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July 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM #432089July 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM #431384
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Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Pablo: At a minimum, you can make a strong case for CUBO (Conduct Unbecoming) and probably bootstrap into an Article 15. If you really wanted to throw the book at him, go Article 32 on his ass and see if you could make a case for a GCM (General Court Martial). This is a time of war and the punishments meted out for this sort of shit are generally stiffer. Of course, in this PC age, who knows? We have to think about his “feelings” and “motivations”.
I know how I’d handle it.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about that this morning. There’s plenty of military personnel in the brig for various crimes, some because they went awol for a bit. Many of them try to claim conscientious objector status. It’s not a well favored argument.
They have the burden to prove the legitimacy of their CO claim. The Major will not be able to meet his burden because he volunteered for overseas duty while Obama was president. None of the facts changed between the time he volunteered and the time he ran to the court. He will never be able to prove his claim. To the contrary, it is very apparent he pulled this entire stunt, wasted the military’s time and resources, just so him and this attorney can have their day in court.
The attorney is walking on thin ice as well. She conspired with the Major to bring a sham case into court. They chose to ignore the established military procedures that would have allowed him to back out of the deployment. She is wasting the resources of the judicial system. Personally, I would be worried about an abuse of process or malicious prosecution charge.
July 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM #431594Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Pablo: At a minimum, you can make a strong case for CUBO (Conduct Unbecoming) and probably bootstrap into an Article 15. If you really wanted to throw the book at him, go Article 32 on his ass and see if you could make a case for a GCM (General Court Martial). This is a time of war and the punishments meted out for this sort of shit are generally stiffer. Of course, in this PC age, who knows? We have to think about his “feelings” and “motivations”.
I know how I’d handle it.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about that this morning. There’s plenty of military personnel in the brig for various crimes, some because they went awol for a bit. Many of them try to claim conscientious objector status. It’s not a well favored argument.
They have the burden to prove the legitimacy of their CO claim. The Major will not be able to meet his burden because he volunteered for overseas duty while Obama was president. None of the facts changed between the time he volunteered and the time he ran to the court. He will never be able to prove his claim. To the contrary, it is very apparent he pulled this entire stunt, wasted the military’s time and resources, just so him and this attorney can have their day in court.
The attorney is walking on thin ice as well. She conspired with the Major to bring a sham case into court. They chose to ignore the established military procedures that would have allowed him to back out of the deployment. She is wasting the resources of the judicial system. Personally, I would be worried about an abuse of process or malicious prosecution charge.
July 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM #431886Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Pablo: At a minimum, you can make a strong case for CUBO (Conduct Unbecoming) and probably bootstrap into an Article 15. If you really wanted to throw the book at him, go Article 32 on his ass and see if you could make a case for a GCM (General Court Martial). This is a time of war and the punishments meted out for this sort of shit are generally stiffer. Of course, in this PC age, who knows? We have to think about his “feelings” and “motivations”.
I know how I’d handle it.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about that this morning. There’s plenty of military personnel in the brig for various crimes, some because they went awol for a bit. Many of them try to claim conscientious objector status. It’s not a well favored argument.
They have the burden to prove the legitimacy of their CO claim. The Major will not be able to meet his burden because he volunteered for overseas duty while Obama was president. None of the facts changed between the time he volunteered and the time he ran to the court. He will never be able to prove his claim. To the contrary, it is very apparent he pulled this entire stunt, wasted the military’s time and resources, just so him and this attorney can have their day in court.
The attorney is walking on thin ice as well. She conspired with the Major to bring a sham case into court. They chose to ignore the established military procedures that would have allowed him to back out of the deployment. She is wasting the resources of the judicial system. Personally, I would be worried about an abuse of process or malicious prosecution charge.
July 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM #431954Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Pablo: At a minimum, you can make a strong case for CUBO (Conduct Unbecoming) and probably bootstrap into an Article 15. If you really wanted to throw the book at him, go Article 32 on his ass and see if you could make a case for a GCM (General Court Martial). This is a time of war and the punishments meted out for this sort of shit are generally stiffer. Of course, in this PC age, who knows? We have to think about his “feelings” and “motivations”.
I know how I’d handle it.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about that this morning. There’s plenty of military personnel in the brig for various crimes, some because they went awol for a bit. Many of them try to claim conscientious objector status. It’s not a well favored argument.
They have the burden to prove the legitimacy of their CO claim. The Major will not be able to meet his burden because he volunteered for overseas duty while Obama was president. None of the facts changed between the time he volunteered and the time he ran to the court. He will never be able to prove his claim. To the contrary, it is very apparent he pulled this entire stunt, wasted the military’s time and resources, just so him and this attorney can have their day in court.
The attorney is walking on thin ice as well. She conspired with the Major to bring a sham case into court. They chose to ignore the established military procedures that would have allowed him to back out of the deployment. She is wasting the resources of the judicial system. Personally, I would be worried about an abuse of process or malicious prosecution charge.
July 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM #432115Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Pablo: At a minimum, you can make a strong case for CUBO (Conduct Unbecoming) and probably bootstrap into an Article 15. If you really wanted to throw the book at him, go Article 32 on his ass and see if you could make a case for a GCM (General Court Martial). This is a time of war and the punishments meted out for this sort of shit are generally stiffer. Of course, in this PC age, who knows? We have to think about his “feelings” and “motivations”.
I know how I’d handle it.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about that this morning. There’s plenty of military personnel in the brig for various crimes, some because they went awol for a bit. Many of them try to claim conscientious objector status. It’s not a well favored argument.
They have the burden to prove the legitimacy of their CO claim. The Major will not be able to meet his burden because he volunteered for overseas duty while Obama was president. None of the facts changed between the time he volunteered and the time he ran to the court. He will never be able to prove his claim. To the contrary, it is very apparent he pulled this entire stunt, wasted the military’s time and resources, just so him and this attorney can have their day in court.
The attorney is walking on thin ice as well. She conspired with the Major to bring a sham case into court. They chose to ignore the established military procedures that would have allowed him to back out of the deployment. She is wasting the resources of the judicial system. Personally, I would be worried about an abuse of process or malicious prosecution charge.
July 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM #431393Anonymous
Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).
July 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM #431603Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).
July 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM #431896Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).
July 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM #431964Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).
July 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM #432125Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).
July 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM #431403Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).[/quote]
Pri: Well, I wouldn’t say “glorious”, but it was an exit to be sure.
All things equal, I would definitely do things differently the next time. I’d go Navy or USAF and have them pay for either law school or a Master’s in Engineering. That Navy nuke program is the way to go. I’ve worked with some of those engineers that are now out on the civilian/private side and they are all top flight.
July 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM #431613Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).[/quote]
Pri: Well, I wouldn’t say “glorious”, but it was an exit to be sure.
All things equal, I would definitely do things differently the next time. I’d go Navy or USAF and have them pay for either law school or a Master’s in Engineering. That Navy nuke program is the way to go. I’ve worked with some of those engineers that are now out on the civilian/private side and they are all top flight.
July 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM #431906Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).[/quote]
Pri: Well, I wouldn’t say “glorious”, but it was an exit to be sure.
All things equal, I would definitely do things differently the next time. I’d go Navy or USAF and have them pay for either law school or a Master’s in Engineering. That Navy nuke program is the way to go. I’ve worked with some of those engineers that are now out on the civilian/private side and they are all top flight.
July 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM #431974Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I fully explained my circumstances and they didn’t seem to care.[/quote]
Well they are recruiters, after all!
But, no, I’ve never been approached. My neighbor who was a Marine pilot “transferred” to the Air Force reserve (full time) at the same pay grade, so I guess it does happen. (Not sure the Marines would allow a move in the other direction though…)
My exit from the military was not so glorious as yours (but it was an honorable discharge). I got out on the “hey, the war is over and Reagan commissioned way too many officers and so we have to get rid of some” ticket. I’m not ashamed to admit that my hand went up pretty quickly. A number of my peers wanted to make a career of it, but didn’t make the cut (which seemed pretty arbitrary to me).[/quote]
Pri: Well, I wouldn’t say “glorious”, but it was an exit to be sure.
All things equal, I would definitely do things differently the next time. I’d go Navy or USAF and have them pay for either law school or a Master’s in Engineering. That Navy nuke program is the way to go. I’ve worked with some of those engineers that are now out on the civilian/private side and they are all top flight.
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