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September 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM #456675September 14, 2009 at 7:22 AM #456328svelteParticipant
[quote=ucodegen]
Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:
A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.
If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.[/quote]
I think you missed the point of my post, ucode and flu.
There were armchair quarterbacks on this thread who made the assumption that he could not have been using the brakes (one surmised that he had his foot on the gas instead) because the vehicle did not stop.
The point of my post was that yes indeed he had his foot on the brake and here’s proof. Making assumptions similar to “well I’ve tried it and it can’t be done” is a very dangerous thing.
September 14, 2009 at 7:22 AM #456520svelteParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:
A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.
If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.[/quote]
I think you missed the point of my post, ucode and flu.
There were armchair quarterbacks on this thread who made the assumption that he could not have been using the brakes (one surmised that he had his foot on the gas instead) because the vehicle did not stop.
The point of my post was that yes indeed he had his foot on the brake and here’s proof. Making assumptions similar to “well I’ve tried it and it can’t be done” is a very dangerous thing.
September 14, 2009 at 7:22 AM #456861svelteParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:
A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.
If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.[/quote]
I think you missed the point of my post, ucode and flu.
There were armchair quarterbacks on this thread who made the assumption that he could not have been using the brakes (one surmised that he had his foot on the gas instead) because the vehicle did not stop.
The point of my post was that yes indeed he had his foot on the brake and here’s proof. Making assumptions similar to “well I’ve tried it and it can’t be done” is a very dangerous thing.
September 14, 2009 at 7:22 AM #456930svelteParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:
A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.
If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.[/quote]
I think you missed the point of my post, ucode and flu.
There were armchair quarterbacks on this thread who made the assumption that he could not have been using the brakes (one surmised that he had his foot on the gas instead) because the vehicle did not stop.
The point of my post was that yes indeed he had his foot on the brake and here’s proof. Making assumptions similar to “well I’ve tried it and it can’t be done” is a very dangerous thing.
September 14, 2009 at 7:22 AM #457123svelteParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:
A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.
If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.[/quote]
I think you missed the point of my post, ucode and flu.
There were armchair quarterbacks on this thread who made the assumption that he could not have been using the brakes (one surmised that he had his foot on the gas instead) because the vehicle did not stop.
The point of my post was that yes indeed he had his foot on the brake and here’s proof. Making assumptions similar to “well I’ve tried it and it can’t be done” is a very dangerous thing.
September 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM #456418ucodegen
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Nope.. we got the point of your post.. and pointed out the weakness of it. How about trying it for yourself and seeing what happens? Brakes smoke, not burn or burst into flames. You also missed my statement:If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite…
We didn’t deny that he had the foot on the brakes.. but pointed out that there were at least 2 other ways to stop the vehicle.. neutral and turning it off. Having smoking brakes led me to suspect that the officer used the brakes to keep the vehicle at the speed limit until he overheated them.. instead of immediately stopping because the vehicle was not behaving safely (and as a safety officer no less). Had he used the brakes to stop the car when it started to have the run-away acceleration, it would have worked. If he had used the brakes to maintain speed – he would have overheated them to the point that they would be useless (like riding the brakes down a long mountain road instead of downshifting – at some point the brakes overheat to the point that they will not work).
If a car has ‘runaway acceleration’, you have to commit to stopping it instead of hoping to ride your brakes until you get home.
September 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM #456613Participant@svelte
Nope.. we got the point of your post.. and pointed out the weakness of it. How about trying it for yourself and seeing what happens? Brakes smoke, not burn or burst into flames. You also missed my statement:If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite…
We didn’t deny that he had the foot on the brakes.. but pointed out that there were at least 2 other ways to stop the vehicle.. neutral and turning it off. Having smoking brakes led me to suspect that the officer used the brakes to keep the vehicle at the speed limit until he overheated them.. instead of immediately stopping because the vehicle was not behaving safely (and as a safety officer no less). Had he used the brakes to stop the car when it started to have the run-away acceleration, it would have worked. If he had used the brakes to maintain speed – he would have overheated them to the point that they would be useless (like riding the brakes down a long mountain road instead of downshifting – at some point the brakes overheat to the point that they will not work).
If a car has ‘runaway acceleration’, you have to commit to stopping it instead of hoping to ride your brakes until you get home.
September 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM #456951Participant@svelte
Nope.. we got the point of your post.. and pointed out the weakness of it. How about trying it for yourself and seeing what happens? Brakes smoke, not burn or burst into flames. You also missed my statement:If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite…
We didn’t deny that he had the foot on the brakes.. but pointed out that there were at least 2 other ways to stop the vehicle.. neutral and turning it off. Having smoking brakes led me to suspect that the officer used the brakes to keep the vehicle at the speed limit until he overheated them.. instead of immediately stopping because the vehicle was not behaving safely (and as a safety officer no less). Had he used the brakes to stop the car when it started to have the run-away acceleration, it would have worked. If he had used the brakes to maintain speed – he would have overheated them to the point that they would be useless (like riding the brakes down a long mountain road instead of downshifting – at some point the brakes overheat to the point that they will not work).
If a car has ‘runaway acceleration’, you have to commit to stopping it instead of hoping to ride your brakes until you get home.
September 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM #457023Participant@svelte
Nope.. we got the point of your post.. and pointed out the weakness of it. How about trying it for yourself and seeing what happens? Brakes smoke, not burn or burst into flames. You also missed my statement:If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite…
We didn’t deny that he had the foot on the brakes.. but pointed out that there were at least 2 other ways to stop the vehicle.. neutral and turning it off. Having smoking brakes led me to suspect that the officer used the brakes to keep the vehicle at the speed limit until he overheated them.. instead of immediately stopping because the vehicle was not behaving safely (and as a safety officer no less). Had he used the brakes to stop the car when it started to have the run-away acceleration, it would have worked. If he had used the brakes to maintain speed – he would have overheated them to the point that they would be useless (like riding the brakes down a long mountain road instead of downshifting – at some point the brakes overheat to the point that they will not work).
If a car has ‘runaway acceleration’, you have to commit to stopping it instead of hoping to ride your brakes until you get home.
September 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM #457216Participant@svelte
Nope.. we got the point of your post.. and pointed out the weakness of it. How about trying it for yourself and seeing what happens? Brakes smoke, not burn or burst into flames. You also missed my statement:If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite…
We didn’t deny that he had the foot on the brakes.. but pointed out that there were at least 2 other ways to stop the vehicle.. neutral and turning it off. Having smoking brakes led me to suspect that the officer used the brakes to keep the vehicle at the speed limit until he overheated them.. instead of immediately stopping because the vehicle was not behaving safely (and as a safety officer no less). Had he used the brakes to stop the car when it started to have the run-away acceleration, it would have worked. If he had used the brakes to maintain speed – he would have overheated them to the point that they would be useless (like riding the brakes down a long mountain road instead of downshifting – at some point the brakes overheat to the point that they will not work).
If a car has ‘runaway acceleration’, you have to commit to stopping it instead of hoping to ride your brakes until you get home.
September 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM #458194Anonymous
GuestI have Lexus GS300 2006, always pushing to limit (past tense), actually computer learned eratic driving patterns in shifting etc… not allowing to up shift, lost ABS control several times car lots power very dangerous to drive learned the hard way- spun it out on aceleration entering lane traffic, 0-50 (wet weather could get out of skid)very quickly into side spin let off acelerator car kept accelerating for a small moment, tried to get out of spin,luckly ended up going backwards- hit brakes- hit enbankment with rear car. not hurt more my pride.
Took lexus several months to learn new program to keep it from doing same.
Also have had mat lean just a bit on accelerator, once- you press pedal down will continue accelaration, pivotal pedal attatch to floor less movement to hold in place. Yank matt out ok. only driver can reach not much space between legs and center counsel.
Never drive when ABS light is on computer for anti skid cannot compensate.
Still love driving it, just don’t push it any more.
No rev governor easy to red line in any gear, only limit is motors power and easy to take to 140mph.
This is their smallest V6 made in ’06. now comes larger v6 and v8. cannot imagine power.
September 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM #458385GuestI have Lexus GS300 2006, always pushing to limit (past tense), actually computer learned eratic driving patterns in shifting etc… not allowing to up shift, lost ABS control several times car lots power very dangerous to drive learned the hard way- spun it out on aceleration entering lane traffic, 0-50 (wet weather could get out of skid)very quickly into side spin let off acelerator car kept accelerating for a small moment, tried to get out of spin,luckly ended up going backwards- hit brakes- hit enbankment with rear car. not hurt more my pride.
Took lexus several months to learn new program to keep it from doing same.
Also have had mat lean just a bit on accelerator, once- you press pedal down will continue accelaration, pivotal pedal attatch to floor less movement to hold in place. Yank matt out ok. only driver can reach not much space between legs and center counsel.
Never drive when ABS light is on computer for anti skid cannot compensate.
Still love driving it, just don’t push it any more.
No rev governor easy to red line in any gear, only limit is motors power and easy to take to 140mph.
This is their smallest V6 made in ’06. now comes larger v6 and v8. cannot imagine power.
September 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM #458719GuestI have Lexus GS300 2006, always pushing to limit (past tense), actually computer learned eratic driving patterns in shifting etc… not allowing to up shift, lost ABS control several times car lots power very dangerous to drive learned the hard way- spun it out on aceleration entering lane traffic, 0-50 (wet weather could get out of skid)very quickly into side spin let off acelerator car kept accelerating for a small moment, tried to get out of spin,luckly ended up going backwards- hit brakes- hit enbankment with rear car. not hurt more my pride.
Took lexus several months to learn new program to keep it from doing same.
Also have had mat lean just a bit on accelerator, once- you press pedal down will continue accelaration, pivotal pedal attatch to floor less movement to hold in place. Yank matt out ok. only driver can reach not much space between legs and center counsel.
Never drive when ABS light is on computer for anti skid cannot compensate.
Still love driving it, just don’t push it any more.
No rev governor easy to red line in any gear, only limit is motors power and easy to take to 140mph.
This is their smallest V6 made in ’06. now comes larger v6 and v8. cannot imagine power.
September 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM #458788GuestI have Lexus GS300 2006, always pushing to limit (past tense), actually computer learned eratic driving patterns in shifting etc… not allowing to up shift, lost ABS control several times car lots power very dangerous to drive learned the hard way- spun it out on aceleration entering lane traffic, 0-50 (wet weather could get out of skid)very quickly into side spin let off acelerator car kept accelerating for a small moment, tried to get out of spin,luckly ended up going backwards- hit brakes- hit enbankment with rear car. not hurt more my pride.
Took lexus several months to learn new program to keep it from doing same.
Also have had mat lean just a bit on accelerator, once- you press pedal down will continue accelaration, pivotal pedal attatch to floor less movement to hold in place. Yank matt out ok. only driver can reach not much space between legs and center counsel.
Never drive when ABS light is on computer for anti skid cannot compensate.
Still love driving it, just don’t push it any more.
No rev governor easy to red line in any gear, only limit is motors power and easy to take to 140mph.
This is their smallest V6 made in ’06. now comes larger v6 and v8. cannot imagine power.
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