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April 13, 2009 at 11:27 AM #380681April 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM #380052
Allan from Fallbrook
Participantsd_matt: Which problem with Mexico are you referring to, exactly?
70+ years of endemic corruption and kleptocratic misrule?
The burgeoning Zapatista insurgency in the southern part of Mexico?
The failed War on Drugs campaign?
Out of curiosity, what’s your answer as far as fixing the problem(s)?
April 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM #380324Participantsd_matt: Which problem with Mexico are you referring to, exactly?
70+ years of endemic corruption and kleptocratic misrule?
The burgeoning Zapatista insurgency in the southern part of Mexico?
The failed War on Drugs campaign?
Out of curiosity, what’s your answer as far as fixing the problem(s)?
April 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM #380510Participantsd_matt: Which problem with Mexico are you referring to, exactly?
70+ years of endemic corruption and kleptocratic misrule?
The burgeoning Zapatista insurgency in the southern part of Mexico?
The failed War on Drugs campaign?
Out of curiosity, what’s your answer as far as fixing the problem(s)?
April 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM #380557Participantsd_matt: Which problem with Mexico are you referring to, exactly?
70+ years of endemic corruption and kleptocratic misrule?
The burgeoning Zapatista insurgency in the southern part of Mexico?
The failed War on Drugs campaign?
Out of curiosity, what’s your answer as far as fixing the problem(s)?
April 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM #380686Participantsd_matt: Which problem with Mexico are you referring to, exactly?
70+ years of endemic corruption and kleptocratic misrule?
The burgeoning Zapatista insurgency in the southern part of Mexico?
The failed War on Drugs campaign?
Out of curiosity, what’s your answer as far as fixing the problem(s)?
April 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM #380072nostradamus
ParticipantI was wondering if the SEALs success with these pirates over the weekend would somehow parlay into a stock market rally today… Then I saw this amusing and semi-related editorial saying the SEALs should take out the pirate bankers that are looting our country… Pretty funny.
April 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM #380342ParticipantI was wondering if the SEALs success with these pirates over the weekend would somehow parlay into a stock market rally today… Then I saw this amusing and semi-related editorial saying the SEALs should take out the pirate bankers that are looting our country… Pretty funny.
April 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM #380530ParticipantI was wondering if the SEALs success with these pirates over the weekend would somehow parlay into a stock market rally today… Then I saw this amusing and semi-related editorial saying the SEALs should take out the pirate bankers that are looting our country… Pretty funny.
April 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM #380577ParticipantI was wondering if the SEALs success with these pirates over the weekend would somehow parlay into a stock market rally today… Then I saw this amusing and semi-related editorial saying the SEALs should take out the pirate bankers that are looting our country… Pretty funny.
April 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM #380706ParticipantI was wondering if the SEALs success with these pirates over the weekend would somehow parlay into a stock market rally today… Then I saw this amusing and semi-related editorial saying the SEALs should take out the pirate bankers that are looting our country… Pretty funny.
April 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM #380335equalizer
Participant[quote=esmith][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=esmith]Of course, no mention of women and children who starve to death because of Americans’ refusal to pay ransom.[/quote]
esmith: Really? So, in your mind, this is a legitimate business enterprise? Americans should just pay the ransom, right? Because all of those pirates are simply there as family men.
This is worse than moral equivalency; this is moral infantilism. I worked counterinsurgency when I was in the Army and I’ll tell you this: Those SEALs waxing those pirates will send a very clear message and the OP captures it perfectly. In the French: “Pour encourager les autres”.
[/quote]In my mind, it is an interesting moral conundrum, the kind that Americans don’t get to face in their own country and so it gets easy to write these off to “us vs. them”. Is it legitimate and/or moral to steal from the rich in order to feed your starving wife and children?
Is it legitimate and/or moral that the captain in question makes roughly 200 times as much as an average resident of Somalia?
[/quote]
Have I wasted 3 years here? Have you learned nothing from my derisory posts? I’ll spare you the existential rants about it doesn’t matter. If you want to be torture yourself as a do gooder, then as a business prof liked to say, “Know your target market”. If you are going to duel with the best here, read the following three books before you engage in verbal combat1)”The Art of War”
2)”How to Argue & Win Every Time”:
3) BLACK’S LAW: A Criminal Lawyer Reveals His Defense Strategies in Four Cliffhanger Cases
Oh, and you might try using a better case, such as Buddhists monks hijacking a boat to steal rice and beans. [or convince Rick Warren to take up your cause since he is a buddy of the President]
In this case, the background stage is very unsympathetic to say the least:“Among the cargo of the 17,000-tonne Maersk Alabama was UN food aid destined for Somalia and Uganda.
The vessel was carrying relief supplies for USAID, the U.N. World Food Program and the Christian charities WorldVision and Catholic Relief Services. The U.N. agency said its portion of the cargo included nearly 4,100 metric tons of corn-soya blend bound for Somalia and Uganda, and another 990 metric tons of vegetable oil for refugees in Kenya. ‘There are starving people in Africa who need this food,” Reinhart said.’ ”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/08/ship.hijacked/index.html
April 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM #380608Participant[quote=esmith][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=esmith]Of course, no mention of women and children who starve to death because of Americans’ refusal to pay ransom.[/quote]
esmith: Really? So, in your mind, this is a legitimate business enterprise? Americans should just pay the ransom, right? Because all of those pirates are simply there as family men.
This is worse than moral equivalency; this is moral infantilism. I worked counterinsurgency when I was in the Army and I’ll tell you this: Those SEALs waxing those pirates will send a very clear message and the OP captures it perfectly. In the French: “Pour encourager les autres”.
[/quote]In my mind, it is an interesting moral conundrum, the kind that Americans don’t get to face in their own country and so it gets easy to write these off to “us vs. them”. Is it legitimate and/or moral to steal from the rich in order to feed your starving wife and children?
Is it legitimate and/or moral that the captain in question makes roughly 200 times as much as an average resident of Somalia?
[/quote]
Have I wasted 3 years here? Have you learned nothing from my derisory posts? I’ll spare you the existential rants about it doesn’t matter. If you want to be torture yourself as a do gooder, then as a business prof liked to say, “Know your target market”. If you are going to duel with the best here, read the following three books before you engage in verbal combat1)”The Art of War”
2)”How to Argue & Win Every Time”:
3) BLACK’S LAW: A Criminal Lawyer Reveals His Defense Strategies in Four Cliffhanger Cases
Oh, and you might try using a better case, such as Buddhists monks hijacking a boat to steal rice and beans. [or convince Rick Warren to take up your cause since he is a buddy of the President]
In this case, the background stage is very unsympathetic to say the least:“Among the cargo of the 17,000-tonne Maersk Alabama was UN food aid destined for Somalia and Uganda.
The vessel was carrying relief supplies for USAID, the U.N. World Food Program and the Christian charities WorldVision and Catholic Relief Services. The U.N. agency said its portion of the cargo included nearly 4,100 metric tons of corn-soya blend bound for Somalia and Uganda, and another 990 metric tons of vegetable oil for refugees in Kenya. ‘There are starving people in Africa who need this food,” Reinhart said.’ ”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/08/ship.hijacked/index.html
April 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM #380796Participant[quote=esmith][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=esmith]Of course, no mention of women and children who starve to death because of Americans’ refusal to pay ransom.[/quote]
esmith: Really? So, in your mind, this is a legitimate business enterprise? Americans should just pay the ransom, right? Because all of those pirates are simply there as family men.
This is worse than moral equivalency; this is moral infantilism. I worked counterinsurgency when I was in the Army and I’ll tell you this: Those SEALs waxing those pirates will send a very clear message and the OP captures it perfectly. In the French: “Pour encourager les autres”.
[/quote]In my mind, it is an interesting moral conundrum, the kind that Americans don’t get to face in their own country and so it gets easy to write these off to “us vs. them”. Is it legitimate and/or moral to steal from the rich in order to feed your starving wife and children?
Is it legitimate and/or moral that the captain in question makes roughly 200 times as much as an average resident of Somalia?
[/quote]
Have I wasted 3 years here? Have you learned nothing from my derisory posts? I’ll spare you the existential rants about it doesn’t matter. If you want to be torture yourself as a do gooder, then as a business prof liked to say, “Know your target market”. If you are going to duel with the best here, read the following three books before you engage in verbal combat1)”The Art of War”
2)”How to Argue & Win Every Time”:
3) BLACK’S LAW: A Criminal Lawyer Reveals His Defense Strategies in Four Cliffhanger Cases
Oh, and you might try using a better case, such as Buddhists monks hijacking a boat to steal rice and beans. [or convince Rick Warren to take up your cause since he is a buddy of the President]
In this case, the background stage is very unsympathetic to say the least:“Among the cargo of the 17,000-tonne Maersk Alabama was UN food aid destined for Somalia and Uganda.
The vessel was carrying relief supplies for USAID, the U.N. World Food Program and the Christian charities WorldVision and Catholic Relief Services. The U.N. agency said its portion of the cargo included nearly 4,100 metric tons of corn-soya blend bound for Somalia and Uganda, and another 990 metric tons of vegetable oil for refugees in Kenya. ‘There are starving people in Africa who need this food,” Reinhart said.’ ”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/08/ship.hijacked/index.html
April 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM #380844Participant[quote=esmith][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=esmith]Of course, no mention of women and children who starve to death because of Americans’ refusal to pay ransom.[/quote]
esmith: Really? So, in your mind, this is a legitimate business enterprise? Americans should just pay the ransom, right? Because all of those pirates are simply there as family men.
This is worse than moral equivalency; this is moral infantilism. I worked counterinsurgency when I was in the Army and I’ll tell you this: Those SEALs waxing those pirates will send a very clear message and the OP captures it perfectly. In the French: “Pour encourager les autres”.
[/quote]In my mind, it is an interesting moral conundrum, the kind that Americans don’t get to face in their own country and so it gets easy to write these off to “us vs. them”. Is it legitimate and/or moral to steal from the rich in order to feed your starving wife and children?
Is it legitimate and/or moral that the captain in question makes roughly 200 times as much as an average resident of Somalia?
[/quote]
Have I wasted 3 years here? Have you learned nothing from my derisory posts? I’ll spare you the existential rants about it doesn’t matter. If you want to be torture yourself as a do gooder, then as a business prof liked to say, “Know your target market”. If you are going to duel with the best here, read the following three books before you engage in verbal combat1)”The Art of War”
2)”How to Argue & Win Every Time”:
3) BLACK’S LAW: A Criminal Lawyer Reveals His Defense Strategies in Four Cliffhanger Cases
Oh, and you might try using a better case, such as Buddhists monks hijacking a boat to steal rice and beans. [or convince Rick Warren to take up your cause since he is a buddy of the President]
In this case, the background stage is very unsympathetic to say the least:“Among the cargo of the 17,000-tonne Maersk Alabama was UN food aid destined for Somalia and Uganda.
The vessel was carrying relief supplies for USAID, the U.N. World Food Program and the Christian charities WorldVision and Catholic Relief Services. The U.N. agency said its portion of the cargo included nearly 4,100 metric tons of corn-soya blend bound for Somalia and Uganda, and another 990 metric tons of vegetable oil for refugees in Kenya. ‘There are starving people in Africa who need this food,” Reinhart said.’ ”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/08/ship.hijacked/index.html
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