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November 26, 2015 at 6:14 PM #21783November 27, 2015 at 5:14 AM #791592
scaredyclassic
ParticipantWhite privilehe, male privilege, seems to me to assume that whites treat each other decently or that men aren’t trying to tear one another down or apart.
Perceiving micro aggression might be a way to avoid the reality that it is everywhere. The world and,people suck ….
November 27, 2015 at 8:17 AM #791596paramount
ParticipantEasy fix here: stop institutional discrimination.
November 27, 2015 at 9:22 AM #791598spdrun
ParticipantI’m White. Being a new kid in my town, I got tons more cr@p from other White kids in high school than from my Black, Asian, or Latino classmates. Before college, “decency” was not my experience with many of my white classmates.
I will also add that Black students are sometimes not to succeed in high school by not being given the more advanced classes, despite their intelligence. Dated someone in HS who was quite smart, but (non-American) Black. (Got no end of cr@p for this, but that’s another story.)
She wasn’t given many of the honors classes despite being pretty damn smart. She did much better after her family moved into the city and she went to a Catholic school. Ended up going to a good university, then med school, and she’s doing quite well now. Had she stayed at a suburban public school, the outcome might have been different.
November 27, 2015 at 7:13 PM #791614FlyerInHi
GuestHonestly, I didn’t know about Woodrow Wilson being a racist. My history professor was a Wilson scholar and we heard about the League of Nations, etc. but nothing about the president’s racism. The students have a point in his case, I believe.
November 28, 2015 at 6:29 AM #791623Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Honestly, I didn’t know about Woodrow Wilson being a racist. My history professor was a Wilson scholar and we heard about the League of Nations, etc. but nothing about the president’s racism. The students have a point in his case, I believe.[/quote]
What point?
what does it matter now, a name? Should mlk blvds. Be renamed because he was a plagiarism and liked whores.
Supposedly Martin stole church donation to hire and beat hooked at parties. So what? What gain in renaming Wilson st or mlk park?
November 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM #791630GuestIt depends.
A prestigious school of public policy named after an awoved racist is just bad policy and bad reputation.
A street might be ok, but it’s really not ok.
Jefferson Davis highway outside of DC is just bad. The south lost. They should submit.
Here a professor makes a case:
http://www.npr.org/2015/07/02/419554834/rejection-of-flag-exposes-larger-truths-about-the-confederacyMLK Blvd is just bad for real estate values. They should not pick the worst neighborhoods for MLK. Better to name public buildings, but not neighborhood schools, after MLK.
November 28, 2015 at 7:04 PM #791633GuestThere’s prestigious avenue in Paris named for Wilson. I doubt they’ll rename it.
But the name gives me bad vibes after I read all the articles about Wilson’s racism.https://www.google.com/search?site=webhp&tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=KGdaVqbbI4TZoATO-qGwAQ&q=avenue+du+president+wilson&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.41l3.0.0.0.5631.1.1.0.1.1.0.170.170.0j1.1.0….0…1c..64.mobile-gws-hp..0.1.16.3.osng7PSqnd8
November 28, 2015 at 9:48 PM #791636ParticipantShould we vet all past and present historians, all authors, all poets, for vestiges of racism, and excise them as well?
Is this meaningful or a giant sideshow from what matters.
November 28, 2015 at 10:26 PM #791637GuestYes, we fought a civil war and the Union won. Racism as a symbol of the South should be thoroughly “debathified”.
If a writer wrote a few racist comments but his work was excellent, then that’s a distraction.
Is Wagner’s music a giant side show for Jewish audiences? I think Jewish students might object to a prestigious Richard Wagner school of music and his name printed on letterhead and diplomas.
November 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM #791638ocrenter
ParticipantWould say this is definitely true. In fact, the mismatch effect is far deeper than the way the article explains it. Reason is not only is there intentional mismatch of black and Hispanic students, there is intentional mismatch of Asian students due to the Ivy League’s racially motivated quota system.
We all know based on elite UC % of Asian population that if the racial quota of the Ivy League is done away with, instead of the 15% bar for Asian students, the Ivys will likely see at least a 20% bump in its Asian population. This intentional mismatch means these students are pushed down to the next tier, making that lower elite school more competitive, yet making it that much harder for the black and Hispanic student to survive.
Let’s say John is an Ivy caliber Asian student and Joe is a Cal State caliber Hispanic. Under the current system of racial preference, both John and Joe will end up in the same UC school. Not only was Joe already ill equipped to handle UC level competition, but now he has to compete with Ivy level classmates too. I saw this first hand 20 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.
November 29, 2015 at 7:38 AM #791639zk
ParticipantExcellent point, ocrenter.
As I’ve said before on this forum, you have to start at the beginning. With elementary schools and parents. By the time they get to college, you can’t just stick them in schools they’re not qualified or prepared for and expect them to perform.
As far as Wilson goes, if we’re going to be like that about it, we’d have to rename everything named after most Americans who lived in his era and before:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/abraham-lincoln-racist/?_r=0
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/founding-fathers-and-slaveholders-72262393/?all
The prevalence of the view that blacks and whites are equal is a relatively recent phenomenon here.
While slavery is obviously an atrocity, and while it’s easy for us to see that racism is wrong, to judge a person from 150 years ago by his views on race is not realistic.
November 29, 2015 at 9:35 AM #791640ParticipantNovember 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM #791641ParticipantHighlights of student demands
Kind of scary.
November 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM #791642Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]https://storify.com/walterolson/getting-started?utm_campaign&utm_source=t.co&utm_content=storify-pingback&utm_medium=sfy.co-twitter&awesm=sfy.co_p1105
Highlights of student demands
Kind of scary.[/quote]
Funny but after the first couple of examples I was already thinking Cultural Revolution.
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