some of his best writing and it sets him on the path to “Animal Farm” and “1984”.

[NotCranky]

Allan do you celebrate the alleged failure of revolutionaries in general? You are disappointed with Marquez moral support of Castro over Batista correct? Happy with Cubas “just deserts” of “100 years of solitude”?What did Franco’s 35 years do for you? Did you get my spanish regarding how Llosa is considered a traitor by many poor Latin Americans?

I’m gonna call you some names Allan.LOL

[NotCranky]

Allan do you celebrate the alleged failure of revolutionaries in general? You are disappointed with Marquez moral support of Castro over Batista correct? Happy with Cubas “just deserts” of “100 years of solitude”?What did Franco’s 35 years do for you? Did you get my spanish regarding how Llosa is considered a traitor by many poor Latin Americans?

I’m gonna call you some names Allan.LOL

[NotCranky]

Allan do you celebrate the alleged failure of revolutionaries in general? You are disappointed with Marquez moral support of Castro over Batista correct? Happy with Cubas “just deserts” of “100 years of solitude”?What did Franco’s 35 years do for you? Did you get my spanish regarding how Llosa is considered a traitor by many poor Latin Americans?

I’m gonna call you some names Allan.LOL

[NotCranky]

Allan do you celebrate the alleged failure of revolutionaries in general? You are disappointed with Marquez moral support of Castro over Batista correct? Happy with Cubas “just deserts” of “100 years of solitude”?What did Franco’s 35 years do for you? Did you get my spanish regarding how Llosa is considered a traitor by many poor Latin Americans?

I’m gonna call you some names Allan.LOL

[NotCranky]

Allan do you celebrate the alleged failure of revolutionaries in general? You are disappointed with Marquez moral support of Castro over Batista correct? Happy with Cubas “just deserts” of “100 years of solitude”?What did Franco’s 35 years do for you? Did you get my spanish regarding how Llosa is considered a traitor by many poor Latin Americans?

I’m gonna call you some names Allan.LOL

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Nope, I don’t “celebrate” the failure of revolutionaries in general. I do, however, have a problem with revolutionaries that aren’t true to their ideals, and that would include Castro, Che and now Chavez.

Castro, in his own way, is more repressive than Fulgencio Batista. Che was a murdering Stalinist. Chavez, now that his rhetoric has been exposed and his plans foiled, has turned into just another tinpot dictator.

Yes, I am aware of the knock on Vargas Llosa, but it doesn’t diminish the correctness of his criticism of Marquez one iota.

Lenin came to power in Russia by promising free elections following the revolution. Lo and behold, it never happened. Instead, you have Lenin followed by the likes of Lavrenti Beria, Josef Stalin and, ultimately, Vladimir Putin.

Orwell’s experiences during the Spanish Civil War illustrate one point clearly: It is rarely about the “ideals” and more generally about the “power”.

I don’t like Franco, nor does my condemnation of his opponents impute support for him.

I spent three years in places where the choices weren’t between right and wrong, but bad and worse. All due respect to your time in the Navy, but my time in the Army was very different, and the “education” I received has stayed with me to this day. Call me all the names you want, just don’t call me Polyanna.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Nope, I don’t “celebrate” the failure of revolutionaries in general. I do, however, have a problem with revolutionaries that aren’t true to their ideals, and that would include Castro, Che and now Chavez.

Castro, in his own way, is more repressive than Fulgencio Batista. Che was a murdering Stalinist. Chavez, now that his rhetoric has been exposed and his plans foiled, has turned into just another tinpot dictator.

Yes, I am aware of the knock on Vargas Llosa, but it doesn’t diminish the correctness of his criticism of Marquez one iota.

Lenin came to power in Russia by promising free elections following the revolution. Lo and behold, it never happened. Instead, you have Lenin followed by the likes of Lavrenti Beria, Josef Stalin and, ultimately, Vladimir Putin.

Orwell’s experiences during the Spanish Civil War illustrate one point clearly: It is rarely about the “ideals” and more generally about the “power”.

I don’t like Franco, nor does my condemnation of his opponents impute support for him.

I spent three years in places where the choices weren’t between right and wrong, but bad and worse. All due respect to your time in the Navy, but my time in the Army was very different, and the “education” I received has stayed with me to this day. Call me all the names you want, just don’t call me Polyanna.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Nope, I don’t “celebrate” the failure of revolutionaries in general. I do, however, have a problem with revolutionaries that aren’t true to their ideals, and that would include Castro, Che and now Chavez.

Castro, in his own way, is more repressive than Fulgencio Batista. Che was a murdering Stalinist. Chavez, now that his rhetoric has been exposed and his plans foiled, has turned into just another tinpot dictator.

Yes, I am aware of the knock on Vargas Llosa, but it doesn’t diminish the correctness of his criticism of Marquez one iota.

Lenin came to power in Russia by promising free elections following the revolution. Lo and behold, it never happened. Instead, you have Lenin followed by the likes of Lavrenti Beria, Josef Stalin and, ultimately, Vladimir Putin.

Orwell’s experiences during the Spanish Civil War illustrate one point clearly: It is rarely about the “ideals” and more generally about the “power”.

I don’t like Franco, nor does my condemnation of his opponents impute support for him.

I spent three years in places where the choices weren’t between right and wrong, but bad and worse. All due respect to your time in the Navy, but my time in the Army was very different, and the “education” I received has stayed with me to this day. Call me all the names you want, just don’t call me Polyanna.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Nope, I don’t “celebrate” the failure of revolutionaries in general. I do, however, have a problem with revolutionaries that aren’t true to their ideals, and that would include Castro, Che and now Chavez.

Castro, in his own way, is more repressive than Fulgencio Batista. Che was a murdering Stalinist. Chavez, now that his rhetoric has been exposed and his plans foiled, has turned into just another tinpot dictator.

Yes, I am aware of the knock on Vargas Llosa, but it doesn’t diminish the correctness of his criticism of Marquez one iota.

Lenin came to power in Russia by promising free elections following the revolution. Lo and behold, it never happened. Instead, you have Lenin followed by the likes of Lavrenti Beria, Josef Stalin and, ultimately, Vladimir Putin.

Orwell’s experiences during the Spanish Civil War illustrate one point clearly: It is rarely about the “ideals” and more generally about the “power”.

I don’t like Franco, nor does my condemnation of his opponents impute support for him.

I spent three years in places where the choices weren’t between right and wrong, but bad and worse. All due respect to your time in the Navy, but my time in the Army was very different, and the “education” I received has stayed with me to this day. Call me all the names you want, just don’t call me Polyanna.

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