OT: FOX News and the oil blowout

[briansd1]

[quote=eavesdropper]In the purest sense of “employment”, there is an ostensibly even exchange of the employee’s labor/services for the employer’s money. In that situation, I believe that an employee of the government can openly criticize and protest the actions of that government, without the least hint of hypocrisy.[/quote]

I agree.

That’s why I don’t feel any qualms about criticizing the oil industry while using their products.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Aecetia]Very thoughtful eaves and the quote: “They are still missing the boat on what really is pissing off Americans” applies to both parties. I think there is a very anti-incumbent sentiment now, not just anti Democrat or Republican. Both parties have seriously misread the tea leaves and are going to pay a price for their arrogance and for appearing to not care about what is worrying the average American- it is still the economy for most people.[/quote]

Aecetia: A remark you made about boycotting Brian really hit home, and made me think of a similar remark from Hippias to Socrates, when Hippias refused to debate him, saying, “You mock at others, questioning and examining everybody, and never willing to render an account yourself or to state an opinion about anything” (from Xenophon’s “Memorabilia”).

I’m reading this excellent dialogue involving eavesdropper, DJShakes, Jim Jones and yourself and I’m realizing what a horrific waste of time it is to debate an empty suit like Brian.

I also realized that I ignored my own admonition about not teaching pigs to sing (not to be confused with the Gadarene Swine Fallacy, which I think typifies Brian to a T).

So, I’m locking arms with you on this, Aecetia, and boycotting Brian in the name of vanquishing insipidity, vacuity and mendacity the world over. Cheers!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Aecetia]Very thoughtful eaves and the quote: “They are still missing the boat on what really is pissing off Americans” applies to both parties. I think there is a very anti-incumbent sentiment now, not just anti Democrat or Republican. Both parties have seriously misread the tea leaves and are going to pay a price for their arrogance and for appearing to not care about what is worrying the average American- it is still the economy for most people.[/quote]

Aecetia: A remark you made about boycotting Brian really hit home, and made me think of a similar remark from Hippias to Socrates, when Hippias refused to debate him, saying, “You mock at others, questioning and examining everybody, and never willing to render an account yourself or to state an opinion about anything” (from Xenophon’s “Memorabilia”).

I’m reading this excellent dialogue involving eavesdropper, DJShakes, Jim Jones and yourself and I’m realizing what a horrific waste of time it is to debate an empty suit like Brian.

I also realized that I ignored my own admonition about not teaching pigs to sing (not to be confused with the Gadarene Swine Fallacy, which I think typifies Brian to a T).

So, I’m locking arms with you on this, Aecetia, and boycotting Brian in the name of vanquishing insipidity, vacuity and mendacity the world over. Cheers!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Aecetia]Very thoughtful eaves and the quote: “They are still missing the boat on what really is pissing off Americans” applies to both parties. I think there is a very anti-incumbent sentiment now, not just anti Democrat or Republican. Both parties have seriously misread the tea leaves and are going to pay a price for their arrogance and for appearing to not care about what is worrying the average American- it is still the economy for most people.[/quote]

Aecetia: A remark you made about boycotting Brian really hit home, and made me think of a similar remark from Hippias to Socrates, when Hippias refused to debate him, saying, “You mock at others, questioning and examining everybody, and never willing to render an account yourself or to state an opinion about anything” (from Xenophon’s “Memorabilia”).

I’m reading this excellent dialogue involving eavesdropper, DJShakes, Jim Jones and yourself and I’m realizing what a horrific waste of time it is to debate an empty suit like Brian.

I also realized that I ignored my own admonition about not teaching pigs to sing (not to be confused with the Gadarene Swine Fallacy, which I think typifies Brian to a T).

So, I’m locking arms with you on this, Aecetia, and boycotting Brian in the name of vanquishing insipidity, vacuity and mendacity the world over. Cheers!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Aecetia]Very thoughtful eaves and the quote: “They are still missing the boat on what really is pissing off Americans” applies to both parties. I think there is a very anti-incumbent sentiment now, not just anti Democrat or Republican. Both parties have seriously misread the tea leaves and are going to pay a price for their arrogance and for appearing to not care about what is worrying the average American- it is still the economy for most people.[/quote]

Aecetia: A remark you made about boycotting Brian really hit home, and made me think of a similar remark from Hippias to Socrates, when Hippias refused to debate him, saying, “You mock at others, questioning and examining everybody, and never willing to render an account yourself or to state an opinion about anything” (from Xenophon’s “Memorabilia”).

I’m reading this excellent dialogue involving eavesdropper, DJShakes, Jim Jones and yourself and I’m realizing what a horrific waste of time it is to debate an empty suit like Brian.

I also realized that I ignored my own admonition about not teaching pigs to sing (not to be confused with the Gadarene Swine Fallacy, which I think typifies Brian to a T).

So, I’m locking arms with you on this, Aecetia, and boycotting Brian in the name of vanquishing insipidity, vacuity and mendacity the world over. Cheers!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Aecetia]Very thoughtful eaves and the quote: “They are still missing the boat on what really is pissing off Americans” applies to both parties. I think there is a very anti-incumbent sentiment now, not just anti Democrat or Republican. Both parties have seriously misread the tea leaves and are going to pay a price for their arrogance and for appearing to not care about what is worrying the average American- it is still the economy for most people.[/quote]

Aecetia: A remark you made about boycotting Brian really hit home, and made me think of a similar remark from Hippias to Socrates, when Hippias refused to debate him, saying, “You mock at others, questioning and examining everybody, and never willing to render an account yourself or to state an opinion about anything” (from Xenophon’s “Memorabilia”).

I’m reading this excellent dialogue involving eavesdropper, DJShakes, Jim Jones and yourself and I’m realizing what a horrific waste of time it is to debate an empty suit like Brian.

I also realized that I ignored my own admonition about not teaching pigs to sing (not to be confused with the Gadarene Swine Fallacy, which I think typifies Brian to a T).

So, I’m locking arms with you on this, Aecetia, and boycotting Brian in the name of vanquishing insipidity, vacuity and mendacity the world over. Cheers!

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones] Instead I wanted you fully recognize that THE RIG IN THE GULF WAS CERTIFIED BY A DEPARTMENT RAN BY AN OBAMA POLITICAL APPOINTEE.
[/quote]

That’s fine. You’ve now made your point.

[quote=Jim Jones]
What you fail to admit/realize or digest is that the Obama appointee actively continued to operate under those same rules which your found so reprehensible.
[/quote]

I don’t see how I failed to admit that since that issue wasn’t even bought up until you brought it up.

I was responding to “facts”. You are the one who brought new facts to the table. How can you accuse me of not considering your facts when I was responding to Allan’s words, and you had not yet participated in the conversation?

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones] Instead I wanted you fully recognize that THE RIG IN THE GULF WAS CERTIFIED BY A DEPARTMENT RAN BY AN OBAMA POLITICAL APPOINTEE.
[/quote]

That’s fine. You’ve now made your point.

[quote=Jim Jones]
What you fail to admit/realize or digest is that the Obama appointee actively continued to operate under those same rules which your found so reprehensible.
[/quote]

I don’t see how I failed to admit that since that issue wasn’t even bought up until you brought it up.

I was responding to “facts”. You are the one who brought new facts to the table. How can you accuse me of not considering your facts when I was responding to Allan’s words, and you had not yet participated in the conversation?

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones] Instead I wanted you fully recognize that THE RIG IN THE GULF WAS CERTIFIED BY A DEPARTMENT RAN BY AN OBAMA POLITICAL APPOINTEE.
[/quote]

That’s fine. You’ve now made your point.

[quote=Jim Jones]
What you fail to admit/realize or digest is that the Obama appointee actively continued to operate under those same rules which your found so reprehensible.
[/quote]

I don’t see how I failed to admit that since that issue wasn’t even bought up until you brought it up.

I was responding to “facts”. You are the one who brought new facts to the table. How can you accuse me of not considering your facts when I was responding to Allan’s words, and you had not yet participated in the conversation?

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones] Instead I wanted you fully recognize that THE RIG IN THE GULF WAS CERTIFIED BY A DEPARTMENT RAN BY AN OBAMA POLITICAL APPOINTEE.
[/quote]

That’s fine. You’ve now made your point.

[quote=Jim Jones]
What you fail to admit/realize or digest is that the Obama appointee actively continued to operate under those same rules which your found so reprehensible.
[/quote]

I don’t see how I failed to admit that since that issue wasn’t even bought up until you brought it up.

I was responding to “facts”. You are the one who brought new facts to the table. How can you accuse me of not considering your facts when I was responding to Allan’s words, and you had not yet participated in the conversation?

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones] Instead I wanted you fully recognize that THE RIG IN THE GULF WAS CERTIFIED BY A DEPARTMENT RAN BY AN OBAMA POLITICAL APPOINTEE.
[/quote]

That’s fine. You’ve now made your point.

[quote=Jim Jones]
What you fail to admit/realize or digest is that the Obama appointee actively continued to operate under those same rules which your found so reprehensible.
[/quote]

I don’t see how I failed to admit that since that issue wasn’t even bought up until you brought it up.

I was responding to “facts”. You are the one who brought new facts to the table. How can you accuse me of not considering your facts when I was responding to Allan’s words, and you had not yet participated in the conversation?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Djshakes]Eavesdropper: This a matter of the chicken and the egg. Has the government created an entitled dependent society or does the society truly need the government. I would like to think it falls in the middle.[/quote]

That’s a tough one, Dj. Like you, I would prefer the truth to lie somewhere in the middle. But I confess to leaning in the direction of the fault lying largely with the government. Not that I favor people readily accepting aid they don’t truly deserve, or opting to take the easier way out, but it is a normal human instinct (animal, too, come to think of it).

The current entitlement programs were largely created or had their benefits vastly expanded during a time of unprecedented sociological change that, I believe, provided a fertile breeding ground for exponential growth of the rolls, and an accompanying change in attitude by the citizenry. As for the government, almost every large entitlement program becomes a proverbial “third rail” once it passes into law. There are almost no candidates, of any party affiliation, that will dare to touch it during their tenure in office.

There have been some interesting studies dealing with self-reporting of disability as it relates to physical health over the past decade. Baby boomers, the first generation to be concerned with self-image and physical fitness, and fortunate beneficiaries of incredible biomedical advances, have been reporting significantly higher rates of conditions they term as disabling in their 50s than cohorts 30 years older. The epidemiology is not complete, but I’m looking forward to reading the literature when they come up with the reasons for the discrepancy.

I’m not a Boomer basher. Just a Boomer. Non-disabled variety, I’m grateful to say.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Djshakes]Eavesdropper: This a matter of the chicken and the egg. Has the government created an entitled dependent society or does the society truly need the government. I would like to think it falls in the middle.[/quote]

That’s a tough one, Dj. Like you, I would prefer the truth to lie somewhere in the middle. But I confess to leaning in the direction of the fault lying largely with the government. Not that I favor people readily accepting aid they don’t truly deserve, or opting to take the easier way out, but it is a normal human instinct (animal, too, come to think of it).

The current entitlement programs were largely created or had their benefits vastly expanded during a time of unprecedented sociological change that, I believe, provided a fertile breeding ground for exponential growth of the rolls, and an accompanying change in attitude by the citizenry. As for the government, almost every large entitlement program becomes a proverbial “third rail” once it passes into law. There are almost no candidates, of any party affiliation, that will dare to touch it during their tenure in office.

There have been some interesting studies dealing with self-reporting of disability as it relates to physical health over the past decade. Baby boomers, the first generation to be concerned with self-image and physical fitness, and fortunate beneficiaries of incredible biomedical advances, have been reporting significantly higher rates of conditions they term as disabling in their 50s than cohorts 30 years older. The epidemiology is not complete, but I’m looking forward to reading the literature when they come up with the reasons for the discrepancy.

I’m not a Boomer basher. Just a Boomer. Non-disabled variety, I’m grateful to say.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Djshakes]Eavesdropper: This a matter of the chicken and the egg. Has the government created an entitled dependent society or does the society truly need the government. I would like to think it falls in the middle.[/quote]

That’s a tough one, Dj. Like you, I would prefer the truth to lie somewhere in the middle. But I confess to leaning in the direction of the fault lying largely with the government. Not that I favor people readily accepting aid they don’t truly deserve, or opting to take the easier way out, but it is a normal human instinct (animal, too, come to think of it).

The current entitlement programs were largely created or had their benefits vastly expanded during a time of unprecedented sociological change that, I believe, provided a fertile breeding ground for exponential growth of the rolls, and an accompanying change in attitude by the citizenry. As for the government, almost every large entitlement program becomes a proverbial “third rail” once it passes into law. There are almost no candidates, of any party affiliation, that will dare to touch it during their tenure in office.

There have been some interesting studies dealing with self-reporting of disability as it relates to physical health over the past decade. Baby boomers, the first generation to be concerned with self-image and physical fitness, and fortunate beneficiaries of incredible biomedical advances, have been reporting significantly higher rates of conditions they term as disabling in their 50s than cohorts 30 years older. The epidemiology is not complete, but I’m looking forward to reading the literature when they come up with the reasons for the discrepancy.

I’m not a Boomer basher. Just a Boomer. Non-disabled variety, I’m grateful to say.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Djshakes]Eavesdropper: This a matter of the chicken and the egg. Has the government created an entitled dependent society or does the society truly need the government. I would like to think it falls in the middle.[/quote]

That’s a tough one, Dj. Like you, I would prefer the truth to lie somewhere in the middle. But I confess to leaning in the direction of the fault lying largely with the government. Not that I favor people readily accepting aid they don’t truly deserve, or opting to take the easier way out, but it is a normal human instinct (animal, too, come to think of it).

The current entitlement programs were largely created or had their benefits vastly expanded during a time of unprecedented sociological change that, I believe, provided a fertile breeding ground for exponential growth of the rolls, and an accompanying change in attitude by the citizenry. As for the government, almost every large entitlement program becomes a proverbial “third rail” once it passes into law. There are almost no candidates, of any party affiliation, that will dare to touch it during their tenure in office.

There have been some interesting studies dealing with self-reporting of disability as it relates to physical health over the past decade. Baby boomers, the first generation to be concerned with self-image and physical fitness, and fortunate beneficiaries of incredible biomedical advances, have been reporting significantly higher rates of conditions they term as disabling in their 50s than cohorts 30 years older. The epidemiology is not complete, but I’m looking forward to reading the literature when they come up with the reasons for the discrepancy.

I’m not a Boomer basher. Just a Boomer. Non-disabled variety, I’m grateful to say.

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