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November 23, 2014 at 3:51 PM #780273November 23, 2014 at 5:04 PM #780274
zk
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Lol, I just sat down to take a stab on Joe and Jane Sixpack’s tax return and see zk’s latest rants and then decide to review the thread to refresh my memory:
[quote=zk]. . . bg, if you want to make me look stupid instead of yourself, try using my words instead of what you’ve been doing. I know I don’t give you much to work with, but if you’re patient it’ll probably happen for you.[/quote]
Good L@rd, zk. You’re now beginning to sound narcissistic with your last few rants.
YOU already gave me (and whoever else who wants to bite, lol) plenty to ammunition to make fun of your situation (as you describe it here) all the while vociferously berating people simply because they state here that they don’t like to be surrounded by untidiness or filth (I’m not a perfect housekeeper but I AM firmly in the FIH/brian camp).
To each his own.
[quote=zk]When I travel (I should say travelled, it’s different now that I’m married), I didn’t insist on daily room service. But I preferred it so that I didn’t have to clean. I will clean if I have to (I won’t tidy up, though, generally). I’m messy, but I’m not dirty. I don’t like cleaning, but I do it because I insist on clean. If somebody will do it for me, perfect.[/quote]
zk, you actually stated earlier in this thread that you believe it is essentially okay that you are messy, sloppy, whatever, because you don’t cheat on your spouse, you aren’t a spendthrift and aren’t a rapist or pedophile, none of which has anything to do with being clean or “tidy.” YOU yourself brought up all these attributes to compare with being a “messy person” right here on this thread! Later, above, you’ve stated here that you won’t “tidy up” (pick up after yourself) and, “If somebody will do it for (you), perfect.”
Glad you hear that you (hopefully) found a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Nevermind you can only invite half a dozen people at a time in your (expensive and expansive) back yard, can’t have a small super bowl party without a lot of grief afterwards and don’t travel anymore (due to your marital status?)
To the reader of your posts, it appears that you are clearly paying the price for having a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Whether you are paying a fair price (or not) for that service is in the eye of the beholder.
Don’t come here and talk about yourself ad nauseaum and then later backpedal in numerous paragraphs trying to defend yourself and say that someone got the wrong idea about you. Nobody did that, least of all me. You came here and did it to yourself … all without being prompted or cajoled. You even admitted here that you gave 97% in your relationship and then later backpedaled and stated you gave only ~45%. I can read your posts and surmise your situation from them just fine as can everyone else. I’ve been a lot of places in life and talked to a lot of people who have (or had) partnerships similar to what you describe yours to be here. If you have a “tacit agreement” with your partner about particular issues, that’s fine. It’s a free country.
If you’re happy, zk, then we’re all happy for you. Notice that I haven’t tried to insult you here but you have found it necessary to call me numerous names here, including “stupid,” as well as telling me, “fvck you,” which I’m assuming is another one of your defense mechanisms.
I’m about the least “emotional” one can be on this forum. As a matter of fact, the opposite can be said about me. I’ve tried on numerous occasions to inject a semblance of reality into other posters who became “emotional” (or just over-the-top “concerned”) about issues for which they were not considering all the facts and/or did not know all the facts. Two examples which come to mind would be rejecting a perfectly decent house on a perfectly decent street because of the presence of a nearby PC 290 registrant in residence or lambasting Pigg krowe (or her case or “misdeeds”) when she has not yet been tried in a court of law and has not yet had her day(s) in an administrative tribunal where her employment status will be adjudicated. There have been many other examples over the years. I’m only concerned about how the “system” actually works and how the the world works, NOT how I think it “should be.” I don’t care how the MSM has chosen to spin their latest “darling” story so it will “sell” to the (largely ignorant and complacent) public.
zk, your insults to me on this thread don’t bother me but are very telling about you. Why don’t you endeavor to just stick to the topic at hand and refrain from hurling insults at people who don’t have the same opinions that you do? The examples you gave about yourself here are fine. It’s perfectly legal to be “messy” (and have a partner who will pick up after them). We get it. OTOH, it’s okay for FIH/brian and others to consider themselves “superior” to messy people because they are clean and tidy.[/quote]
Nearly every sentence in that post contains an error or a fabrication.
Having torn many of your previous posts apart, and having seen you consistently deny that you were ever wrong, despite having just been shown (using your own words) that you were wrong, I see no use in wasting my time tearing this post apart and showing you you’re wrong again. I’m pretty sure most or all of the other members of this forum can see your errors, your lack of sense, and your ignorance. You, however, never will see them, even when somebody directly points them out to you. So, unless I get a spare hour this week, I’ll let your own foolish and uninformed words speak for themselves.
Stick to the topic at hand? How about you stick to the truth? How about you not misquote people? How about you not imply people said something when they didn’t? How about you read a thread carefully before you rant? How about you not make stuff up?
I doubt you can show me a single instance of me breaking one of the above rules. I can show dozens of instances of you breaking them just on two threads. In fact, there might be a dozen just in your last post.
Edit: I started counting, and I found a dozen before I got half way through your post.
bg, why do you feel you have to make stuff up?
November 23, 2014 at 5:42 PM #780275
CoronitaParticipantSpeaking of clutter and the art of decluttering..
..I think I failed miserably at it….
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…You know you’re having a really bad day…When you’re suppose to get something done, and none of your freaking tablets are cell phones have a freaking ounce of battery left because you haven’t charged any of them in a few days…..And then something comes up that requires to to fix something on most of them….
I think there’s a few others that I can’t find that are buried somewhere in my home or something…
I hate smartphones and tablets sometimes.I would never be caught dead buying a smartphone or tablet for personal use….I miss my Motorola Razor…
On the positive side, I guess I can run a small ebay business if I really wanted to….
Caption should be:
Top row, left to right to bottom row: iPad Mini, Nexus 9, Nexus Player, Samsung S3, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 5, Samsung S5, Samsung S4, iPad AirNot shown: iPhone 6, Samsung S4 asian version, Galaxy Note 4 asian version, Galaxy Note 4 verizon version, Nexus 7 , Nexus 7 (version 2), Nexus 6 (on order)
November 23, 2014 at 6:14 PM #780276FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=scaredyclassic]If you have kids…
20 years down the line…
They leave…
Maybe you think
Should a spent more time hanging with them…
Less time worrying about keeping cleanliness stds.[/quote]
Teach your kids good lifestyle habits. Good for them and good for you. Make up their beds with military corners.
When I grew up, different days of the week were assigned different tasks. We ate fish on Fridays and changed the bedsheets on Saturdays. I eat fish more frequently now but the routine is automatic.
It’s not about fussing over every speck of dust. But putting things away as you use them, such as putting dirty clothes in the basket in the laundry room after the shower. Don’t let it pile up on the floor. And put the wet towel on the rack, don’t throw it on the bed.
If every Saturday morning, the kids put bed linens in the laundry room for mom and dad, then the family has more time to do things together.
It actually saves time to be clean and tidy, because you don’t need to come back and clean up the mess later.
November 23, 2014 at 6:17 PM #780277Guestdo you need several ipads or several phones?
get rid of the old one when you buy something new.
November 23, 2014 at 6:27 PM #780278scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]If you have kids…
20 years down the line…
They leave…
Maybe you think
Should a spent more time hanging with them…
Less time worrying about keeping cleanliness stds.[/quote]
Teach your kids good lifestyle habits. Good for them and good for you. Make up their beds with military corners.
When I grew up, different days of the week were assigned different tasks. We ate fish on Fridays and changed the bedsheets on Saturdays. I eat fish more frequently now but the routine is automatic.
It’s not about fussing over every speck of dust. But putting things away as you use them, such as putting dirty clothes in the basket in the laundry room after the shower. Don’t let it pile up on the floor. And put the wet towel on the rack, don’t throw it on the bed.
If every Saturday morning, the kids put bed linens in the laundry room for mom and dad, then the family has more time to do things together.
It actually saves time to be clean and tidy, because you don’t need to come back and clean up the mess later.[/quote]
ah. Yeah. Good luck with that year zero thru 4. For each one. Remember there’s overlap.
also I’m sure they will all eat their veggies
November 23, 2014 at 6:30 PM #780279Guest[quote=scaredyclassic]Liberals are messy…
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/organization-and-political-leanings/%5B/quote%5D
I highly doubt that. I would challenge anyone to visit the homes of conservative voters in Oklahoma or Mississippi (the reddest of the red) and observe tidiness or the lack thereof.
One of the people I admire is Oscar Neimeyer. He was a communist and his designs were very clean and simple.
From the Greeks to the modern day, architects have said let there be light and space and the mind will flourish. People don’t pay enough attention to their living spaces. Somehow there’s a tendency to live like caveman hoarding junk.
November 23, 2014 at 7:15 PM #780280CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]do you need several ipads or several phones?
get rid of the old one when you buy something new.[/quote]
Ah yes…
For Android, there’s a need for different versions of Android… Lollipop, KitKat, Jellybean. For most cases, I can get by reflashing the phone/tablet. Not always… Then there’s the issue of Samsung’s version of KitKat isn’t exactly the same as LG’s version of KitKat..Which isn’t the same as Asus’ version 4.4 KitKat. And when I do figure out and workaround all the peculiarly, I get to repeat the fun all over when Google comes out with lollipop on their Nexus devices, with OEM’s trailing to upgrade devices afterwards..
As far as Apple….. Interesting tidbit.. Once you upgrade to say iOS 8.1, there really isn’t an easy way to downgrade back down to iOS 7.1.2 after Apple stops signing 7.1.2. Which means, you need to keep some devices on 7.1.2 for verifying compatibility while buying new devices that support 8.1…
November 23, 2014 at 8:55 PM #780281Participant[quote=flu][quote=FlyerInHi]do you need several ipads or several phones?
get rid of the old one when you buy something new.[/quote]
Ah yes…
For Android, there’s a need for different versions of Android… Lollipop, KitKat, Jellybean. For most cases, I can get by reflashing the phone/tablet. Not always… Then there’s the issue of Samsung’s version of KitKat isn’t exactly the same as LG’s version of KitKat..Which isn’t the same as Asus’ version 4.4 KitKat. And when I do figure out and workaround all the peculiarly, I get to repeat the fun all over when Google comes out with lollipop on their Nexus devices, with OEM’s trailing to upgrade devices afterwards..
As far as Apple….. Interesting tyidbit.. Once you upgrade to say iOS 8.1, there really isn’t an easy way to downgrade back down to iOS 7.1.2 after Apple stops signing 7.1.2. Which means, you need to keep some devices on 7.1.2 for verifying compatibility while buying new devices that support 8.1…[/quote]
yeah. And then if you have 3 kids with 6 devices each …
November 23, 2014 at 11:20 PM #780284njtosd
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Liberals are messy…
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/organization-and-political-leanings/%5B/quote%5D
And conservatives have a more intense response to disgust that is almost 100% correlated to their political views:
http://research.vtc.vt.edu/news/2014/oct/29/liberal-or-conservative-brain-responses-disgusting/
November 24, 2014 at 12:50 AM #780286CA renter
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
zk, [1]you actually stated earlier in this thread that you believe it is essentially okay that you are messy, sloppy, whatever, because you don’t cheat on your spouse, you aren’t a spendthrift and aren’t a rapist or pedophile, none of which has anything to do with being clean or “tidy.” YOU yourself brought up all these attributes to compare with being a “messy person” right here on this thread! [2]Later, above, you’ve stated here that you won’t “tidy up” (pick up after yourself) and, “If somebody will do it for (you), perfect.”
Glad you hear that you (hopefully) found a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Nevermind you can only invite half a dozen people at a time in your (expensive and expansive) back yard, can’t have a small super bowl party without a lot of grief afterwards and don’t travel anymore (due to your marital status?)
To the reader of your posts, it appears that you are clearly paying the price for having a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Whether you are paying a fair price (or not) for that service is in the eye of the beholder.[/quote]
He never said either #1 or #2 (in bold). These are his quotes (taken out of context, but you can go back to look at them in context on page 2).
[quote=zk]
Superior in upbringing? So a tidy person who was taught to be tidy and was sexually abused and is now a rapist or a pedophile is superior in upbringing to a person who grew up in a messy house and was taught to treat people right and is now messy but treats people well? [/quote]
He was clearly not talking about himself here, just stating that a person who is tidy and also a pedophile or rapist is obviously not superior to a messy person who treats people well and is not a predator. In other words, the person’s level of cleanliness is not necessarily an indication of their character, especially as it relates to other people.
[quote=zk]So a person who is messy but faithful to his wife and thrifty is inferior in personal discipline to one who is tidy but cheats on his wife and who can’t control his spending?[/quote]
Here, he is simply restating the point he tried to make before: that a person’s inclination toward tidiness does not prove that he/she is superior to a good person who might also be messy. In other words, you can’t necessarily judge a person’s character by their level of cleanliness.
[quote=zk]Perhaps they insisted on the clean, and the tidy just came along with it. That’s how it was for me. When I travel (I should say travelled, it’s different now that I’m married), I didn’t insist on daily room service. But I preferred it so that I didn’t have to clean. I will clean if I have to (I won’t tidy up, though, generally). I’m messy, but I’m not dirty. I don’t like cleaning, but I do it because I insist on clean. If somebody will do it for me, perfect.[/quote]
Here, it’s clear that he’s referring to traveling and staying on hotels, etc. (see page 2 for full context). He also states that he WILL clean, because he insists on cleanliness; but does not choose to tidy up when traveling.
November 24, 2014 at 1:03 AM #780287Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Lol, I just sat down to take a stab on Joe and Jane Sixpack’s tax return and see zk’s latest rants and then decide to review the thread to refresh my memory:
[quote=zk]. . . bg, if you want to make me look stupid instead of yourself, try using my words instead of what you’ve been doing. I know I don’t give you much to work with, but if you’re patient it’ll probably happen for you.[/quote]
Good L@rd, zk. You’re now beginning to sound narcissistic with your last few rants.
YOU already gave me (and whoever else who wants to bite, lol) plenty to ammunition to make fun of your situation (as you describe it here) all the while vociferously berating people simply because they state here that they don’t like to be surrounded by untidiness or filth (I’m not a perfect housekeeper but I AM firmly in the FIH/brian camp).
To each his own.
[quote=zk]When I travel (I should say travelled, it’s different now that I’m married), I didn’t insist on daily room service. But I preferred it so that I didn’t have to clean. I will clean if I have to (I won’t tidy up, though, generally). I’m messy, but I’m not dirty. I don’t like cleaning, but I do it because I insist on clean. If somebody will do it for me, perfect.[/quote]
zk, you actually stated earlier in this thread that you believe it is essentially okay that you are messy, sloppy, whatever, because you don’t cheat on your spouse, you aren’t a spendthrift and aren’t a rapist or pedophile, none of which has anything to do with being clean or “tidy.” YOU yourself brought up all these attributes to compare with being a “messy person” right here on this thread! Later, above, you’ve stated here that you won’t “tidy up” (pick up after yourself) and, “If somebody will do it for (you), perfect.”
Glad you hear that you (hopefully) found a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Nevermind you can only invite half a dozen people at a time in your (expensive and expansive) back yard, can’t have a small super bowl party without a lot of grief afterwards and don’t travel anymore (due to your marital status?)
To the reader of your posts, it appears that you are clearly paying the price for having a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Whether you are paying a fair price (or not) for that service is in the eye of the beholder.
Don’t come here and talk about yourself ad nauseaum and then later backpedal in numerous paragraphs trying to defend yourself and say that someone got the wrong idea about you. Nobody did that, least of all me. You came here and did it to yourself … all without being prompted or cajoled. You even admitted here that you gave 97% in your relationship and then later backpedaled and stated you gave only ~45%. I can read your posts and surmise your situation from them just fine as can everyone else. I’ve been a lot of places in life and talked to a lot of people who have (or had) partnerships similar to what you describe yours to be here. If you have a “tacit agreement” with your partner about particular issues, that’s fine. It’s a free country.
If you’re happy, zk, then we’re all happy for you. Notice that I haven’t tried to insult you here but you have found it necessary to call me numerous names here, including “stupid,” as well as telling me, “fvck you,” which I’m assuming is another one of your defense mechanisms.
I’m about the least “emotional” one can be on this forum. As a matter of fact, the opposite can be said about me. I’ve tried on numerous occasions to inject a semblance of reality into other posters who became “emotional” (or just over-the-top “concerned”) about issues for which they were not considering all the facts and/or did not know all the facts. Two examples which come to mind would be rejecting a perfectly decent house on a perfectly decent street because of the presence of a nearby PC 290 registrant in residence or lambasting Pigg krowe (or her case or “misdeeds”) when she has not yet been tried in a court of law and has not yet had her day(s) in an administrative tribunal where her employment status will be adjudicated. There have been many other examples over the years. I’m only concerned about how the “system” actually works and how the the world works, NOT how I think it “should be.” I don’t care how the MSM has chosen to spin their latest “darling” story so it will “sell” to the (largely ignorant and complacent) public.
zk, your insults to me on this thread don’t bother me but are very telling about you. Why don’t you endeavor to just stick to the topic at hand and refrain from hurling insults at people who don’t have the same opinions that you do? The examples you gave about yourself here are fine. It’s perfectly legal to be “messy” (and have a partner who will pick up after them). We get it. OTOH, it’s okay for FIH/brian and others to consider themselves “superior” to messy people because they are clean and tidy.[/quote]
Here are the quotes regarding zk’s cleaning habits after getting married, and how they both needed to compromise on things.
[quote=zk][quote=FlyerInHi]zk, if your wife can notice an out-of-place paper clip, and she married you, then you can’t be that bad. [/quote]
Not true. It was a massive adjustment for both of us. I’m probably 97% neater than I used to be. And for her to overlook (or clean up herself) that last 3% is probably harder for her than picking up after myself is for me (and that’s pretty hard).[/quote]It’s clear that he is NOT claiming to give 97% in the relationship (and then backpedaled to say he was giving 45%). It is very clear that he was speaking specifically about cleaning, and that his *personal* cleaning habits have “improved” by about 97%, but that the 3% that have not improved are probably harder on his wife than his changed habits are on him. He later said that he probably gives about 45% in his marriage, overall. That is VERY different than what you claim he said, BG.
[quote=zk]I managed to get permission to have a small super bowl party last year. Had about 20 or 25 people over. It took me a year to get permission, and I heard about it for a month after. Not doing that again.
So there are disadvantages. But, hey, to make a marriage work, you have to work together and compromise. I do most of the giving in this particular area, but she more than makes up for it in other areas.
So, I don’t see myself as lucky that my wife is neat. I see the advantages of it, but overall it’s not a benefit.[/quote]
Here, zk is trying (in vain) to explain to you that marriage requires sacrifices and concessions on the part of both spouses; without those, it will NOT work. I agree 100% with him on this.
November 24, 2014 at 1:15 AM #780288ParticipantHere is where he wrote about giving 35-45% in his marriage.
[quote=zk]
Yeah, thanks for the marital advice, divorced lady.
Obviously you missed this from a previous post of mine:
[quote=zk] But, hey, to make a marriage work, you have to work together and compromise. I do most of the giving in this particular area, but she more than makes up for it in other areas. [/quote]
So, no, I’m not giving 97% in our relationship. I’m probably giving 35-45% overall. My wife is stronger than I am and able to give more. My wife is an amazing woman, and I’m extremely lucky to have her. We’ve been married 18 years and I’m happier than ever. We know how to make a marriage work. But you wouldn’t know anything about that, would you, bg.
[quote=bearishgurl]WOW, zk, it looks like you may have dumped about $100K?? in your backyard so you could comfortably entertain your friends! If you don’t mind my asking, did that ~$100K come from your salary? Or maybe your spouse’s salary?? Is the property half yours (half yours and half your spouse’s)? [/quote]
I don’t see it in terms of who owns what percentage. It’s my family’s house.
[quote=bearishgurl]At the time you were dumping big bucks into your BY, were you aware that your spouse would later insist on you only being able to entertain just six people at a time? [/quote]
It was discussed at the time, and it was a point of contention. Concessions and compromises were made, many of them going my way and having nothing to do with the yard or the entertaining. We worked it out. That’s what people in successful marriages do.
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It is obvious that the 97% figure was referring specifically to the extent to which he changed his cleaning habits; he is NOT claiming to give 97% in the marriage.
BG, you have a funny way of looking at marriage and the different roles people play in their marriages…roles that they decide for themselves will work best for their particular circumstances. Every family will have different wants, needs, abilities, and contributions from the different family members. It’s not for the rest of us to judge them as long as it works for them. It’s their business, not ours.
FWIW, in almost every marriage that I know of where the couple lives like roommates (dividing up income and expenses like roommates) instead of an actual family unit, has failed or is close to failing. It shows a total lack of commitment, IMHO. In all of the strongest, happiest marriages I know, both partners think and act in terms of a unit. Successful marriages take work, and they require both people to think of each other as their #1 advocate, partner, and team member in life. An adversarial arrangement (mine vs yours) sets up the marriage for failure, IMO.
November 24, 2014 at 1:31 AM #780290Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
zk, your insults to me on this thread don’t bother me but are very telling about you. Why don’t you endeavor to just stick to the topic at hand and refrain from hurling insults at people who don’t have the same opinions that you do? The examples you gave about yourself here are fine. It’s perfectly legal to be “messy” (and have a partner who will pick up after them). We get it. OTOH, it’s okay for FIH/brian and others to consider themselves “superior” to messy people because they are clean and tidy.[/quote]
What about when you insult people because they don’t share your same priorities regarding housing choices, family characteristics, etc.
Things like this little nugget…
[quote=bearishgurl]
There was a recent discussion here about how “valuable” SAHP’s are to society. I do understand that there are some very good household managers out there but in my experience, I have seen more SAHP’s do little to nothing to “earn their keep” than ones that do (except spend money). This isn’t to negate in any way, shape or form that personal choice, but I just haven’t seen any really spectacular household mgrs who are SAHP’s. On the other hand, I’ve seen several GREAT household mgrs who had full time careers while raising children (that doesn’t mean they did everything themselves).
[/quote]
Talk about insulting, ignorant stereotyping. So the majority of SAHPs have messy houses, don’t work, and just spend their family’s money?!? I can show you the exact opposite all day long. This is truly the sort of ignorant ranting of yours that gets my blood boiling.
Still waiting for those numbers to show how the second income-earner in a household is making a positive income (which you seem to think is the most important thing a parent can do, and the only valuable contribution a parent/spouse can make), especially when small children (or even elderly parents/chronically ill family members) are involved.
November 24, 2014 at 2:57 AM #780294CoronitaParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=flu][quote=FlyerInHi]do you need several ipads or several phones?
get rid of the old one when you buy something new.[/quote]
Ah yes…
For Android, there’s a need for different versions of Android… Lollipop, KitKat, Jellybean. For most cases, I can get by reflashing the phone/tablet. Not always… Then there’s the issue of Samsung’s version of KitKat isn’t exactly the same as LG’s version of KitKat..Which isn’t the same as Asus’ version 4.4 KitKat. And when I do figure out and workaround all the peculiarly, I get to repeat the fun all over when Google comes out with lollipop on their Nexus devices, with OEM’s trailing to upgrade devices afterwards..
As far as Apple….. Interesting tyidbit.. Once you upgrade to say iOS 8.1, there really isn’t an easy way to downgrade back down to iOS 7.1.2 after Apple stops signing 7.1.2. Which means, you need to keep some devices on 7.1.2 for verifying compatibility while buying new devices that support 8.1…[/quote]
yeah. And then if you have 3 kids with 6 devices each …[/quote]
Which is exactly why I stopped at 1 🙂
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