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August 18, 2014 at 10:46 PM #777452August 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM #777454
FlyerInHi
Guest6 shots hit the victim. How many total shots were fired?
As David brooks of NYT put it, it’s a case of petty power. Cops are professionals and are not to get angry when a disrespectful whippersnapper disses them. Call for backup and arrest the suspect.
The cop needs to be arrested and charged with murder.
The governor should disband and reorganize the furguson police force. If not, maybe this will teach the citizens to go out and vote and fire their city leaders.
Cameras should be mandatory outside and inside police cars, with recording blackboxes. Of course the police unions would never allow it.
August 19, 2014 at 9:28 AM #777463CA renter
ParticipantIt’s easy to say all of that from the comfort and safety of your armchair. Very different to actually be out in the street with a 6’4″, 292 pound thug on top of you trying to take your gun away.
Perhaps the cop should be arrested, but there needs to be a full investigation before people start calling for his head. The media is complicit in all of the rioting and race-baiting; it’s great for their ratings.
August 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM #777465GuestWell, where’s the police report? There should have been one filed immediately.
With the history of police department, it all points to a coverup and protecting their own.
The victim is no angel. But that doesn’t mean he should have been killed.
The cop was In his car. He could have driven away. Again, he’s the professional and may not act in anger and revenge.
Managing the city,… That’s the leaders meal tickets in that region. In the end they will lose by not creating at least a semblance of an inclusive environment.
August 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM #777467
CoronitaParticipantMy take on this is that
1. We don’t know if Brown attacked or tried to attack the officer.
2. We know the cop took 6 shots, but don’t know under what circumstance they were taken.
3. I think there is a certain element of prejudice going by those who defend both Brown and those that defend Wilson, when we don’t yet have a clear picture of what happened.
4. Regardless, it seems like some folks are finding an excuse to riot and loot, which is unfortunate, because it detracts from the real issue at hand…
August 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM #777468NotCranky
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Well, where’s the police report? There should have been one filed immediately.
With the history of police department, it all points to a coverup and protecting their own.
The victim is no angel. But that doesn’t mean he should have been killed.
The cop was In his car. He could have driven away. Again, he’s the professional and may not act in anger and revenge.
Managing the city,… That’s the leaders meal tickets in that region. In the end they will lose by not creating at least a semblance of an inclusive environment.[/quote]
If a cop is attacked by someone he should not drive away. He should assume that person is very dangerous and take him off the streets. Suppose the big guy beats to death the next person he passes or gets a gun in the interim and the war with the cops escalates? This isn’t Disneyland he is working at.
You don’t know if the cop acted in anger or revenge or if he had a two or more round fight with a 275 pound pit bull on his hands. There were not a lot of witnesses and apparently fewer legit ones, that means the police report is mainly what the cop says and what some liars say. It is not going to help much at this point now is it?
I don’t know what happened but I know If I were to go trying to assault a cop who is outsized and out numbered , I would be shot. Why do any people expect anything different? Especially people who feel that police brutality is rampant against them ? Again not saying I know what happened but lets don’t be silly about cops being sweethearts and driving off in the face of a hypothetical attack.
August 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM #777469GuestNo, a cop can and must pull back from deadly force unless his life is in immediate danger. He can come back within minutes with backup to arrest the individual.
If we were talking about “street” tactics, we might as well put the mafia back in charge to keep law and order.
The cops have resources and they are a professional organization. The cop can press a button and call for reinforcement or indicate a distress.
Where is the police report? A professional organization would have taken the cop’s statements and report immediately before allowing him to go home. Don’t they have recording equipment? Does a killing not call for a thorough debriefing?
We expect government to behave in a transparent, professional manner.
August 19, 2014 at 12:01 PM #777470Guest[quote=CA renter] The media is complicit in all of the rioting and race-baiting; it’s great for their ratings.[/quote]
I think overall, the media did its job. Sure, media attention always feeds more protests.
For example, protests in Egypt of Ukraine caused enormous economic damage and loss of property. But principles of human rights do not take a backseat to the economy.
Should extreme measures be used to stop protests just to protect property and economic activity?
I think in the Ferguson case, authorities should have been more proactive in making a venue available (such as a park or stadium) to allow protests.
Are any of the gun-owners out there outraged at the militarization of the police? Guns ownership is supposed ensure possible revolution against tyranny. But how is revolution even remotely possible when the police are armed like the military?
August 19, 2014 at 12:09 PM #777471Guest[quote=flu]. I think there is a certain element of prejudice going by those who defend both Brown and those that defend Wilson, when we don’t yet have a clear picture of what happened.
[/quote]I’m “biased” against the cop because he held the deadly force and used it.
We value life, even the life of a criminal. It’s a principle of human rights we hold dear, over and above daily concerns such as law and order.
August 19, 2014 at 12:43 PM #777473PCinSD
GuestNo surprise that some folks have already determined the cop should be charged and locked up. Despite having no clue what happened on the ground, or when deadly force is authorized.
What we do know:
1. This teenager was a 6’4″, 300 pound man. He is bigger and stronger than most men, including the police officer that shot him.
2. Him and his buddy just robbed a store using physical violence. And they were on their way to another store. Apparently, they feel comfortable being thugs and bullies, to do what they want and take what they want. Who in their right mind is going to say no to this dude?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/darren-wilson-ferguson-police-officer-who-fatally-shot-michael-brown-identified/
4. Him and his buddy boldly walked down the middle of a street, blocking traffic. Who would dare to say anything to them, other than a cop?
5. When told to move, they refused, which led to an altercation, which led to the shooting. So far, we have the police officer’s word and the word of the bully friend that just robbed a store, as to what went down that led to the shooting.
6. The buddy that didn’t get shot gave his statement right away. He claimed he saw his thug Buddy running away, and the Cop shot him in the back.
7. The autopsy revealed he was not shot in the back.For now, I’ll take the police officers word over those of the thug criminal friend. I’m guessing he also neglected to mention they had just robbed a store.
But most of what you see through the news are baby pictures, how much of a gentle person he was, he would never hurt anyone. And this must be the result of racial profiling by a racist cop.
August 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM #777474GuestAll irrelevant.
When you kill someone you need a very, very good explanation.
The police chief allowed the cop to go home and go into hiding in the manner of the good old boys’ network, or mafia boss.
The proper thing would be to require a police report from the officer on the scene. Where is that report?
The police chief, as a professional, holds much more responsibility than the rioters in defusing the situation. Rules where not followed. The officer was not questioned and held in protective custody. The police chief and city leaders violated all the rules of leadership and institutional preservation.
August 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM #777476GuestProper rules of leadership when a grave incident occurs is to be honest and transparent and preserve the institution.
Admit what happens and reassure the public that a transparent investigation is ongoing. Hold the cop for as long as the law allows. Question him like any other suspect while abiding by the rules of employment.
Had the police chief done all of that, the riots would not have devolved in the same manner.
August 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM #777475Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]All irrelevant.
When you kill someone you need a very, very good explanation.
The police chief allowed the cop to go home and go into hiding in the manner of the good’ old boys network, or mafia boss.
The proper thing would be to require a police report from the office on the scene. Where is that report?
The police chief, as a professional, holds much more responsibility than the rioters in defusing the situation. Rules where not followed. The officer was not questioned and held in protective custody. The police chief and city leaders violated all the rules of leadership and institutional preservation.[/quote]
Where are you getting this narrative from. I am sure that the region has management problems, but specific to this case where are you getting these Ideas? How do you know the protocol is lacking so badly, or corrupt…just your personal ideas of how things should be? Who says a cop should go into custodial
solitary confinement and instead is being protected in some mafia way?Blaming the police for the looting and rioting is progressive, I guess. Double standard anyway. I’d say you are trolling.
August 19, 2014 at 1:40 PM #777477GuestWell, fortunately for the cop, if he is guilty of wrongdoing, the following will be helpful at sentencing:
1. The fact he is a decorated public servant, with no history of criminal wrongdoing and definitely not a loser.
2. He will be rewarded with a light sentence, because his public service and lack of a record make him deserving of it.
3. Hell, prosecutorial discretion may just decide to handle it administratively rather than criminally because he is so deserving.
4. Shoot, they may even go so far as to say the loser criminal had it coming for being a loser. Give the public servant another medal.August 19, 2014 at 1:48 PM #777478Guest[quote=pabloesqobar]Well, fortunately for the cop, if he is guilty of wrongdoing, the following will be helpful at sentencing:
1. The fact he is a decorated public servant, with no history of criminal wrongdoing and definitely not a loser.
2. He will be rewarded with a light sentence, because his public service and lack of a record make him deserving of it.
3. Hell, prosecutorial discretion may just decide to handle it administratively rather than criminally because he is so deserving.
4. Shoot, they may even go so far as to say the loser criminal had it coming for being a loser. Give the public servant another medal.[/quote]Probably about right in his community.
Unfortunately, the police chief did everything wrong. Now the outcome will be different for the community, including the chief’s job and his institution.
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