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June 2, 2009 at 7:27 PM #409745June 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM #409966CoronitaParticipant
[quote=Omega Point]My guess is that foreign automakers aren’t offering as large as incentives. Plus, the sheeple circle like vultures when they hear and see the word “bankruptcy” thinking there are great deals to be had regardless if they really need or can afford a new car.
In addition, didn’t GMAC loosen their credit standards recently? Don’t know if the foreign auto makers did the same.
Now that we have Gov’t Motors I’m sure there will soon be tax breaks in perpetuity for buying their cars. The taxpayer investment will hardly stop even at $100 billion. But hey at least we’ll have small cars that get 40 mpg but gets crushed like an aluminum can in a wreck. And, we can all smile because we are “saving” the planet. Seems like a good tradeoff.
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]
You guessed right…(see link below)…I should mention that Honda did cut production such that there isn’t such a glut of inventory. You won’t be getting killer deals on Acura MDX’s this year like you were able to last year. Also Audi/VW/BMW doing the same thing. Unfortunately, some of these cars you still end up paying close to MSRP.
Ford on the other hand is on a roll. They have a decent refreshed product mix right now. And the trucks are doing pretty well. While Toyota might have their act together for passenger cars and hybrids, their trucks are POS…Search for Tundra/Tacoma and “rust problem”. Also, search Tundra “tailgate problem”. Whoever designed that flimsy tailgate should be shot.
I’d say OPEC is playing us like a yo-yo, where oil is our drug. Cheap oil -> more gas guzzlers. Than wham, higher oil prices. Not like most folks can then suddenly sell their gas guzzler for a more efficient car later…
———————Discounts, not efficiency, drive US auto sales up
Steep discounts push US auto sales to highest this year; but demand falls for fuel efficiencyDETROIT (AP) — Americans bought more cars in May than in any other month this year, drawn by fire sale prices that pushed General Motors and Chrysler’s sales above expectations despite their forays into bankruptcy protection. Overall sales were still 34 percent lower than a year ago.
But low gas prices encouraged the sale of bigger gas guzzlers while small cars stacked up on dealer lots. That could be a problem for the Obama administration, if the demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles drops just as it is forcing the U.S. auto industry to produce more of them.
“The great migration away from fuel efficiency is once again under way,” said Mike Jackson, chairman and chief executive of AutoNation Inc., the nation’s largest automotive retailer. “The price of gasoline determines the type of vehicles consumers buy. Period.”
All major automakers including Toyota and Honda posted drops from last year, with Ford Motor Co. benefiting from the financial woes of its Detroit competitors and recording the smallest decline at 24 percent.
GM and Chrysler have pegged their recoveries to fuel efficiency — Chrysler with small cars from Fiat SpA, GM with new American-built compacts and subcompacts, and both with plans for electric vehicles. It could take months of expensive gas for people to buy their new products.
Almost every small-car model saw significant drops in sales compared with May of last year, which was a record month for many models as gas headed for $4 per gallon.
Honda’s Civic was off 61 percent, Ford saw Focus sales drop 54 percent, and GM’s Chevrolet Cobalt was down 52 percent. Even Toyota’s Corolla, the perennial small-car leader, saw sales drop 55 percent.
Yet sales of Ford’s midsize Fusion jumped 9 percent, with four-cylinder engines making up 70 percent of the sales. Chevrolet’s Malibu sales were down 11 percent, a far lower decline than the rest of the market.
Jackson said gasoline price instability makes it difficult for automakers to decide what models to produce and dealers to decide which ones to stock.
“I was an idiot last July when I didn’t have enough fuel-efficient vehicles, and now I’m an idiot because I have fuel-efficient vehicles,” he said in an interview Tuesday, calling for a revenue-neutral gas tax increase to keep the price stable at $4 per gallon.
Early in the month, Honda had thousands of Civics stacked up in the lots of a closed Ford plant west of Cleveland, stored there from factories in Ohio and Canada. Many have since been shipped to dealers, the company said.
Jackson said all automakers’ small cars suffered, but Honda was hit harder as a company because it is the most fuel efficient.
“Honda is perfectly positioned for $4 per gallon gasoline and is out of favor at $2 per gallon. It becomes a headwind for them.”
Jackson said he is changing his dealers’ mix to larger vehicles, from midsize cars up to sport utilities, because that’s what people want to buy.
But George Pipas, Ford’s top sales analyst, said the trend to more efficient vehicles is continuing. Premium gasoline is back to $3 per gallon in California, said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the auto Web site Edmunds.com.
“We know the downsizing of the American vehicle has been taking place for several years and is still going on,” he said. “I think the midsize segment does have some appeal, but don’t forget fuel efficiency is still key.”
Ford said its May U.S. sales fell 24 percent from last year but rose 20 percent from April, and its share of the U.S. market rose to the highest level since 2006.
“The winner is still Ford out of all automakers in terms of their May performance and the trending so far this year,” Toprak said.
Although Chrysler’s sales were off 47 percent, the decline was about the same as it was in the months before the Auburn Hills, Mich., automaker filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The company said its sales were pulled lower because it didn’t sell to fleet buyers such as rental car companies, but retail sales to individual buyers were the best they’ve been all year.
With 789 dealers set to be severed from the company next week, many of those purchases were encouraged by deep discounts. Chrysler had the highest average incentive among automakers last month — $4,159 per vehicle, according to Edmunds.
GM, which saw its sales drop 29 percent in the month leading up to its bankruptcy protection filing on Monday, ranked second in incentives at $3,783 per vehicle. Even Honda, where sales dropped 42 percent, raised incentives to a record $1,626.
“GM and Chrysler are still outperforming our expectations by a little,” Toprak said. “It seems like the fire sale message came across pretty strong.”
But Mark LaNeve, GM’s vice president of North American sales and marketing, said GM’s incentives were the same as last May.
“We have great competitive deals out there, but with the mere fact that our incentive spending did not go up is evident that we did not, and will not, resort to fire-sale tactics due to any kind of bankruptcy proceedings or discontinued brands,” he said on a conference call with reporters and industry analysts.
AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Dan Strumpf in New York contributed to this report.
June 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM #409817CoronitaParticipant[quote=Omega Point]My guess is that foreign automakers aren’t offering as large as incentives. Plus, the sheeple circle like vultures when they hear and see the word “bankruptcy” thinking there are great deals to be had regardless if they really need or can afford a new car.
In addition, didn’t GMAC loosen their credit standards recently? Don’t know if the foreign auto makers did the same.
Now that we have Gov’t Motors I’m sure there will soon be tax breaks in perpetuity for buying their cars. The taxpayer investment will hardly stop even at $100 billion. But hey at least we’ll have small cars that get 40 mpg but gets crushed like an aluminum can in a wreck. And, we can all smile because we are “saving” the planet. Seems like a good tradeoff.
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]
You guessed right…(see link below)…I should mention that Honda did cut production such that there isn’t such a glut of inventory. You won’t be getting killer deals on Acura MDX’s this year like you were able to last year. Also Audi/VW/BMW doing the same thing. Unfortunately, some of these cars you still end up paying close to MSRP.
Ford on the other hand is on a roll. They have a decent refreshed product mix right now. And the trucks are doing pretty well. While Toyota might have their act together for passenger cars and hybrids, their trucks are POS…Search for Tundra/Tacoma and “rust problem”. Also, search Tundra “tailgate problem”. Whoever designed that flimsy tailgate should be shot.
I’d say OPEC is playing us like a yo-yo, where oil is our drug. Cheap oil -> more gas guzzlers. Than wham, higher oil prices. Not like most folks can then suddenly sell their gas guzzler for a more efficient car later…
———————Discounts, not efficiency, drive US auto sales up
Steep discounts push US auto sales to highest this year; but demand falls for fuel efficiencyDETROIT (AP) — Americans bought more cars in May than in any other month this year, drawn by fire sale prices that pushed General Motors and Chrysler’s sales above expectations despite their forays into bankruptcy protection. Overall sales were still 34 percent lower than a year ago.
But low gas prices encouraged the sale of bigger gas guzzlers while small cars stacked up on dealer lots. That could be a problem for the Obama administration, if the demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles drops just as it is forcing the U.S. auto industry to produce more of them.
“The great migration away from fuel efficiency is once again under way,” said Mike Jackson, chairman and chief executive of AutoNation Inc., the nation’s largest automotive retailer. “The price of gasoline determines the type of vehicles consumers buy. Period.”
All major automakers including Toyota and Honda posted drops from last year, with Ford Motor Co. benefiting from the financial woes of its Detroit competitors and recording the smallest decline at 24 percent.
GM and Chrysler have pegged their recoveries to fuel efficiency — Chrysler with small cars from Fiat SpA, GM with new American-built compacts and subcompacts, and both with plans for electric vehicles. It could take months of expensive gas for people to buy their new products.
Almost every small-car model saw significant drops in sales compared with May of last year, which was a record month for many models as gas headed for $4 per gallon.
Honda’s Civic was off 61 percent, Ford saw Focus sales drop 54 percent, and GM’s Chevrolet Cobalt was down 52 percent. Even Toyota’s Corolla, the perennial small-car leader, saw sales drop 55 percent.
Yet sales of Ford’s midsize Fusion jumped 9 percent, with four-cylinder engines making up 70 percent of the sales. Chevrolet’s Malibu sales were down 11 percent, a far lower decline than the rest of the market.
Jackson said gasoline price instability makes it difficult for automakers to decide what models to produce and dealers to decide which ones to stock.
“I was an idiot last July when I didn’t have enough fuel-efficient vehicles, and now I’m an idiot because I have fuel-efficient vehicles,” he said in an interview Tuesday, calling for a revenue-neutral gas tax increase to keep the price stable at $4 per gallon.
Early in the month, Honda had thousands of Civics stacked up in the lots of a closed Ford plant west of Cleveland, stored there from factories in Ohio and Canada. Many have since been shipped to dealers, the company said.
Jackson said all automakers’ small cars suffered, but Honda was hit harder as a company because it is the most fuel efficient.
“Honda is perfectly positioned for $4 per gallon gasoline and is out of favor at $2 per gallon. It becomes a headwind for them.”
Jackson said he is changing his dealers’ mix to larger vehicles, from midsize cars up to sport utilities, because that’s what people want to buy.
But George Pipas, Ford’s top sales analyst, said the trend to more efficient vehicles is continuing. Premium gasoline is back to $3 per gallon in California, said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the auto Web site Edmunds.com.
“We know the downsizing of the American vehicle has been taking place for several years and is still going on,” he said. “I think the midsize segment does have some appeal, but don’t forget fuel efficiency is still key.”
Ford said its May U.S. sales fell 24 percent from last year but rose 20 percent from April, and its share of the U.S. market rose to the highest level since 2006.
“The winner is still Ford out of all automakers in terms of their May performance and the trending so far this year,” Toprak said.
Although Chrysler’s sales were off 47 percent, the decline was about the same as it was in the months before the Auburn Hills, Mich., automaker filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The company said its sales were pulled lower because it didn’t sell to fleet buyers such as rental car companies, but retail sales to individual buyers were the best they’ve been all year.
With 789 dealers set to be severed from the company next week, many of those purchases were encouraged by deep discounts. Chrysler had the highest average incentive among automakers last month — $4,159 per vehicle, according to Edmunds.
GM, which saw its sales drop 29 percent in the month leading up to its bankruptcy protection filing on Monday, ranked second in incentives at $3,783 per vehicle. Even Honda, where sales dropped 42 percent, raised incentives to a record $1,626.
“GM and Chrysler are still outperforming our expectations by a little,” Toprak said. “It seems like the fire sale message came across pretty strong.”
But Mark LaNeve, GM’s vice president of North American sales and marketing, said GM’s incentives were the same as last May.
“We have great competitive deals out there, but with the mere fact that our incentive spending did not go up is evident that we did not, and will not, resort to fire-sale tactics due to any kind of bankruptcy proceedings or discontinued brands,” he said on a conference call with reporters and industry analysts.
AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Dan Strumpf in New York contributed to this report.
June 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM #409755CoronitaParticipant[quote=Omega Point]My guess is that foreign automakers aren’t offering as large as incentives. Plus, the sheeple circle like vultures when they hear and see the word “bankruptcy” thinking there are great deals to be had regardless if they really need or can afford a new car.
In addition, didn’t GMAC loosen their credit standards recently? Don’t know if the foreign auto makers did the same.
Now that we have Gov’t Motors I’m sure there will soon be tax breaks in perpetuity for buying their cars. The taxpayer investment will hardly stop even at $100 billion. But hey at least we’ll have small cars that get 40 mpg but gets crushed like an aluminum can in a wreck. And, we can all smile because we are “saving” the planet. Seems like a good tradeoff.
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]
You guessed right…(see link below)…I should mention that Honda did cut production such that there isn’t such a glut of inventory. You won’t be getting killer deals on Acura MDX’s this year like you were able to last year. Also Audi/VW/BMW doing the same thing. Unfortunately, some of these cars you still end up paying close to MSRP.
Ford on the other hand is on a roll. They have a decent refreshed product mix right now. And the trucks are doing pretty well. While Toyota might have their act together for passenger cars and hybrids, their trucks are POS…Search for Tundra/Tacoma and “rust problem”. Also, search Tundra “tailgate problem”. Whoever designed that flimsy tailgate should be shot.
I’d say OPEC is playing us like a yo-yo, where oil is our drug. Cheap oil -> more gas guzzlers. Than wham, higher oil prices. Not like most folks can then suddenly sell their gas guzzler for a more efficient car later…
———————Discounts, not efficiency, drive US auto sales up
Steep discounts push US auto sales to highest this year; but demand falls for fuel efficiencyDETROIT (AP) — Americans bought more cars in May than in any other month this year, drawn by fire sale prices that pushed General Motors and Chrysler’s sales above expectations despite their forays into bankruptcy protection. Overall sales were still 34 percent lower than a year ago.
But low gas prices encouraged the sale of bigger gas guzzlers while small cars stacked up on dealer lots. That could be a problem for the Obama administration, if the demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles drops just as it is forcing the U.S. auto industry to produce more of them.
“The great migration away from fuel efficiency is once again under way,” said Mike Jackson, chairman and chief executive of AutoNation Inc., the nation’s largest automotive retailer. “The price of gasoline determines the type of vehicles consumers buy. Period.”
All major automakers including Toyota and Honda posted drops from last year, with Ford Motor Co. benefiting from the financial woes of its Detroit competitors and recording the smallest decline at 24 percent.
GM and Chrysler have pegged their recoveries to fuel efficiency — Chrysler with small cars from Fiat SpA, GM with new American-built compacts and subcompacts, and both with plans for electric vehicles. It could take months of expensive gas for people to buy their new products.
Almost every small-car model saw significant drops in sales compared with May of last year, which was a record month for many models as gas headed for $4 per gallon.
Honda’s Civic was off 61 percent, Ford saw Focus sales drop 54 percent, and GM’s Chevrolet Cobalt was down 52 percent. Even Toyota’s Corolla, the perennial small-car leader, saw sales drop 55 percent.
Yet sales of Ford’s midsize Fusion jumped 9 percent, with four-cylinder engines making up 70 percent of the sales. Chevrolet’s Malibu sales were down 11 percent, a far lower decline than the rest of the market.
Jackson said gasoline price instability makes it difficult for automakers to decide what models to produce and dealers to decide which ones to stock.
“I was an idiot last July when I didn’t have enough fuel-efficient vehicles, and now I’m an idiot because I have fuel-efficient vehicles,” he said in an interview Tuesday, calling for a revenue-neutral gas tax increase to keep the price stable at $4 per gallon.
Early in the month, Honda had thousands of Civics stacked up in the lots of a closed Ford plant west of Cleveland, stored there from factories in Ohio and Canada. Many have since been shipped to dealers, the company said.
Jackson said all automakers’ small cars suffered, but Honda was hit harder as a company because it is the most fuel efficient.
“Honda is perfectly positioned for $4 per gallon gasoline and is out of favor at $2 per gallon. It becomes a headwind for them.”
Jackson said he is changing his dealers’ mix to larger vehicles, from midsize cars up to sport utilities, because that’s what people want to buy.
But George Pipas, Ford’s top sales analyst, said the trend to more efficient vehicles is continuing. Premium gasoline is back to $3 per gallon in California, said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the auto Web site Edmunds.com.
“We know the downsizing of the American vehicle has been taking place for several years and is still going on,” he said. “I think the midsize segment does have some appeal, but don’t forget fuel efficiency is still key.”
Ford said its May U.S. sales fell 24 percent from last year but rose 20 percent from April, and its share of the U.S. market rose to the highest level since 2006.
“The winner is still Ford out of all automakers in terms of their May performance and the trending so far this year,” Toprak said.
Although Chrysler’s sales were off 47 percent, the decline was about the same as it was in the months before the Auburn Hills, Mich., automaker filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The company said its sales were pulled lower because it didn’t sell to fleet buyers such as rental car companies, but retail sales to individual buyers were the best they’ve been all year.
With 789 dealers set to be severed from the company next week, many of those purchases were encouraged by deep discounts. Chrysler had the highest average incentive among automakers last month — $4,159 per vehicle, according to Edmunds.
GM, which saw its sales drop 29 percent in the month leading up to its bankruptcy protection filing on Monday, ranked second in incentives at $3,783 per vehicle. Even Honda, where sales dropped 42 percent, raised incentives to a record $1,626.
“GM and Chrysler are still outperforming our expectations by a little,” Toprak said. “It seems like the fire sale message came across pretty strong.”
But Mark LaNeve, GM’s vice president of North American sales and marketing, said GM’s incentives were the same as last May.
“We have great competitive deals out there, but with the mere fact that our incentive spending did not go up is evident that we did not, and will not, resort to fire-sale tactics due to any kind of bankruptcy proceedings or discontinued brands,” he said on a conference call with reporters and industry analysts.
AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Dan Strumpf in New York contributed to this report.
June 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM #409508CoronitaParticipant[quote=Omega Point]My guess is that foreign automakers aren’t offering as large as incentives. Plus, the sheeple circle like vultures when they hear and see the word “bankruptcy” thinking there are great deals to be had regardless if they really need or can afford a new car.
In addition, didn’t GMAC loosen their credit standards recently? Don’t know if the foreign auto makers did the same.
Now that we have Gov’t Motors I’m sure there will soon be tax breaks in perpetuity for buying their cars. The taxpayer investment will hardly stop even at $100 billion. But hey at least we’ll have small cars that get 40 mpg but gets crushed like an aluminum can in a wreck. And, we can all smile because we are “saving” the planet. Seems like a good tradeoff.
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]
You guessed right…(see link below)…I should mention that Honda did cut production such that there isn’t such a glut of inventory. You won’t be getting killer deals on Acura MDX’s this year like you were able to last year. Also Audi/VW/BMW doing the same thing. Unfortunately, some of these cars you still end up paying close to MSRP.
Ford on the other hand is on a roll. They have a decent refreshed product mix right now. And the trucks are doing pretty well. While Toyota might have their act together for passenger cars and hybrids, their trucks are POS…Search for Tundra/Tacoma and “rust problem”. Also, search Tundra “tailgate problem”. Whoever designed that flimsy tailgate should be shot.
I’d say OPEC is playing us like a yo-yo, where oil is our drug. Cheap oil -> more gas guzzlers. Than wham, higher oil prices. Not like most folks can then suddenly sell their gas guzzler for a more efficient car later…
———————Discounts, not efficiency, drive US auto sales up
Steep discounts push US auto sales to highest this year; but demand falls for fuel efficiencyDETROIT (AP) — Americans bought more cars in May than in any other month this year, drawn by fire sale prices that pushed General Motors and Chrysler’s sales above expectations despite their forays into bankruptcy protection. Overall sales were still 34 percent lower than a year ago.
But low gas prices encouraged the sale of bigger gas guzzlers while small cars stacked up on dealer lots. That could be a problem for the Obama administration, if the demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles drops just as it is forcing the U.S. auto industry to produce more of them.
“The great migration away from fuel efficiency is once again under way,” said Mike Jackson, chairman and chief executive of AutoNation Inc., the nation’s largest automotive retailer. “The price of gasoline determines the type of vehicles consumers buy. Period.”
All major automakers including Toyota and Honda posted drops from last year, with Ford Motor Co. benefiting from the financial woes of its Detroit competitors and recording the smallest decline at 24 percent.
GM and Chrysler have pegged their recoveries to fuel efficiency — Chrysler with small cars from Fiat SpA, GM with new American-built compacts and subcompacts, and both with plans for electric vehicles. It could take months of expensive gas for people to buy their new products.
Almost every small-car model saw significant drops in sales compared with May of last year, which was a record month for many models as gas headed for $4 per gallon.
Honda’s Civic was off 61 percent, Ford saw Focus sales drop 54 percent, and GM’s Chevrolet Cobalt was down 52 percent. Even Toyota’s Corolla, the perennial small-car leader, saw sales drop 55 percent.
Yet sales of Ford’s midsize Fusion jumped 9 percent, with four-cylinder engines making up 70 percent of the sales. Chevrolet’s Malibu sales were down 11 percent, a far lower decline than the rest of the market.
Jackson said gasoline price instability makes it difficult for automakers to decide what models to produce and dealers to decide which ones to stock.
“I was an idiot last July when I didn’t have enough fuel-efficient vehicles, and now I’m an idiot because I have fuel-efficient vehicles,” he said in an interview Tuesday, calling for a revenue-neutral gas tax increase to keep the price stable at $4 per gallon.
Early in the month, Honda had thousands of Civics stacked up in the lots of a closed Ford plant west of Cleveland, stored there from factories in Ohio and Canada. Many have since been shipped to dealers, the company said.
Jackson said all automakers’ small cars suffered, but Honda was hit harder as a company because it is the most fuel efficient.
“Honda is perfectly positioned for $4 per gallon gasoline and is out of favor at $2 per gallon. It becomes a headwind for them.”
Jackson said he is changing his dealers’ mix to larger vehicles, from midsize cars up to sport utilities, because that’s what people want to buy.
But George Pipas, Ford’s top sales analyst, said the trend to more efficient vehicles is continuing. Premium gasoline is back to $3 per gallon in California, said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the auto Web site Edmunds.com.
“We know the downsizing of the American vehicle has been taking place for several years and is still going on,” he said. “I think the midsize segment does have some appeal, but don’t forget fuel efficiency is still key.”
Ford said its May U.S. sales fell 24 percent from last year but rose 20 percent from April, and its share of the U.S. market rose to the highest level since 2006.
“The winner is still Ford out of all automakers in terms of their May performance and the trending so far this year,” Toprak said.
Although Chrysler’s sales were off 47 percent, the decline was about the same as it was in the months before the Auburn Hills, Mich., automaker filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The company said its sales were pulled lower because it didn’t sell to fleet buyers such as rental car companies, but retail sales to individual buyers were the best they’ve been all year.
With 789 dealers set to be severed from the company next week, many of those purchases were encouraged by deep discounts. Chrysler had the highest average incentive among automakers last month — $4,159 per vehicle, according to Edmunds.
GM, which saw its sales drop 29 percent in the month leading up to its bankruptcy protection filing on Monday, ranked second in incentives at $3,783 per vehicle. Even Honda, where sales dropped 42 percent, raised incentives to a record $1,626.
“GM and Chrysler are still outperforming our expectations by a little,” Toprak said. “It seems like the fire sale message came across pretty strong.”
But Mark LaNeve, GM’s vice president of North American sales and marketing, said GM’s incentives were the same as last May.
“We have great competitive deals out there, but with the mere fact that our incentive spending did not go up is evident that we did not, and will not, resort to fire-sale tactics due to any kind of bankruptcy proceedings or discontinued brands,” he said on a conference call with reporters and industry analysts.
AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Dan Strumpf in New York contributed to this report.
June 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM #409268CoronitaParticipant[quote=Omega Point]My guess is that foreign automakers aren’t offering as large as incentives. Plus, the sheeple circle like vultures when they hear and see the word “bankruptcy” thinking there are great deals to be had regardless if they really need or can afford a new car.
In addition, didn’t GMAC loosen their credit standards recently? Don’t know if the foreign auto makers did the same.
Now that we have Gov’t Motors I’m sure there will soon be tax breaks in perpetuity for buying their cars. The taxpayer investment will hardly stop even at $100 billion. But hey at least we’ll have small cars that get 40 mpg but gets crushed like an aluminum can in a wreck. And, we can all smile because we are “saving” the planet. Seems like a good tradeoff.
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]
You guessed right…(see link below)…I should mention that Honda did cut production such that there isn’t such a glut of inventory. You won’t be getting killer deals on Acura MDX’s this year like you were able to last year. Also Audi/VW/BMW doing the same thing. Unfortunately, some of these cars you still end up paying close to MSRP.
Ford on the other hand is on a roll. They have a decent refreshed product mix right now. And the trucks are doing pretty well. While Toyota might have their act together for passenger cars and hybrids, their trucks are POS…Search for Tundra/Tacoma and “rust problem”. Also, search Tundra “tailgate problem”. Whoever designed that flimsy tailgate should be shot.
I’d say OPEC is playing us like a yo-yo, where oil is our drug. Cheap oil -> more gas guzzlers. Than wham, higher oil prices. Not like most folks can then suddenly sell their gas guzzler for a more efficient car later…
———————Discounts, not efficiency, drive US auto sales up
Steep discounts push US auto sales to highest this year; but demand falls for fuel efficiencyDETROIT (AP) — Americans bought more cars in May than in any other month this year, drawn by fire sale prices that pushed General Motors and Chrysler’s sales above expectations despite their forays into bankruptcy protection. Overall sales were still 34 percent lower than a year ago.
But low gas prices encouraged the sale of bigger gas guzzlers while small cars stacked up on dealer lots. That could be a problem for the Obama administration, if the demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles drops just as it is forcing the U.S. auto industry to produce more of them.
“The great migration away from fuel efficiency is once again under way,” said Mike Jackson, chairman and chief executive of AutoNation Inc., the nation’s largest automotive retailer. “The price of gasoline determines the type of vehicles consumers buy. Period.”
All major automakers including Toyota and Honda posted drops from last year, with Ford Motor Co. benefiting from the financial woes of its Detroit competitors and recording the smallest decline at 24 percent.
GM and Chrysler have pegged their recoveries to fuel efficiency — Chrysler with small cars from Fiat SpA, GM with new American-built compacts and subcompacts, and both with plans for electric vehicles. It could take months of expensive gas for people to buy their new products.
Almost every small-car model saw significant drops in sales compared with May of last year, which was a record month for many models as gas headed for $4 per gallon.
Honda’s Civic was off 61 percent, Ford saw Focus sales drop 54 percent, and GM’s Chevrolet Cobalt was down 52 percent. Even Toyota’s Corolla, the perennial small-car leader, saw sales drop 55 percent.
Yet sales of Ford’s midsize Fusion jumped 9 percent, with four-cylinder engines making up 70 percent of the sales. Chevrolet’s Malibu sales were down 11 percent, a far lower decline than the rest of the market.
Jackson said gasoline price instability makes it difficult for automakers to decide what models to produce and dealers to decide which ones to stock.
“I was an idiot last July when I didn’t have enough fuel-efficient vehicles, and now I’m an idiot because I have fuel-efficient vehicles,” he said in an interview Tuesday, calling for a revenue-neutral gas tax increase to keep the price stable at $4 per gallon.
Early in the month, Honda had thousands of Civics stacked up in the lots of a closed Ford plant west of Cleveland, stored there from factories in Ohio and Canada. Many have since been shipped to dealers, the company said.
Jackson said all automakers’ small cars suffered, but Honda was hit harder as a company because it is the most fuel efficient.
“Honda is perfectly positioned for $4 per gallon gasoline and is out of favor at $2 per gallon. It becomes a headwind for them.”
Jackson said he is changing his dealers’ mix to larger vehicles, from midsize cars up to sport utilities, because that’s what people want to buy.
But George Pipas, Ford’s top sales analyst, said the trend to more efficient vehicles is continuing. Premium gasoline is back to $3 per gallon in California, said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the auto Web site Edmunds.com.
“We know the downsizing of the American vehicle has been taking place for several years and is still going on,” he said. “I think the midsize segment does have some appeal, but don’t forget fuel efficiency is still key.”
Ford said its May U.S. sales fell 24 percent from last year but rose 20 percent from April, and its share of the U.S. market rose to the highest level since 2006.
“The winner is still Ford out of all automakers in terms of their May performance and the trending so far this year,” Toprak said.
Although Chrysler’s sales were off 47 percent, the decline was about the same as it was in the months before the Auburn Hills, Mich., automaker filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The company said its sales were pulled lower because it didn’t sell to fleet buyers such as rental car companies, but retail sales to individual buyers were the best they’ve been all year.
With 789 dealers set to be severed from the company next week, many of those purchases were encouraged by deep discounts. Chrysler had the highest average incentive among automakers last month — $4,159 per vehicle, according to Edmunds.
GM, which saw its sales drop 29 percent in the month leading up to its bankruptcy protection filing on Monday, ranked second in incentives at $3,783 per vehicle. Even Honda, where sales dropped 42 percent, raised incentives to a record $1,626.
“GM and Chrysler are still outperforming our expectations by a little,” Toprak said. “It seems like the fire sale message came across pretty strong.”
But Mark LaNeve, GM’s vice president of North American sales and marketing, said GM’s incentives were the same as last May.
“We have great competitive deals out there, but with the mere fact that our incentive spending did not go up is evident that we did not, and will not, resort to fire-sale tactics due to any kind of bankruptcy proceedings or discontinued brands,” he said on a conference call with reporters and industry analysts.
AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Dan Strumpf in New York contributed to this report.
June 3, 2009 at 7:24 AM #409716
svelteParticipant[quote=rogdog]
Yeah but GM sales were down last year too when the Japanese brands were not. Remember $4 gas? Everyone was out looking for a Prius last year. Now everybody’s out looking for a bus pass.
[/quote]Thanks for making my point Rogdog. When the Japanese brands are doing well, the press shouts it from the rooftops.
When the American brands are, nary a peep.
The press is in love with the Japanese mfrs and does everything they can to toot their horn.
Case in point…article from today’s UT:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/03/1b3sales214439-car-sales-driven-may/?uniontrib
No mention of how well GM and Ford did in comparison to Honda, Toyota, Nissan.
June 3, 2009 at 7:24 AM #410175svelteParticipant[quote=rogdog]
Yeah but GM sales were down last year too when the Japanese brands were not. Remember $4 gas? Everyone was out looking for a Prius last year. Now everybody’s out looking for a bus pass.
[/quote]Thanks for making my point Rogdog. When the Japanese brands are doing well, the press shouts it from the rooftops.
When the American brands are, nary a peep.
The press is in love with the Japanese mfrs and does everything they can to toot their horn.
Case in point…article from today’s UT:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/03/1b3sales214439-car-sales-driven-may/?uniontrib
No mention of how well GM and Ford did in comparison to Honda, Toyota, Nissan.
June 3, 2009 at 7:24 AM #409477svelteParticipant[quote=rogdog]
Yeah but GM sales were down last year too when the Japanese brands were not. Remember $4 gas? Everyone was out looking for a Prius last year. Now everybody’s out looking for a bus pass.
[/quote]Thanks for making my point Rogdog. When the Japanese brands are doing well, the press shouts it from the rooftops.
When the American brands are, nary a peep.
The press is in love with the Japanese mfrs and does everything they can to toot their horn.
Case in point…article from today’s UT:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/03/1b3sales214439-car-sales-driven-may/?uniontrib
No mention of how well GM and Ford did in comparison to Honda, Toyota, Nissan.
June 3, 2009 at 7:24 AM #409962svelteParticipant[quote=rogdog]
Yeah but GM sales were down last year too when the Japanese brands were not. Remember $4 gas? Everyone was out looking for a Prius last year. Now everybody’s out looking for a bus pass.
[/quote]Thanks for making my point Rogdog. When the Japanese brands are doing well, the press shouts it from the rooftops.
When the American brands are, nary a peep.
The press is in love with the Japanese mfrs and does everything they can to toot their horn.
Case in point…article from today’s UT:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/03/1b3sales214439-car-sales-driven-may/?uniontrib
No mention of how well GM and Ford did in comparison to Honda, Toyota, Nissan.
June 3, 2009 at 7:24 AM #410024svelteParticipant[quote=rogdog]
Yeah but GM sales were down last year too when the Japanese brands were not. Remember $4 gas? Everyone was out looking for a Prius last year. Now everybody’s out looking for a bus pass.
[/quote]Thanks for making my point Rogdog. When the Japanese brands are doing well, the press shouts it from the rooftops.
When the American brands are, nary a peep.
The press is in love with the Japanese mfrs and does everything they can to toot their horn.
Case in point…article from today’s UT:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/03/1b3sales214439-car-sales-driven-may/?uniontrib
No mention of how well GM and Ford did in comparison to Honda, Toyota, Nissan.
June 3, 2009 at 7:26 AM #409721svelteParticipant[quote=Omega Point]
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]…and no doubt you’ll sit around and piss and moan about how the government spends more than it makes.
Yeah, well if we send our cash to foreign companies, thereby decreasing tax revenue at home, what do you expect?
I shake my head in amazement.
June 3, 2009 at 7:26 AM #410180svelteParticipant[quote=Omega Point]
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]…and no doubt you’ll sit around and piss and moan about how the government spends more than it makes.
Yeah, well if we send our cash to foreign companies, thereby decreasing tax revenue at home, what do you expect?
I shake my head in amazement.
June 3, 2009 at 7:26 AM #410029svelteParticipant[quote=Omega Point]
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]…and no doubt you’ll sit around and piss and moan about how the government spends more than it makes.
Yeah, well if we send our cash to foreign companies, thereby decreasing tax revenue at home, what do you expect?
I shake my head in amazement.
June 3, 2009 at 7:26 AM #409967svelteParticipant[quote=Omega Point]
Good luck Gov’t Motors and Chrysler, I will never buy one of your cars again.[/quote]…and no doubt you’ll sit around and piss and moan about how the government spends more than it makes.
Yeah, well if we send our cash to foreign companies, thereby decreasing tax revenue at home, what do you expect?
I shake my head in amazement.
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