OT: Obama is dumber than a box of rocks

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]urbanrealtor: Which Army base? My first command was an armored cavalry platoon (11th ACR) up in the Fulda Gap area. Germany was sooooo fun when the Russkies were there: I loved being overflown by jets with little red stars on the wings.

gandalf: Check your PM.[/quote]

It was the hospital between Nuernberg and Furth.

I don’t know if the army spells it nuremburg or if they have an American version of Furth and I do not recall the name of the base itself. I do recall it had a very distinctive German imperial eagle at the front gate (it had a wall) that our army had tried to make look more like an American eagle (by painting it). I was kind of horrific.

But Germany and Bavaria in particular I remember being quite beautiful (especially the altshtatt).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Most of my time was spent up around Frankfurt and Wurzburg, but I did get down to Munchen (Munich) and once to Vienna.

Family is German on both sides, and it was spoken in the home as a kid, so I definitely enjoyed being there. Aside from the fact that Germans are a pretty humorless bunch, that is.

This was in 1984, so the Cold War was in full swing and Reagan was putting pretty significant pressure on the Soviets. We were constantly going on alert, which was hair raising and mainly due to the fact that there 6,000 of us and 450,000 Russians and Warsaw Pact forces a couple of miles down the road. Needless to say, I was happy as hell to get out of there, only to find that the Army was sending me to El Salvador. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Driving on the Autobahn was a blast. The A3 especially.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Most of my time was spent up around Frankfurt and Wurzburg, but I did get down to Munchen (Munich) and once to Vienna.

Family is German on both sides, and it was spoken in the home as a kid, so I definitely enjoyed being there. Aside from the fact that Germans are a pretty humorless bunch, that is.

This was in 1984, so the Cold War was in full swing and Reagan was putting pretty significant pressure on the Soviets. We were constantly going on alert, which was hair raising and mainly due to the fact that there 6,000 of us and 450,000 Russians and Warsaw Pact forces a couple of miles down the road. Needless to say, I was happy as hell to get out of there, only to find that the Army was sending me to El Salvador. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Driving on the Autobahn was a blast. The A3 especially.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Most of my time was spent up around Frankfurt and Wurzburg, but I did get down to Munchen (Munich) and once to Vienna.

Family is German on both sides, and it was spoken in the home as a kid, so I definitely enjoyed being there. Aside from the fact that Germans are a pretty humorless bunch, that is.

This was in 1984, so the Cold War was in full swing and Reagan was putting pretty significant pressure on the Soviets. We were constantly going on alert, which was hair raising and mainly due to the fact that there 6,000 of us and 450,000 Russians and Warsaw Pact forces a couple of miles down the road. Needless to say, I was happy as hell to get out of there, only to find that the Army was sending me to El Salvador. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Driving on the Autobahn was a blast. The A3 especially.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Most of my time was spent up around Frankfurt and Wurzburg, but I did get down to Munchen (Munich) and once to Vienna.

Family is German on both sides, and it was spoken in the home as a kid, so I definitely enjoyed being there. Aside from the fact that Germans are a pretty humorless bunch, that is.

This was in 1984, so the Cold War was in full swing and Reagan was putting pretty significant pressure on the Soviets. We were constantly going on alert, which was hair raising and mainly due to the fact that there 6,000 of us and 450,000 Russians and Warsaw Pact forces a couple of miles down the road. Needless to say, I was happy as hell to get out of there, only to find that the Army was sending me to El Salvador. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Driving on the Autobahn was a blast. The A3 especially.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

Most of my time was spent up around Frankfurt and Wurzburg, but I did get down to Munchen (Munich) and once to Vienna.

Family is German on both sides, and it was spoken in the home as a kid, so I definitely enjoyed being there. Aside from the fact that Germans are a pretty humorless bunch, that is.

This was in 1984, so the Cold War was in full swing and Reagan was putting pretty significant pressure on the Soviets. We were constantly going on alert, which was hair raising and mainly due to the fact that there 6,000 of us and 450,000 Russians and Warsaw Pact forces a couple of miles down the road. Needless to say, I was happy as hell to get out of there, only to find that the Army was sending me to El Salvador. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Driving on the Autobahn was a blast. The A3 especially.

[Casca]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=Casca]Liberals are communists without the guns.[/quote]

I am a liberal. I am not a communist. I am not a communist with or without a gun. I have no interest in a command economy or single party politics or politburo. I have worked in law enforcement and I was born (literally) on an army base on the border with communist eastern europe. I am a free rider in that I have never worked in the military myself.
Is it your assertion that all non-military (or non-combatants for that matter) are free riders?
Would it be your assertion that a draft would be better than having the existing minority fight the existing war?
Also, would it be your assertion that people who do not support the actions of the government are dumb (I think the term you used was “nitwit”)?
Or is it just that war that is the litmus test for un-patriots?
By that logic would the Russians who dodged the draft to avoid being killed by the mujahideen in Afghanistan be un-patriots?
Also, were the continental colonials in the 1770’s not deprived of something that spurred them towards war? I seem to recall something about taxation without representation. Perhaps I misread.

How do you have any idea whether someone loves their country?

Considering that a majority of Americans are not in support of the war, does that mean you don’t care for them?
If so, and if you find your countrymen (as defined by citizenship) so loathesome then why do you love your country? [/quote]

I can see that you’re confused. Allow me to simplify things for you. When Marx wrote, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.” He laid down the boundaries of Marxism. If you believe in achieving this form of government through the barrel of a gun, you’re a communist. If you’d like to vote it in at the ballot box, the constitution be damned, you’re a liberal.

Fifty years after the Warren Court, we’re so lost on the path as a nation, that our constitution has become almost meaningless, and the state may take any action that suits the momentary whim. The fault lies with the people. We’ve become a nation of historical and cultural ignoranimi.

As for this business of the “majority is against the war”. One may say that about any war, but it’s not that simple. It’s clear that those with skin in the game are overwhelmingly FOR the war, and thus has it been ever from Concord to Fallujah. Hell, Lincoln fully expected to be turned out of office by the vote of only the Northern states in the election of 1864. It was the vote of an Army serving in the field that won the election for him.

It’s easy to live the good life in California, sipping wine and eating cheese. How awful this Bush fellow is. Spending American lives to bother that poor fellow Saddam. Let’s see how you feel after the Iranians pop a nuke in LA.

Make no mistake, this war is about keeping the Iranians, and other Moslim whackdoodles, in their box. If you or your sons need not interrupt your lives to play a part, be grateful, and respectful of those who carry the burden for you. Anything less is in a word… unpatriotic.

[Casca]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=Casca]Liberals are communists without the guns.[/quote]

I am a liberal. I am not a communist. I am not a communist with or without a gun. I have no interest in a command economy or single party politics or politburo. I have worked in law enforcement and I was born (literally) on an army base on the border with communist eastern europe. I am a free rider in that I have never worked in the military myself.
Is it your assertion that all non-military (or non-combatants for that matter) are free riders?
Would it be your assertion that a draft would be better than having the existing minority fight the existing war?
Also, would it be your assertion that people who do not support the actions of the government are dumb (I think the term you used was “nitwit”)?
Or is it just that war that is the litmus test for un-patriots?
By that logic would the Russians who dodged the draft to avoid being killed by the mujahideen in Afghanistan be un-patriots?
Also, were the continental colonials in the 1770’s not deprived of something that spurred them towards war? I seem to recall something about taxation without representation. Perhaps I misread.

How do you have any idea whether someone loves their country?

Considering that a majority of Americans are not in support of the war, does that mean you don’t care for them?
If so, and if you find your countrymen (as defined by citizenship) so loathesome then why do you love your country? [/quote]

I can see that you’re confused. Allow me to simplify things for you. When Marx wrote, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.” He laid down the boundaries of Marxism. If you believe in achieving this form of government through the barrel of a gun, you’re a communist. If you’d like to vote it in at the ballot box, the constitution be damned, you’re a liberal.

Fifty years after the Warren Court, we’re so lost on the path as a nation, that our constitution has become almost meaningless, and the state may take any action that suits the momentary whim. The fault lies with the people. We’ve become a nation of historical and cultural ignoranimi.

As for this business of the “majority is against the war”. One may say that about any war, but it’s not that simple. It’s clear that those with skin in the game are overwhelmingly FOR the war, and thus has it been ever from Concord to Fallujah. Hell, Lincoln fully expected to be turned out of office by the vote of only the Northern states in the election of 1864. It was the vote of an Army serving in the field that won the election for him.

It’s easy to live the good life in California, sipping wine and eating cheese. How awful this Bush fellow is. Spending American lives to bother that poor fellow Saddam. Let’s see how you feel after the Iranians pop a nuke in LA.

Make no mistake, this war is about keeping the Iranians, and other Moslim whackdoodles, in their box. If you or your sons need not interrupt your lives to play a part, be grateful, and respectful of those who carry the burden for you. Anything less is in a word… unpatriotic.

[Casca]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=Casca]Liberals are communists without the guns.[/quote]

I am a liberal. I am not a communist. I am not a communist with or without a gun. I have no interest in a command economy or single party politics or politburo. I have worked in law enforcement and I was born (literally) on an army base on the border with communist eastern europe. I am a free rider in that I have never worked in the military myself.
Is it your assertion that all non-military (or non-combatants for that matter) are free riders?
Would it be your assertion that a draft would be better than having the existing minority fight the existing war?
Also, would it be your assertion that people who do not support the actions of the government are dumb (I think the term you used was “nitwit”)?
Or is it just that war that is the litmus test for un-patriots?
By that logic would the Russians who dodged the draft to avoid being killed by the mujahideen in Afghanistan be un-patriots?
Also, were the continental colonials in the 1770’s not deprived of something that spurred them towards war? I seem to recall something about taxation without representation. Perhaps I misread.

How do you have any idea whether someone loves their country?

Considering that a majority of Americans are not in support of the war, does that mean you don’t care for them?
If so, and if you find your countrymen (as defined by citizenship) so loathesome then why do you love your country? [/quote]

I can see that you’re confused. Allow me to simplify things for you. When Marx wrote, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.” He laid down the boundaries of Marxism. If you believe in achieving this form of government through the barrel of a gun, you’re a communist. If you’d like to vote it in at the ballot box, the constitution be damned, you’re a liberal.

Fifty years after the Warren Court, we’re so lost on the path as a nation, that our constitution has become almost meaningless, and the state may take any action that suits the momentary whim. The fault lies with the people. We’ve become a nation of historical and cultural ignoranimi.

As for this business of the “majority is against the war”. One may say that about any war, but it’s not that simple. It’s clear that those with skin in the game are overwhelmingly FOR the war, and thus has it been ever from Concord to Fallujah. Hell, Lincoln fully expected to be turned out of office by the vote of only the Northern states in the election of 1864. It was the vote of an Army serving in the field that won the election for him.

It’s easy to live the good life in California, sipping wine and eating cheese. How awful this Bush fellow is. Spending American lives to bother that poor fellow Saddam. Let’s see how you feel after the Iranians pop a nuke in LA.

Make no mistake, this war is about keeping the Iranians, and other Moslim whackdoodles, in their box. If you or your sons need not interrupt your lives to play a part, be grateful, and respectful of those who carry the burden for you. Anything less is in a word… unpatriotic.

[Casca]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=Casca]Liberals are communists without the guns.[/quote]

I am a liberal. I am not a communist. I am not a communist with or without a gun. I have no interest in a command economy or single party politics or politburo. I have worked in law enforcement and I was born (literally) on an army base on the border with communist eastern europe. I am a free rider in that I have never worked in the military myself.
Is it your assertion that all non-military (or non-combatants for that matter) are free riders?
Would it be your assertion that a draft would be better than having the existing minority fight the existing war?
Also, would it be your assertion that people who do not support the actions of the government are dumb (I think the term you used was “nitwit”)?
Or is it just that war that is the litmus test for un-patriots?
By that logic would the Russians who dodged the draft to avoid being killed by the mujahideen in Afghanistan be un-patriots?
Also, were the continental colonials in the 1770’s not deprived of something that spurred them towards war? I seem to recall something about taxation without representation. Perhaps I misread.

How do you have any idea whether someone loves their country?

Considering that a majority of Americans are not in support of the war, does that mean you don’t care for them?
If so, and if you find your countrymen (as defined by citizenship) so loathesome then why do you love your country? [/quote]

I can see that you’re confused. Allow me to simplify things for you. When Marx wrote, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.” He laid down the boundaries of Marxism. If you believe in achieving this form of government through the barrel of a gun, you’re a communist. If you’d like to vote it in at the ballot box, the constitution be damned, you’re a liberal.

Fifty years after the Warren Court, we’re so lost on the path as a nation, that our constitution has become almost meaningless, and the state may take any action that suits the momentary whim. The fault lies with the people. We’ve become a nation of historical and cultural ignoranimi.

As for this business of the “majority is against the war”. One may say that about any war, but it’s not that simple. It’s clear that those with skin in the game are overwhelmingly FOR the war, and thus has it been ever from Concord to Fallujah. Hell, Lincoln fully expected to be turned out of office by the vote of only the Northern states in the election of 1864. It was the vote of an Army serving in the field that won the election for him.

It’s easy to live the good life in California, sipping wine and eating cheese. How awful this Bush fellow is. Spending American lives to bother that poor fellow Saddam. Let’s see how you feel after the Iranians pop a nuke in LA.

Make no mistake, this war is about keeping the Iranians, and other Moslim whackdoodles, in their box. If you or your sons need not interrupt your lives to play a part, be grateful, and respectful of those who carry the burden for you. Anything less is in a word… unpatriotic.

[Casca]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=Casca]Liberals are communists without the guns.[/quote]

I am a liberal. I am not a communist. I am not a communist with or without a gun. I have no interest in a command economy or single party politics or politburo. I have worked in law enforcement and I was born (literally) on an army base on the border with communist eastern europe. I am a free rider in that I have never worked in the military myself.
Is it your assertion that all non-military (or non-combatants for that matter) are free riders?
Would it be your assertion that a draft would be better than having the existing minority fight the existing war?
Also, would it be your assertion that people who do not support the actions of the government are dumb (I think the term you used was “nitwit”)?
Or is it just that war that is the litmus test for un-patriots?
By that logic would the Russians who dodged the draft to avoid being killed by the mujahideen in Afghanistan be un-patriots?
Also, were the continental colonials in the 1770’s not deprived of something that spurred them towards war? I seem to recall something about taxation without representation. Perhaps I misread.

How do you have any idea whether someone loves their country?

Considering that a majority of Americans are not in support of the war, does that mean you don’t care for them?
If so, and if you find your countrymen (as defined by citizenship) so loathesome then why do you love your country? [/quote]

I can see that you’re confused. Allow me to simplify things for you. When Marx wrote, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.” He laid down the boundaries of Marxism. If you believe in achieving this form of government through the barrel of a gun, you’re a communist. If you’d like to vote it in at the ballot box, the constitution be damned, you’re a liberal.

Fifty years after the Warren Court, we’re so lost on the path as a nation, that our constitution has become almost meaningless, and the state may take any action that suits the momentary whim. The fault lies with the people. We’ve become a nation of historical and cultural ignoranimi.

As for this business of the “majority is against the war”. One may say that about any war, but it’s not that simple. It’s clear that those with skin in the game are overwhelmingly FOR the war, and thus has it been ever from Concord to Fallujah. Hell, Lincoln fully expected to be turned out of office by the vote of only the Northern states in the election of 1864. It was the vote of an Army serving in the field that won the election for him.

It’s easy to live the good life in California, sipping wine and eating cheese. How awful this Bush fellow is. Spending American lives to bother that poor fellow Saddam. Let’s see how you feel after the Iranians pop a nuke in LA.

Make no mistake, this war is about keeping the Iranians, and other Moslim whackdoodles, in their box. If you or your sons need not interrupt your lives to play a part, be grateful, and respectful of those who carry the burden for you. Anything less is in a word… unpatriotic.

[gandalf]

casca, I speak for myself. shadowfacts is some other Pigg. Not that it matters.

I want to point out here you haven’t actually included any FACTS in your Obama criticisms. Piggington’s motto: “In God We Trust, Everyone Else Bring Data.” Encourage you to post all the criticism you want, anything of merit. Anytime you like. Rezko was a good start. I’ll agree with you there.

So far, your rants have consisted of yammering, hate-filled bile, constipated partisan noise, unpatriotic attacks on fellow Americans (people who don’t think like you), and RACIST assertions about Obama, affirmative action and uppity black men from Harvard who have no education and have never had a job. It’s out of line.

Also, don’t go tossing out that line that you and the Republican Party are the Great Protectors of America and everybody else is a traitor. That’s a pile of fake-patriot bullshit. We’re all Americans here. All of us have skin in the game. Most of us have some pretty particular ideas about what’s going on right now.

With the Obama rants, post anything you want. Try to keep it factual, don’t be racist. With foreign-policy, most of us agree the threat posed by AQ is grave and urgent. If you have some experience in this area — raise the bar and contribute something to the discussion.

[gandalf]

casca, I speak for myself. shadowfacts is some other Pigg. Not that it matters.

I want to point out here you haven’t actually included any FACTS in your Obama criticisms. Piggington’s motto: “In God We Trust, Everyone Else Bring Data.” Encourage you to post all the criticism you want, anything of merit. Anytime you like. Rezko was a good start. I’ll agree with you there.

So far, your rants have consisted of yammering, hate-filled bile, constipated partisan noise, unpatriotic attacks on fellow Americans (people who don’t think like you), and RACIST assertions about Obama, affirmative action and uppity black men from Harvard who have no education and have never had a job. It’s out of line.

Also, don’t go tossing out that line that you and the Republican Party are the Great Protectors of America and everybody else is a traitor. That’s a pile of fake-patriot bullshit. We’re all Americans here. All of us have skin in the game. Most of us have some pretty particular ideas about what’s going on right now.

With the Obama rants, post anything you want. Try to keep it factual, don’t be racist. With foreign-policy, most of us agree the threat posed by AQ is grave and urgent. If you have some experience in this area — raise the bar and contribute something to the discussion.

[gandalf]

casca, I speak for myself. shadowfacts is some other Pigg. Not that it matters.

I want to point out here you haven’t actually included any FACTS in your Obama criticisms. Piggington’s motto: “In God We Trust, Everyone Else Bring Data.” Encourage you to post all the criticism you want, anything of merit. Anytime you like. Rezko was a good start. I’ll agree with you there.

So far, your rants have consisted of yammering, hate-filled bile, constipated partisan noise, unpatriotic attacks on fellow Americans (people who don’t think like you), and RACIST assertions about Obama, affirmative action and uppity black men from Harvard who have no education and have never had a job. It’s out of line.

Also, don’t go tossing out that line that you and the Republican Party are the Great Protectors of America and everybody else is a traitor. That’s a pile of fake-patriot bullshit. We’re all Americans here. All of us have skin in the game. Most of us have some pretty particular ideas about what’s going on right now.

With the Obama rants, post anything you want. Try to keep it factual, don’t be racist. With foreign-policy, most of us agree the threat posed by AQ is grave and urgent. If you have some experience in this area — raise the bar and contribute something to the discussion.

[gandalf]

casca, I speak for myself. shadowfacts is some other Pigg. Not that it matters.

I want to point out here you haven’t actually included any FACTS in your Obama criticisms. Piggington’s motto: “In God We Trust, Everyone Else Bring Data.” Encourage you to post all the criticism you want, anything of merit. Anytime you like. Rezko was a good start. I’ll agree with you there.

So far, your rants have consisted of yammering, hate-filled bile, constipated partisan noise, unpatriotic attacks on fellow Americans (people who don’t think like you), and RACIST assertions about Obama, affirmative action and uppity black men from Harvard who have no education and have never had a job. It’s out of line.

Also, don’t go tossing out that line that you and the Republican Party are the Great Protectors of America and everybody else is a traitor. That’s a pile of fake-patriot bullshit. We’re all Americans here. All of us have skin in the game. Most of us have some pretty particular ideas about what’s going on right now.

With the Obama rants, post anything you want. Try to keep it factual, don’t be racist. With foreign-policy, most of us agree the threat posed by AQ is grave and urgent. If you have some experience in this area — raise the bar and contribute something to the discussion.

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