OT: Frustated hiring here

[sdcellar]

Not apps, my friend, not apps. And that includes the built-in apps as well.

It’ll pay the bills, but the iPhone and Blackberry pretty much ate everybody else’s lunch. Most apps on other phones are just noise. If you’re lucky, you’re working on something that competes with those (Palm Pre comes to mind). If not, you better send your resume over to flu.

[barnaby33]

Ah yes the age old lament of the employer who doesn’t want to pay for pre-trained talent and doesn’t want to pay for training. I know it well.

As to talent not being available, it always is at the right price. It just may be that all those lean years in IT are finally paying off. As to foreign devs who have these cutting edge skills you seek, good luck.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Ah yes the age old lament of the employer who doesn’t want to pay for pre-trained talent and doesn’t want to pay for training. I know it well.

As to talent not being available, it always is at the right price. It just may be that all those lean years in IT are finally paying off. As to foreign devs who have these cutting edge skills you seek, good luck.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Ah yes the age old lament of the employer who doesn’t want to pay for pre-trained talent and doesn’t want to pay for training. I know it well.

As to talent not being available, it always is at the right price. It just may be that all those lean years in IT are finally paying off. As to foreign devs who have these cutting edge skills you seek, good luck.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Ah yes the age old lament of the employer who doesn’t want to pay for pre-trained talent and doesn’t want to pay for training. I know it well.

As to talent not being available, it always is at the right price. It just may be that all those lean years in IT are finally paying off. As to foreign devs who have these cutting edge skills you seek, good luck.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Ah yes the age old lament of the employer who doesn’t want to pay for pre-trained talent and doesn’t want to pay for training. I know it well.

As to talent not being available, it always is at the right price. It just may be that all those lean years in IT are finally paying off. As to foreign devs who have these cutting edge skills you seek, good luck.

Josh

[CricketOnTheHearth]

CONCHO 10:20 am– Right on!!

I keep a couple of searches out on Monster.com going, just to keep some low-level antennae out on the job market, and I am amazed at the picky, specific/exotic, unique-to-their-company knowledge that many job posters are looking for.

“Oh, we are looking for a mechanical engineer with 6 years experience in designing left-handed vreeblefetzers in Pro/Engineer, who also has at least 3 years of experience in designing parts for GE retroencabulators…” etc etc for 3 paragraphs. Obviously I am not qualified for the job because obviously the guy who used to do the job just retired and they are looking to replace him… EXACTLY.

In my current work I do both ME and some CS-type work, depending on the assignment, but this work is heavily flavored by the my-company-specific nature of the expertise I have to use. (Printer-design technology, in-house CAD parts database and standards, etc). I don’t care how good you are, if you are migrating to another company which is operating in even a slightly different technological area you will have to do some training up in the in-house expertise.

Not to say all Monster postings are this unreasonable, but it is pretty rare for me to see a posting where they ask for Basic Skill Set A and say “we will train you into our company-specific skills.”

But I am told most job postings are written by script kiddies in Personnel with no clue about the actual job anyway.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

CONCHO 10:20 am– Right on!!

I keep a couple of searches out on Monster.com going, just to keep some low-level antennae out on the job market, and I am amazed at the picky, specific/exotic, unique-to-their-company knowledge that many job posters are looking for.

“Oh, we are looking for a mechanical engineer with 6 years experience in designing left-handed vreeblefetzers in Pro/Engineer, who also has at least 3 years of experience in designing parts for GE retroencabulators…” etc etc for 3 paragraphs. Obviously I am not qualified for the job because obviously the guy who used to do the job just retired and they are looking to replace him… EXACTLY.

In my current work I do both ME and some CS-type work, depending on the assignment, but this work is heavily flavored by the my-company-specific nature of the expertise I have to use. (Printer-design technology, in-house CAD parts database and standards, etc). I don’t care how good you are, if you are migrating to another company which is operating in even a slightly different technological area you will have to do some training up in the in-house expertise.

Not to say all Monster postings are this unreasonable, but it is pretty rare for me to see a posting where they ask for Basic Skill Set A and say “we will train you into our company-specific skills.”

But I am told most job postings are written by script kiddies in Personnel with no clue about the actual job anyway.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

CONCHO 10:20 am– Right on!!

I keep a couple of searches out on Monster.com going, just to keep some low-level antennae out on the job market, and I am amazed at the picky, specific/exotic, unique-to-their-company knowledge that many job posters are looking for.

“Oh, we are looking for a mechanical engineer with 6 years experience in designing left-handed vreeblefetzers in Pro/Engineer, who also has at least 3 years of experience in designing parts for GE retroencabulators…” etc etc for 3 paragraphs. Obviously I am not qualified for the job because obviously the guy who used to do the job just retired and they are looking to replace him… EXACTLY.

In my current work I do both ME and some CS-type work, depending on the assignment, but this work is heavily flavored by the my-company-specific nature of the expertise I have to use. (Printer-design technology, in-house CAD parts database and standards, etc). I don’t care how good you are, if you are migrating to another company which is operating in even a slightly different technological area you will have to do some training up in the in-house expertise.

Not to say all Monster postings are this unreasonable, but it is pretty rare for me to see a posting where they ask for Basic Skill Set A and say “we will train you into our company-specific skills.”

But I am told most job postings are written by script kiddies in Personnel with no clue about the actual job anyway.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

CONCHO 10:20 am– Right on!!

I keep a couple of searches out on Monster.com going, just to keep some low-level antennae out on the job market, and I am amazed at the picky, specific/exotic, unique-to-their-company knowledge that many job posters are looking for.

“Oh, we are looking for a mechanical engineer with 6 years experience in designing left-handed vreeblefetzers in Pro/Engineer, who also has at least 3 years of experience in designing parts for GE retroencabulators…” etc etc for 3 paragraphs. Obviously I am not qualified for the job because obviously the guy who used to do the job just retired and they are looking to replace him… EXACTLY.

In my current work I do both ME and some CS-type work, depending on the assignment, but this work is heavily flavored by the my-company-specific nature of the expertise I have to use. (Printer-design technology, in-house CAD parts database and standards, etc). I don’t care how good you are, if you are migrating to another company which is operating in even a slightly different technological area you will have to do some training up in the in-house expertise.

Not to say all Monster postings are this unreasonable, but it is pretty rare for me to see a posting where they ask for Basic Skill Set A and say “we will train you into our company-specific skills.”

But I am told most job postings are written by script kiddies in Personnel with no clue about the actual job anyway.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

CONCHO 10:20 am– Right on!!

I keep a couple of searches out on Monster.com going, just to keep some low-level antennae out on the job market, and I am amazed at the picky, specific/exotic, unique-to-their-company knowledge that many job posters are looking for.

“Oh, we are looking for a mechanical engineer with 6 years experience in designing left-handed vreeblefetzers in Pro/Engineer, who also has at least 3 years of experience in designing parts for GE retroencabulators…” etc etc for 3 paragraphs. Obviously I am not qualified for the job because obviously the guy who used to do the job just retired and they are looking to replace him… EXACTLY.

In my current work I do both ME and some CS-type work, depending on the assignment, but this work is heavily flavored by the my-company-specific nature of the expertise I have to use. (Printer-design technology, in-house CAD parts database and standards, etc). I don’t care how good you are, if you are migrating to another company which is operating in even a slightly different technological area you will have to do some training up in the in-house expertise.

Not to say all Monster postings are this unreasonable, but it is pretty rare for me to see a posting where they ask for Basic Skill Set A and say “we will train you into our company-specific skills.”

But I am told most job postings are written by script kiddies in Personnel with no clue about the actual job anyway.

[sdcellar]

Yep, in my experience, the most talented folks have pretty diverse technical backgrounds and can pretty much work on anything. Creating a pigeon hole and then lookly soley for those pigeons is fairly brain dead thinking in my estimation.

This isn’t to say that a guy who has a narrow skillset on his resume doesn’t have the capability to work on things outside of that, just that the hiring team needs to work that much harder to make the determination if he/she will be able to excel.

[sdcellar]

Yep, in my experience, the most talented folks have pretty diverse technical backgrounds and can pretty much work on anything. Creating a pigeon hole and then lookly soley for those pigeons is fairly brain dead thinking in my estimation.

This isn’t to say that a guy who has a narrow skillset on his resume doesn’t have the capability to work on things outside of that, just that the hiring team needs to work that much harder to make the determination if he/she will be able to excel.

[sdcellar]

Yep, in my experience, the most talented folks have pretty diverse technical backgrounds and can pretty much work on anything. Creating a pigeon hole and then lookly soley for those pigeons is fairly brain dead thinking in my estimation.

This isn’t to say that a guy who has a narrow skillset on his resume doesn’t have the capability to work on things outside of that, just that the hiring team needs to work that much harder to make the determination if he/she will be able to excel.

[sdcellar]

Yep, in my experience, the most talented folks have pretty diverse technical backgrounds and can pretty much work on anything. Creating a pigeon hole and then lookly soley for those pigeons is fairly brain dead thinking in my estimation.

This isn’t to say that a guy who has a narrow skillset on his resume doesn’t have the capability to work on things outside of that, just that the hiring team needs to work that much harder to make the determination if he/she will be able to excel.

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