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August 30, 2011 at 8:53 PM #727601August 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM #726397
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Participant[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Plenty of ex-vegans who went Paleo. It’s very difficult to get enough fat in the diet eating Vegan, and many studies are pointing to Soy Protein as being a very unhealthy choice. My hippie best friend from Child-hood went to Santa Cruz living the Vegan dream, and had enormous gut issues after about 15 years.
At the other extreme there is a whole web site of folks who are apparently fairly healthy eating 1 1.5 lb. Ribeye steak per day and nothing else. Seems unusual but they make it work. Paleo tries to get more veggies, nuts etc. into the mix.
I am down 25 basically just not eating sugar, bread, pasta, and limiting fruit to maybe 3 servings per week. I am not rigidly Paleo, because while I have eliminated grains, I still have some dairy.
One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.
August 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM #726483Participant[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Plenty of ex-vegans who went Paleo. It’s very difficult to get enough fat in the diet eating Vegan, and many studies are pointing to Soy Protein as being a very unhealthy choice. My hippie best friend from Child-hood went to Santa Cruz living the Vegan dream, and had enormous gut issues after about 15 years.
At the other extreme there is a whole web site of folks who are apparently fairly healthy eating 1 1.5 lb. Ribeye steak per day and nothing else. Seems unusual but they make it work. Paleo tries to get more veggies, nuts etc. into the mix.
I am down 25 basically just not eating sugar, bread, pasta, and limiting fruit to maybe 3 servings per week. I am not rigidly Paleo, because while I have eliminated grains, I still have some dairy.
One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.
August 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM #727084Participant[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Plenty of ex-vegans who went Paleo. It’s very difficult to get enough fat in the diet eating Vegan, and many studies are pointing to Soy Protein as being a very unhealthy choice. My hippie best friend from Child-hood went to Santa Cruz living the Vegan dream, and had enormous gut issues after about 15 years.
At the other extreme there is a whole web site of folks who are apparently fairly healthy eating 1 1.5 lb. Ribeye steak per day and nothing else. Seems unusual but they make it work. Paleo tries to get more veggies, nuts etc. into the mix.
I am down 25 basically just not eating sugar, bread, pasta, and limiting fruit to maybe 3 servings per week. I am not rigidly Paleo, because while I have eliminated grains, I still have some dairy.
One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.
August 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM #727242Participant[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Plenty of ex-vegans who went Paleo. It’s very difficult to get enough fat in the diet eating Vegan, and many studies are pointing to Soy Protein as being a very unhealthy choice. My hippie best friend from Child-hood went to Santa Cruz living the Vegan dream, and had enormous gut issues after about 15 years.
At the other extreme there is a whole web site of folks who are apparently fairly healthy eating 1 1.5 lb. Ribeye steak per day and nothing else. Seems unusual but they make it work. Paleo tries to get more veggies, nuts etc. into the mix.
I am down 25 basically just not eating sugar, bread, pasta, and limiting fruit to maybe 3 servings per week. I am not rigidly Paleo, because while I have eliminated grains, I still have some dairy.
One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.
August 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM #727610Participant[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Plenty of ex-vegans who went Paleo. It’s very difficult to get enough fat in the diet eating Vegan, and many studies are pointing to Soy Protein as being a very unhealthy choice. My hippie best friend from Child-hood went to Santa Cruz living the Vegan dream, and had enormous gut issues after about 15 years.
At the other extreme there is a whole web site of folks who are apparently fairly healthy eating 1 1.5 lb. Ribeye steak per day and nothing else. Seems unusual but they make it work. Paleo tries to get more veggies, nuts etc. into the mix.
I am down 25 basically just not eating sugar, bread, pasta, and limiting fruit to maybe 3 servings per week. I am not rigidly Paleo, because while I have eliminated grains, I still have some dairy.
One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.
August 30, 2011 at 9:30 PM #726407CA renter
Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]HOLD ON HERE!
how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???
We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.
People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.
Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.[/quote]
You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.
August 30, 2011 at 9:30 PM #726492Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]HOLD ON HERE!
how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???
We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.
People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.
Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.[/quote]
You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.
August 30, 2011 at 9:30 PM #727094Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]HOLD ON HERE!
how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???
We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.
People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.
Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.[/quote]
You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.
August 30, 2011 at 9:30 PM #727252Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]HOLD ON HERE!
how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???
We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.
People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.
Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.[/quote]
You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.
August 30, 2011 at 9:30 PM #727620Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]HOLD ON HERE!
how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???
We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.
People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.
Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.[/quote]
You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.
August 30, 2011 at 9:35 PM #726413Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso][quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.
My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.
There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]
Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?[/quote]
They are young. I agree it is too early to say they will be healthy around food choices and the very related drug and alcohol consumption. The oldest is 8 he seems to indicate that he wants to continue making decent choices and so does the seven year old.My kids aren’t banned from anything. They go to birthday parties and choose from what is available, and we all know that isn’t going to make for a great nutrition day. I have seen them self-moderate some in these situations.
I don’t want them to be anxious and seriously conflicted to the point that they get eating disorders. It’s important to have a sense of humor and ability to get off track a little and recover, as opposed to go straight off a cliff.
I am exaggerating a little with the health food stuff…not too much.We have deserts and roast marshmallows and things like that too. It is not easy all the time.I am just trying to answer the helplessness people frequently seem to display..being busy equals McDonalds or some other crappy habitual eating experiences.[/quote]
Agreed, and also fast food doesn’t have to be Mcdonalds. My kids actually prefer Subway.[/quote]
You can also get salads, fruit (apples), yogurt, etc. at McDonald’s. It’s best to let them go to these places and choose the right foods than to forbid them altogether, IMHO.
August 30, 2011 at 9:35 PM #726497Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso][quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.
My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.
There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]
Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?[/quote]
They are young. I agree it is too early to say they will be healthy around food choices and the very related drug and alcohol consumption. The oldest is 8 he seems to indicate that he wants to continue making decent choices and so does the seven year old.My kids aren’t banned from anything. They go to birthday parties and choose from what is available, and we all know that isn’t going to make for a great nutrition day. I have seen them self-moderate some in these situations.
I don’t want them to be anxious and seriously conflicted to the point that they get eating disorders. It’s important to have a sense of humor and ability to get off track a little and recover, as opposed to go straight off a cliff.
I am exaggerating a little with the health food stuff…not too much.We have deserts and roast marshmallows and things like that too. It is not easy all the time.I am just trying to answer the helplessness people frequently seem to display..being busy equals McDonalds or some other crappy habitual eating experiences.[/quote]
Agreed, and also fast food doesn’t have to be Mcdonalds. My kids actually prefer Subway.[/quote]
You can also get salads, fruit (apples), yogurt, etc. at McDonald’s. It’s best to let them go to these places and choose the right foods than to forbid them altogether, IMHO.
August 30, 2011 at 9:35 PM #727101Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso][quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.
My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.
There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]
Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?[/quote]
They are young. I agree it is too early to say they will be healthy around food choices and the very related drug and alcohol consumption. The oldest is 8 he seems to indicate that he wants to continue making decent choices and so does the seven year old.My kids aren’t banned from anything. They go to birthday parties and choose from what is available, and we all know that isn’t going to make for a great nutrition day. I have seen them self-moderate some in these situations.
I don’t want them to be anxious and seriously conflicted to the point that they get eating disorders. It’s important to have a sense of humor and ability to get off track a little and recover, as opposed to go straight off a cliff.
I am exaggerating a little with the health food stuff…not too much.We have deserts and roast marshmallows and things like that too. It is not easy all the time.I am just trying to answer the helplessness people frequently seem to display..being busy equals McDonalds or some other crappy habitual eating experiences.[/quote]
Agreed, and also fast food doesn’t have to be Mcdonalds. My kids actually prefer Subway.[/quote]
You can also get salads, fruit (apples), yogurt, etc. at McDonald’s. It’s best to let them go to these places and choose the right foods than to forbid them altogether, IMHO.
August 30, 2011 at 9:35 PM #727257Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso][quote=outtamojo][quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.
My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.
There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]
Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?[/quote]
They are young. I agree it is too early to say they will be healthy around food choices and the very related drug and alcohol consumption. The oldest is 8 he seems to indicate that he wants to continue making decent choices and so does the seven year old.My kids aren’t banned from anything. They go to birthday parties and choose from what is available, and we all know that isn’t going to make for a great nutrition day. I have seen them self-moderate some in these situations.
I don’t want them to be anxious and seriously conflicted to the point that they get eating disorders. It’s important to have a sense of humor and ability to get off track a little and recover, as opposed to go straight off a cliff.
I am exaggerating a little with the health food stuff…not too much.We have deserts and roast marshmallows and things like that too. It is not easy all the time.I am just trying to answer the helplessness people frequently seem to display..being busy equals McDonalds or some other crappy habitual eating experiences.[/quote]
Agreed, and also fast food doesn’t have to be Mcdonalds. My kids actually prefer Subway.[/quote]
You can also get salads, fruit (apples), yogurt, etc. at McDonald’s. It’s best to let them go to these places and choose the right foods than to forbid them altogether, IMHO.
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