OT: Lexus – Unsafe at any speed?

[temeculaguy]

From what I can tell in the article the dealer left recalled floor mats in the loaner, that isn’t going to go well for them in court. He even had his flashers on while it was defeating the brakes as evidenced by the preliminary investigation. If I owned a sign company I would already be making signs for the saylor family trust lexus of el cajon, cause bob baker will be lucky if they only win one of his dealerships in court. Might as well start the saylor family trust auto group formerly known as bob baker auto group signs.

[svelte]

“In most cars, the brakes will be able to stop the car even when the engine is trying to accelerate. The exception might be with a car having more than 600hp.. but those usually have even better brakes.”

“Something did but I don’t think that it was a stuck accelerator. I just keep coming back to the point that you can’t overcome the brakes on a modern car.”

“slam on your brakes while stomping down on the accelerator. Brakes win.”

Okay, time for the Piggs who made the above comments to eat some crow. From today’s article:

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

[svelte]

“In most cars, the brakes will be able to stop the car even when the engine is trying to accelerate. The exception might be with a car having more than 600hp.. but those usually have even better brakes.”

“Something did but I don’t think that it was a stuck accelerator. I just keep coming back to the point that you can’t overcome the brakes on a modern car.”

“slam on your brakes while stomping down on the accelerator. Brakes win.”

Okay, time for the Piggs who made the above comments to eat some crow. From today’s article:

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

[svelte]

“In most cars, the brakes will be able to stop the car even when the engine is trying to accelerate. The exception might be with a car having more than 600hp.. but those usually have even better brakes.”

“Something did but I don’t think that it was a stuck accelerator. I just keep coming back to the point that you can’t overcome the brakes on a modern car.”

“slam on your brakes while stomping down on the accelerator. Brakes win.”

Okay, time for the Piggs who made the above comments to eat some crow. From today’s article:

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

[svelte]

“In most cars, the brakes will be able to stop the car even when the engine is trying to accelerate. The exception might be with a car having more than 600hp.. but those usually have even better brakes.”

“Something did but I don’t think that it was a stuck accelerator. I just keep coming back to the point that you can’t overcome the brakes on a modern car.”

“slam on your brakes while stomping down on the accelerator. Brakes win.”

Okay, time for the Piggs who made the above comments to eat some crow. From today’s article:

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

[svelte]

“In most cars, the brakes will be able to stop the car even when the engine is trying to accelerate. The exception might be with a car having more than 600hp.. but those usually have even better brakes.”

“Something did but I don’t think that it was a stuck accelerator. I just keep coming back to the point that you can’t overcome the brakes on a modern car.”

“slam on your brakes while stomping down on the accelerator. Brakes win.”

Okay, time for the Piggs who made the above comments to eat some crow. From today’s article:

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

[Coronita]

Still doesn’t explain why the dude didn’t shift into neutral. Maybe he just freaked out when it happened, but the ES doesn’t come with an electronically controlled shifter.

Second, I wonder why the 911 dispatcher didn’t suggest the same thing.

I guess at this point it’s easier to play sideline coaching, but I would hope that 911 dispatchers would be trained to deal with some of these simple things.

I guess using the parking brake to try to slow would have been fruitless if the entire brakes were faded/inoperative, not to mention it would have been virtually impossible in the es350, considering i believe the parking brake is electronically controlled (stupid imho).

Unrelated note…Why people buy BMW 7 series with an idrive system is beyond me.

[Coronita]

Still doesn’t explain why the dude didn’t shift into neutral. Maybe he just freaked out when it happened, but the ES doesn’t come with an electronically controlled shifter.

Second, I wonder why the 911 dispatcher didn’t suggest the same thing.

I guess at this point it’s easier to play sideline coaching, but I would hope that 911 dispatchers would be trained to deal with some of these simple things.

I guess using the parking brake to try to slow would have been fruitless if the entire brakes were faded/inoperative, not to mention it would have been virtually impossible in the es350, considering i believe the parking brake is electronically controlled (stupid imho).

Unrelated note…Why people buy BMW 7 series with an idrive system is beyond me.

[Coronita]

Still doesn’t explain why the dude didn’t shift into neutral. Maybe he just freaked out when it happened, but the ES doesn’t come with an electronically controlled shifter.

Second, I wonder why the 911 dispatcher didn’t suggest the same thing.

I guess at this point it’s easier to play sideline coaching, but I would hope that 911 dispatchers would be trained to deal with some of these simple things.

I guess using the parking brake to try to slow would have been fruitless if the entire brakes were faded/inoperative, not to mention it would have been virtually impossible in the es350, considering i believe the parking brake is electronically controlled (stupid imho).

Unrelated note…Why people buy BMW 7 series with an idrive system is beyond me.

[Coronita]

Still doesn’t explain why the dude didn’t shift into neutral. Maybe he just freaked out when it happened, but the ES doesn’t come with an electronically controlled shifter.

Second, I wonder why the 911 dispatcher didn’t suggest the same thing.

I guess at this point it’s easier to play sideline coaching, but I would hope that 911 dispatchers would be trained to deal with some of these simple things.

I guess using the parking brake to try to slow would have been fruitless if the entire brakes were faded/inoperative, not to mention it would have been virtually impossible in the es350, considering i believe the parking brake is electronically controlled (stupid imho).

Unrelated note…Why people buy BMW 7 series with an idrive system is beyond me.

[Coronita]

Still doesn’t explain why the dude didn’t shift into neutral. Maybe he just freaked out when it happened, but the ES doesn’t come with an electronically controlled shifter.

Second, I wonder why the 911 dispatcher didn’t suggest the same thing.

I guess at this point it’s easier to play sideline coaching, but I would hope that 911 dispatchers would be trained to deal with some of these simple things.

I guess using the parking brake to try to slow would have been fruitless if the entire brakes were faded/inoperative, not to mention it would have been virtually impossible in the es350, considering i believe the parking brake is electronically controlled (stupid imho).

Unrelated note…Why people buy BMW 7 series with an idrive system is beyond me.

[ucodegen]

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

Quite theatrical, sounds like something Hollywood would write.. problem is that the brake material will withstand a very high temperature, and will smoke instead of bursting into flames. Most brake fluid except DOT-6 will boil before the brakes get to the temperature that they would ignite. Also realize that an ES 350 is a 3.5 litre V6… not a V8 and it is not even turbocharged. In addition, the front disks will get considerably hotter than the rear (brake bias).

As just previously posted too… how about neutral. And I add.. how about off? How about trying the test yourself and seeing if it works or not.

Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:

A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.

Linky

If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.

[ucodegen]

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

Quite theatrical, sounds like something Hollywood would write.. problem is that the brake material will withstand a very high temperature, and will smoke instead of bursting into flames. Most brake fluid except DOT-6 will boil before the brakes get to the temperature that they would ignite. Also realize that an ES 350 is a 3.5 litre V6… not a V8 and it is not even turbocharged. In addition, the front disks will get considerably hotter than the rear (brake bias).

As just previously posted too… how about neutral. And I add.. how about off? How about trying the test yourself and seeing if it works or not.

Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:

A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.

Linky

If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.

[ucodegen]

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

Quite theatrical, sounds like something Hollywood would write.. problem is that the brake material will withstand a very high temperature, and will smoke instead of bursting into flames. Most brake fluid except DOT-6 will boil before the brakes get to the temperature that they would ignite. Also realize that an ES 350 is a 3.5 litre V6… not a V8 and it is not even turbocharged. In addition, the front disks will get considerably hotter than the rear (brake bias).

As just previously posted too… how about neutral. And I add.. how about off? How about trying the test yourself and seeing if it works or not.

Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:

A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.

Linky

If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.

[ucodegen]

Witnesses saw flames coming from the front and rear tires of the speeding 2009 Lexus ES 350 before it crashed Aug. 28 in Santee, suggesting “long, constant heavy braking,” said Sgt. Scott Hill, the lead sheriff’s investigator.

…

Hill said the evidence shows that there was prolonged “heavy, heavy, hard braking.”
“He did everything he could to stop that car,” he said.

Quite theatrical, sounds like something Hollywood would write.. problem is that the brake material will withstand a very high temperature, and will smoke instead of bursting into flames. Most brake fluid except DOT-6 will boil before the brakes get to the temperature that they would ignite. Also realize that an ES 350 is a 3.5 litre V6… not a V8 and it is not even turbocharged. In addition, the front disks will get considerably hotter than the rear (brake bias).

As just previously posted too… how about neutral. And I add.. how about off? How about trying the test yourself and seeing if it works or not.

Someone also left out one of the statements on the same posting:

A preliminary investigation into the fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members indicates it may have been caused by an accelerator trapped by a floor mat, said Sheriff’s Department officials.

Linky

If you have run-away acceleration and decide to use the brakes to maintain speed but not stop the vehicle, you can fade them to nothing.. but they will smoke and not ignite… and you may have boiled the brake fluid which means you will have a very spongy feeling brake with almost no resistance.. but not ignition.

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