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[NotCranky]

What would you do if you were Black Jesus, Scaredy?

[scaredyclassic]

I’d be just like in the show. Trying to make peace …

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I’d be just like in the show. Trying to make peace …[/quote]
Jesus probably didn’t know that there were Inuits and Mayans and many others on the planet. Too late for them but any Jesus worth his salt today would be an internationalist. I can’t catch the black jesus because I don’t have cable but I hope he is an internationalist jesus of peace and can fix global warming.Maybe only marijuana smoke can fix the atmosphere.

[scaredyclassic]

Illegal episodes often appear on YouTube or legal on hulu I think

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]
More truth from better people…maybe the black jesus.[/quote]

And the truth is?

Americans aren’t known to embrace the truth. We can’t even accept the truth about health (a plain scientific subject) and do something concrete about it.

You step on the scale and you know that there’s too much calorie input.

Michele Obama who’s trying to educate us about that is called “fake” and “elitist”. We should be embracing her message.[/quote]

OK, Brian, you got removed from the board for politics, and now you’re hijacking threads to talk about fat people. It seems all roads lead back to obesity for you . . .

[FlyerInHi]

Growing your own veggies was brought up.

Lots of people can’t accept that Michele Obama is setting a good example. They call her fake and elitist. Simple subject about health.

If we can’t agree on health, I doubt we can agree on Ferguson.

My point was that some people will dismiss everything as fake and a ruse as reason to do nothing.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=njtosd]OK, Brian, you got removed from the board for politics, and now you’re hijacking threads to talk about fat people. It seems all roads lead back to obesity for you . . .[/quote]
nj, I think the state of the overall health of Ferguson’s residents is relevant here. Poor health (as well as lack of opportunities) leads to depression and hopelessness. It’s likely that both sides of this sad saga have issues with one or both.

You would have to have your boots on the ground (and it wouldn’t hurt to put on a little bug repellent first) to see …. and believe ….

For example, in Cali, every single piece of land of properly “platted” (except for National parkland). A very large portion of Cali parcels have been professionally replatted multiple times thru various changes made to the original parcel map. A CA RE buyer knows exactly what they are buying in the form of receiving a preliminary title report during escrow, which he/she has to approve by a date set prior to closing and re-approve it at the time of closing. Every single easement is listed on the title report for the buyer’s written approval, as well. There are VERY few surprises in this regard, which would be covered by title insurance if discovered by the buyer after closing.

This is not necessarily the case in many parts of “flyover country.” Title insurance often does not exist in the form that we in Cali know it. A buyer must hire an “abstractor” who will cull the public records to determine owner rights and encumbrances (depending on locale, the seller will often split the cost). An “abstractor” does not need to be an attorney (but can be) and the title of “abstractor” does not have any special education and experience requirements. In some jurisdictions, “abstractors” are not even licensed. VERY often a seller cannot guarantee that there is not “open and notorious use” of a portion or strip of his/her land by an adjacent landowner who would have a legal claim on the portion they have been using every day (or nearly) for a good number of years … and in any case, the seller is under no obligation to disclose this information to a prospective buyer. A prospective buyer can’t control the water quality running out of nearby tributaries into ditch(es) running through property he/she has had an accepted offer to purchase on (a very common occurrence). It could very well be poisoned by pesticides, fertilizer, human or livestock sewage, nearby fracking operations or even worse, chemicals discarded from nearby crystal meth labs. The buyer may only learn this AFTER purchase AFTER they had unexplained losses of livestock and other animals and then had the water tested.

It is not uncommon for landowners to have they land/lot surveyed for which they recently purchased in “flyover country” and learn of many surprises. (If the buyer had asked the seller to pay for the survey as a condition of sale, they likely wouldn’t have gotten their offer accepted.) If the buyer wants to do “due diligence,” he/she is frequently between a “rock and a hard place.” The buyer and their agent/broker must literally talk to every adjacent landowner (preferably in person) prior to making an offer to find out what each knows about the property and get access to the land with an engineer who has already done his/her homework … that is, if he/she can locate and make appts to speak to these owners in a timely manner … at the property.

And just because a buyer may be interested in a lot/parcel in an “incorporated area” or “town(ship)” doesn’t neccessarily mean: a) that ALL the parcels (or even contiguous parcels) in that town/city have access to a public sewer system; b) that neighboring properties with septic tanks/leachfields have been maintaining them properly; c) that neighboring improved parcels are actually fully hooked up to all utilities; d) that close neighbors won’t be allowed to park non-running vehicles on blocks, farm equipment or even triple-tractor trailers on their front yard 24/7/365; and, e) that there is any government oversight in place at all to police any of the above issues.

There isn’t even any regular testing of the water of public lakes in many areas… even lakes bordering National parkland. I myself have returned home with painful double ear infections twice after waterskiing and swimming near beaches in two different large “resort” lakes over 100 miles apart in “flyover country.” This occurred in the last decade.

A lot of Americans (CA residents and non-residents alike) complain vociferously (incl Piggs) that Cali is too highly regulated and has too many agencies which need to be supported by taxes and the tax burden on CA businesses is too great. It’s all in place for very good reasons and most Cali residents take it all for granted.

For the complainants, the “Fergusons of the world” (and there are hundreds in this country, if not thousands) are your alternative. Take your pick.

[NotCranky]

Del

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=FlyerInHi]

Personal experiences are frequently the problem. We should try reason and intellect more often.[/quote]
Poor sport.
You don’t like reality
you don’t like facts
you don’t like experience.
You make up fairy tales
enemy of logic or common sense.
You corrupt way too much of what people say.

Then you claim “intellect” should do it somehow?

Looking good there buddy.[/quote]

It has been show that personal experiences can result in highly inaccurate testimony.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

The facts is that a killing happened in Ferguson and that there are problems in the police department.

But a DOJ investigation is dismissed as “fake” and a “ruse”, when it’s the only action that could cause the police department to reform and implement new policies. There will likely be some data collection requirements, and a period of monitoring of the police department to gauge adherence and progress.

BTW, lots of institutions don’t collect data (facts)on purposes because they don’t want the discovery of inconvenient truths.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar][quote=FlyerInHi]

Personal experiences are frequently the problem. We should try reason and intellect more often.[/quote]
Poor sport.
You don’t like reality
you don’t like facts
you don’t like experience.
You make up fairy tales
enemy of logic or common sense.
You corrupt way too much of what people say.

Then you claim “intellect” should do it somehow?

Looking good there buddy.[/quote]

It has been show that personal experiences can result in highly inaccurate testimony.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

The facts is that a killing happened in Ferguson and that there are problems in the police department.

But a DOJ investigation is dismissed as “fake” and a “ruse”, when it’s the only action that could cause the police department to reform and implement new policies. There will likely be some data collection requirements, and a period of monitoring of the police department to gauge adherence and progress.

BTW, lots of institutions don’t collect data (facts)on purposes because they don’t want the discovery of inconvenient truths.[/quote]

I agree with brian here. In the absence of law enforcement oversight agencies such as “Law Enforcement Review Boards” and “PERB-like” agencies in place, ordering the DOJ investigation on the Ferguson PD was proper. In most jurisdictions of “flyover country,” public employees (including safety workers and teachers) are not unionized. Most people think that is for the best, since non-unionized teachers make $30-40K (instead of $60-70K made by unionized teachers) after ~15 years of service (in the absence of taking an assignment at a school serving an “underserved” student body). Actually, it is NOT for the “good of the People” because a LOT of STUFF gets swept under the rug as “biz as usual.” Why? Because there are no written procedures in place for many issues that crop up. Why is this? Because there are no unions in place to insist upon them (for the good of the employees AND the taxpayers). Govm’t “tribunals” in many jurisdictions of “flyover country” either do not exist or exist in name only and have never been staffed or used. It’s well past time for a bright flashlight to be shone on the Ferguson PD. If they turn out to be innocent of any wrongdoing, then so be it. Then they have nothing to worry about.

In flyover country, “past practice” in gubment is often the order of the day and they dare any citizen to question it. If you do … and cite the law to them in writing as to what their “duties” are … they will continue to stall for months and YEARS until you get a lawyer and file a writ in court to compel them to act in their “ministerial duties.” I’ve experienced this phenomenon first-hand in a “flyover state.” In early 2012, I helped a cousin file claims for unclaimed property he saw advertised in his local paper in the form of gas and oil royalties the gubment had been collecting income from for the 8 years prior to advertising the income as “unclaimed property” as prescribed by law. He and his 3 siblings were the only survivors left to be able to file a legitimate claim for said income. After producing MOUNTAINS of proof of he and his siblings lineage, producing the wills and Final Distributions of his long-deceased parents and PROVING beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL OTHER POSSIBLE HEIRS were deceased and left behind no one (photos of grave markers, obituaries, SS Death Index printout and death certificates), the state treasurers office FINALLY revealed to him an operator of ONE well (out of state) and 3 (vague) parcel numbers of current active wells (in an endeavor NOT to match the sections with the exact legal descriptions mentioned in my cousins’ parents’ wills and Final Distributions). We later discovered portions of the vaguely-described sections by the state matched the parent(s)’ legal descriptions but the active wells on them were shared by several operators (in and out of state) stradding other sections of land and a couple of sections had dozens of “owners” (which is common). Further letters to the treasurer’s office asking for specific clarification were futile. Due to inadequate information provided to one operator, we have not yet gotten a full response from them. Through a great deal of research, we know who the other operators are but do not yet have the correct sections/parcels to refer to.

MY file on this matter is 5″ thick and I’m 1600 mi away, lol. As far as I know my cousin STILL doesn’t have a date for an administrative hearing on the matter (which we requested several times in writing, citing the appropriate section of law) or has been able to hire a lawyer. The state’s attorney general’s office does not deny that my cousins are entitled to their portion of these royalties, which pay out quarterly. I’m headed back there next month so I’ll find out and perhaps try to get him counsel who will work on a contingency basis :=0

Meanwhile, we figured the state is currently collecting $3.2M – $3.8M annually on royalties from these 5-6 active wells because no one has come forth to claim them but my cousins (for obvious reasons).

Even though my cousin is “retired” and lives less than two miles from state offices, has served them personally with everything (getting conformed copies) and can camp on their doorstep if he wishes to, Joe6p can’t fight city hall alone. It is clear that the state knows damn well exactly where the checks are coming from because THEY are collecting them and are stonewalling my cousin into oblivion, hoping he will get tired and go away.

One can only imagine how much other gas and oil royalty income the state has been collecting over the years due to all the (ignorant) heirs out there who don’t realize they’re entitled to them and/or don’t read the state’s published “unclaimed property” lists. It’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack and that’s exactly how the state likes it.

[NotCranky]

By the Numbers: US Poverty

Good comments in the comment section.

Obama is getting the “OJ Simpson” effect from the black population and other dems. When he is no longer in office, it’s probably going to get bad with all these poor lives made even lower on his watch.

It’s interesting that Obama promised “shovel ready jobs” ….very impactful on the minds of unskilled workers, I would think, in it’s promise that there might be jobs they are qualified for. Good thing he didn’t say college grad ready jobs, either way fulfillment is low.

[NotCranky]

Maybe the reference was for those “shovel ready” jobs for the secret service to put in the garden beds at the capitol?

[bearishgurl]

This interesting study by the DOE just in:

PITTSBURGH (AP) – The final report from a landmark federal study on hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, found no evidence that chemicals or brine water from the gas drilling process moved upward to contaminate drinking water at a site in western Pennsylvania.

The Department of Energy report, released Monday, was the first time an energy company allowed independent monitoring of a drilling site during the fracking process and for 18 months afterward. After those months of monitoring, researchers found that the chemical-laced fluids used to free gas stayed about 5,000 feet below drinking water supplies.

Scientists used tracer fluids, seismic monitoring and other tests to look for problems, and created the most detailed public report to date about how fracking affects adjacent rock structures.

The fracking process uses millions of gallons of high-pressure water mixed with sand and chemicals to break apart rocks rich in oil and gas. That has led to a national boom in production, but also to concerns about possible groundwater contamination.

“There are a whole wealth of harms associated with shale gas development” separate from fracking, said Maya K. van Rossum, of the Delaware Riverkeeper group. She mentioned methane gas leaks, wasteful use of fresh water and air pollution, and said the Energy Department study confirms a point that the Riverkeeper has been making: that faulty well construction is the root cause of most problems, not fracking chemicals migrating up through rocks.

A separate study published this week by different researchers examined drilling sites in Pennsylvania and Texas using other methods. It found that faulty well construction caused pollution, but not fracking itself.

Avner Vengosh, a Duke University scientist involved with that study, just published in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, said in an email that it appears the Energy Department report on the Pennsylvania site is consistent with their findings…

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/09/16/landmark-fracking-study-finds-no-water-pollution/20963394/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl26%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D530208

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Blogstar]http://billmoyers.com/2013/05/29/u-s-poverty-by-the-numbers/

Good comments in the comment section.

Obama is getting the “OJ Simpson” effect from the black population and other dems. When he is no longer in office, it’s probably going to get bad with all these poor lives made even lower on his watch.

It’s interesting that Obama promised “shovel ready jobs” ….very impactful on the minds of unskilled workers, I would think, in it’s promise that there might be jobs they are qualified for. Good thing he didn’t say college grad ready jobs, either way fulfillment is low.[/quote]

That’s just a jaded, cynical view of life.

But anyway, what does it have to do with Ferguson?

Just because you don’t like the way society is as a whole doesn’t mean that some people aren’t doing meaningful things.

Your same logic could apply to the Pope.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]http://billmoyers.com/2013/05/29/u-s-poverty-by-the-numbers/

Good comments in the comment section.

Obama is getting the “OJ Simpson” effect from the black population and other dems. When he is no longer in office, it’s probably going to get bad with all these poor lives made even lower on his watch.

It’s interesting that Obama promised “shovel ready jobs” ….very impactful on the minds of unskilled workers, I would think, in it’s promise that there might be jobs they are qualified for. Good thing he didn’t say college grad ready jobs, either way fulfillment is low.[/quote]

That’s just a jaded, cynical view of life.

But anyway, what does it have to do with Ferguson?

Just because you don’t like the way society is as a whole doesn’t mean that some people aren’t doing meaningful things.

Your same logic could apply to the Pope.[/quote]

Who is jaded me or the person who showed how badly off the poor are since shovel ready jobs? You don’t doubt Obama has a Halo effect and sending Holder and 50 DOJ personnel to Ferguson is about maintaining that? It has to do with Ferguson because there are a lot of shovel ready types there saying it is going to get worse if they can’t get work. Not if the police force doesn’t change …but if they can’t get work. I am pretty much betting they don’t get work.

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