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September 8, 2014 at 3:17 AM #777872September 8, 2014 at 1:36 PM #777884
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Guestsimple answer, CAr. Because the assailants are not cops representing institutional power.
We are more outraged, as a we should be, by cops using the power of their institutions to abuse citizens.
Here’s a story on institutional abuse. New technology is making lots of past abuses come to light.
In the future, cameras and new technology, especially location technology in private spaces will prevent lots of crimes.
Maybe we don’t need so many cops anymore.
September 8, 2014 at 1:58 PM #777887NotCranky
ParticipantBecause on thing is an outrage another very awful thing is not also an outrage?
What is the percentage of cities of over 100 thousand population where there is more white on black predatory crimes than black on white predatory crimes, rape, robbery, assault, murder I am not sure one can even be found but it seems like there would be some? Overall crime on all peoples , forget even looking.
September 8, 2014 at 2:08 PM #777888GuestWe’re talking very different things, here.
Crime is never good.
But crimes and abuses committed by law enforcement stand apart in the level of viciousness. Race doesn’t even figure.
However, race does figure when the abuse by law enforcement is by law enforcement that is grossly unrepresentative of the population.
September 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM #777889CA renter
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]simple answer, CAr. Because the assailants are not cops representing institutional power.
We are more outraged, as a we should be, by cops using the power of their institutions to abuse citizens.
Here’s a story on institutional abuse. New technology is making lots of past abuses come to light.
In the future, cameras and new technology, especially location technology in private spaces will prevent lots of crimes.
Maybe we don’t need so many cops anymore.[/quote]
I’m a big critic of police misconduct, and the case you’ve linked to was a tragedy (D.A. misconduct, not police, in that case). Whenever an innocent person is convicted of a crime, especially one so heinous, we need to seriously study what went wrong, and why, to ensure that it doesn’t happen again.
The corruption of institutional power is never acceptable, but neither are mob attacks (or any attacks) against innocent people.
While I’m not a fan of “technology in private spaces,” I love DNA technology that enables us to more easily convict the guilty and set the innocent free.
September 8, 2014 at 3:14 PM #777894GuestBlogstar, your arguments remind me of South Africa.
Today, there’s still plenty of violence in South Africa (a friend of mine was attacked), and maybe one of the most violent countries the world. But it’s a much better country that is more representative of its people. The corruption is not any worse than during the Apartheid era.
The progressive activists (unlike people like Ronald Reagan who vetoed sanctions legislation) who campaigned against Apartheid were ahead of their times; and in the end, they were proven right.
September 8, 2014 at 7:35 PM #777907Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Blogstar, your arguments remind me of South Africa.
Today, there’s still plenty of violence in South Africa (a friend of mine was attacked), and maybe one of the most violent countries the world. But it’s a much better country that is more representative of its people. The corruption is not any worse than during the Apartheid era.
The progressive activists (unlike people like Ronald Reagan who vetoed sanctions legislation) who campaigned against Apartheid were ahead of their times; and in the end, they were proven right.[/quote]
That’s ridiculous. I guess you can’t find a place to name. not even in California or on in the North East of the country somewhere ..some place with a long liberal history? Heck it’s worse in those kinds of places.
The SIX black people beating the small man and woman in CaRenters video could easily out rank their victims in this society by wealth, employment , education, living conditions and any other measure, so quit making sickening excuses.
I have worked for dozens of black people because they were better at the job at hand than I was(not because of affirmative action), had some black teachers all throughout school. As I have said I was even in a black head of household foster home…maybe that’s why your excuses are no good. Have you ever been employed /supervised by a non-affirmative action black person or had a black teacher? You have a black president. …apartheid BS.
You might be one of those progressive liberal saints who take on all black causes but has never really had a black friend. That’s my sister and her whole family…would’t even know how to engage a black person as a friend they’d be too busy trying to save them from white oppression or probably be terrified of being beaten themselves. That would make a good skit for SNL.
September 8, 2014 at 7:52 PM #777909Guest[quote=Blogstar] More black cops would lead to a tendency for corruption or lower desire to actually fight crime. Not because black people are inherently corrupt, but because that is the way the stimulus and pressure would guide them. The problem is how the people function much much more than how the police function. The situation is that overwhelming.
[/quote]You’ve suggested that blacks should not get proportional representation in law enforcement and perhaps in government generally.
Similar argument was made about South Africa – law and order would go to shit, and the economy would crash. The country is doing better than ever.
September 8, 2014 at 8:18 PM #777910Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar] More black cops would lead to a tendency for corruption or lower desire to actually fight crime. Not because black people are inherently corrupt, but because that is the way the stimulus and pressure would guide them. The problem is how the people function much much more than how the police function. The situation is that overwhelming.
[/quote]You’ve suggested that blacks should not get proportional representation in law enforcement and perhaps in government generally.
Similar argument was made about South Africa – law and order would go to shit, and the economy would crash. The country is doing better than ever.[/quote]
That quote is a statement of opinion about what happens, not that I support apartheid. It goes with the argument I was making that some areas can’t be policed by anyone of any race. Show me where I suggested exclusion of blacks from any police force? I said where representation of blacks has occurred results are not good using crime statistics as the measure, I cited New Orleans. Other than that I have said more or less equal representation does seem desirable, I think I said that on this thread.
In SA that situation needed to change and I was always for it.
SA, the country is not doing better than ever but it is doing o.k,
Last I checked unemployment was very high, like 25%, and there was a brain drain going on. Aids is terrible in the black population not much at all in the white. The brain drain may have settled down or reversed. The brain drain was not only whites but also other ethnic groups. I hope South Africa does well but it is too soon to say.September 8, 2014 at 8:42 PM #777912Guest[quote=CA renter]
While I’m not a fan of “technology in private spaces,” I love DNA technology that enables us to more easily convict the guilty and set the innocent free.[/quote]
I read an article about a public housing project in Germany that implemented technology with great success. Residents and guests have proximity sensors that open doors and allow them access to hallways, elevators, common areas.
I can see how we can continue to reduce crime rates thanks to tech.
September 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM #777914Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar] More black cops would lead to a tendency for corruption or lower desire to actually fight crime. Not because black people are inherently corrupt, but because that is the way the stimulus and pressure would guide them. The problem is how the people function much much more than how the police function. The situation is that overwhelming.
[/quote]You’ve suggested that blacks should not get proportional representation in law enforcement and perhaps in government generally.
Similar argument was made about South Africa – law and order would go to shit, and the economy would crash. The country is doing better than ever.[/quote]
No, it’s not.
When South Africa buried apartheid with its first all-race election in 1994, the Rev. Desmond Tutu danced with joy as he cast his ballot. He called it “a religious experience, a transfiguration experience, a mountaintop experience.”
As the country votes Wednesday, here’s what he recently told the Sunday Times newspaper: “I didn’t think there would be a disillusionment so soon. I’m glad that (Nelson Mandela) is dead. I’m glad that most of these people are no longer alive to see this,” a reference to a host of chronic problems such as corruption and poverty.
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Until we are able to honestly and openly define the problem, there will be no solution.
September 9, 2014 at 3:19 AM #777917ParticipantA good article about the problems plaguing South Africa:
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This is why people who want simplistic solutions to complex problems need to do far more research before they back any particular theories. Study different cultures and sociopolitical structures across different countries and over time to see what did and didn’t work. The information is there, but too few people are ever willing to do even a minimal amount of research. Because of this failing, we are forced to endure one ineffective and horribly damaging policy after another as special interests seek to brainwash the masses via propaganda spread through the mainstream media. People desperately need to be more informed.
September 9, 2014 at 9:45 AM #777923GuestLife is arguably relatively worse off for the working classes around the world. It depends how you define worse.
My point what that democracy has not been worse for the establishment that was fearing black rule in South Africa.
Business is strong in South Africa which is now well integrated in the world economy. Whites and Blacks who are educated are doing better than ever. The low education Afrikaners have been reduced in social status, but that’s all the better. Still plenty of crime and violence, as there was before.
A friend from Cape Town invited me to visit. Apparently, it’s a nice beach town with nice houses.
September 9, 2014 at 7:39 PM #777929ParticipantHooray , the lower class white people are even lower and there are nice resorts on the cape. Is that some kind of progressive liberals wet dream?
GDP is up, the rich, black and white ,are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, black and white, just like here. Man, that country is doing great.
September 9, 2014 at 7:53 PM #777930spdrun
ParticipantBut crimes and abuses committed by law enforcement stand apart in the level of viciousness. Race doesn’t even figure.
It’s not a question of viciousness. It’s a question that:
(a) police swore an oath to uphold the law, not break it.
(b) responsibility must come with powerUncalled-for violence by law enforcement should therefore be punished more severely than the same level of violence by “civilians.”
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