OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

[Aecetia]

“There is a growing body of scientific evidence that alcoholism has a genetic component, but the actual gene that may cause it has yet to be identified.
Studies of laboratory animals as well as human test subjects indicate that genetic factors play a major role in the development of alcoholism, but just how much a factor remains undetermined.”

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/genetics/a/aa990517.htm

[NotCranky]

Sorry for the spate of typos and broken sentences in my posts.

Aecetia, that’s the type of study I talked about. It comes out at least every couple of years. Without even going past your excerpt, you can see that it is full of this build-up followed by exculpatory language and a muddled conclusion.Fault with the study is eventually published. In some cases it is already obvious. It is a terrible disservice to alcoholics. It corrupts knowledge of the topic in the general public. Lather rinse repeat.

[NotCranky]

Sorry for the spate of typos and broken sentences in my posts.

Aecetia, that’s the type of study I talked about. It comes out at least every couple of years. Without even going past your excerpt, you can see that it is full of this build-up followed by exculpatory language and a muddled conclusion.Fault with the study is eventually published. In some cases it is already obvious. It is a terrible disservice to alcoholics. It corrupts knowledge of the topic in the general public. Lather rinse repeat.

[NotCranky]

Sorry for the spate of typos and broken sentences in my posts.

Aecetia, that’s the type of study I talked about. It comes out at least every couple of years. Without even going past your excerpt, you can see that it is full of this build-up followed by exculpatory language and a muddled conclusion.Fault with the study is eventually published. In some cases it is already obvious. It is a terrible disservice to alcoholics. It corrupts knowledge of the topic in the general public. Lather rinse repeat.

[NotCranky]

Sorry for the spate of typos and broken sentences in my posts.

Aecetia, that’s the type of study I talked about. It comes out at least every couple of years. Without even going past your excerpt, you can see that it is full of this build-up followed by exculpatory language and a muddled conclusion.Fault with the study is eventually published. In some cases it is already obvious. It is a terrible disservice to alcoholics. It corrupts knowledge of the topic in the general public. Lather rinse repeat.

[NotCranky]

Sorry for the spate of typos and broken sentences in my posts.

Aecetia, that’s the type of study I talked about. It comes out at least every couple of years. Without even going past your excerpt, you can see that it is full of this build-up followed by exculpatory language and a muddled conclusion.Fault with the study is eventually published. In some cases it is already obvious. It is a terrible disservice to alcoholics. It corrupts knowledge of the topic in the general public. Lather rinse repeat.

[briansd1]

[quote=Rustico] I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.[/quote]

Well said. Genetics or not, we need to break the cycle.

I think that we do a disservice to the addicted by saying it’s genetic. They interpret that as nothing can be done so they’re just condemned to addiction.

There is a genetic component, but with the right environment factors, and will-power, the addicts can overcome.

[briansd1]

[quote=Rustico] I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.[/quote]

Well said. Genetics or not, we need to break the cycle.

I think that we do a disservice to the addicted by saying it’s genetic. They interpret that as nothing can be done so they’re just condemned to addiction.

There is a genetic component, but with the right environment factors, and will-power, the addicts can overcome.

[briansd1]

[quote=Rustico] I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.[/quote]

Well said. Genetics or not, we need to break the cycle.

I think that we do a disservice to the addicted by saying it’s genetic. They interpret that as nothing can be done so they’re just condemned to addiction.

There is a genetic component, but with the right environment factors, and will-power, the addicts can overcome.

[briansd1]

[quote=Rustico] I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.[/quote]

Well said. Genetics or not, we need to break the cycle.

I think that we do a disservice to the addicted by saying it’s genetic. They interpret that as nothing can be done so they’re just condemned to addiction.

There is a genetic component, but with the right environment factors, and will-power, the addicts can overcome.

[briansd1]

[quote=Rustico] I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.[/quote]

Well said. Genetics or not, we need to break the cycle.

I think that we do a disservice to the addicted by saying it’s genetic. They interpret that as nothing can be done so they’re just condemned to addiction.

There is a genetic component, but with the right environment factors, and will-power, the addicts can overcome.

[bearishgurl]

If there is no genetic predisposition to alcoholism, then why is it so rampant among indigenous peoples of North America, i.e. Native American tribes? Why is cirrhosis in their 40’s and 50’s also prevalent among them??

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-4/253.pdf

The age-adjusted mortality rates for the following causes were higher among American Indians than among all races in the U.S in 1983:
1. Tuberculosis–560% greater
2. Alcoholism–374% greater
3. Accidents–135% greater
4. Diabetes–107% greater
5. Homicide–91% greater
6. Pneumonia and influenza–39% greater

It might be argued that most Native Americans are living in substandard conditions and are poorly socialized. Based upon personal experience, I believe the opposite to be true. Many tribes build new construction SFR’s for their members to live in on tribal lands. They socialize with each other, attend public schools and get first preference to casino hiring (mostly “public” jobs requiring social skills). Many are elected to tribal and local/state legislative posts. These tribes also have housing downpayment assistance available for their members in the form of cash gifts and septic/leachfield placement and services available for those members who buy land (improved or unimproved) and need this assistance. Tax free supermarkets and stores abound on the reservations. There are also small business and educational grants available from many tribes. Free medical, dental and vision services are available for tribal members at their local tribal clinics/hospitals/physical rehab centers (the tribes “comp” each other’s members). If a member needs medical services at a bigger, better or distant facility, Indian Health Svcs will pick up the tab (at MediCaid reimbursement rates).

In my travels, I see frequent billboards advertising self-determination and abstinence from alcohol and drugs. It seems that it is a constant struggle for the tribes to keep many of their members clean and sober. After the crystal meth “epicenter” moved out of SD East County in the mid-90’s (thanks to Dianne Jacob and the multi-agency “Meth Strike Force” who drove it out with a vengeance), this mfg activity and user epidemic has migrated eastward – as far eastward as the state of Arkansas. This is a terrible threat to rural tribal members who may be exposed to this activity and these chemicals all around them, including the pollution of their groundwater and soil. Law enforcement in these areas are now beginning to get help from the Federal govt (DEA and NTF) who are going undercover by setting up shop in unlabeled, nondescript trailers in these areas. There are billboards all over these areas warning tribal members to stay away from meth and other drugs and listing free numbers to call for help.

Arkansas Substance Abuse Situation and Government Response
Tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana and hundreds of kilos of cocaine continue to be seized each year on Arkansas’ interstate highways. Interstate 40, which crosses the state from east to west and runs through the largest city of Little Rock, remains the most popular highway for the transportation of drugs. Criminal groups in Arkansas have also been acquiring thousands of cases of pseudoephedrine from wholesalers and often use complicated networks to illegally transport and sell the decongestant to methamphetamine producers, who use it in the creation of meth.

One program set up by the state to help defray the negative effects that are often brought by drug addiction is the Arkansas Alliance for Drug Endangered Children. The organization is a coalition of professionals that aids local communities in successfully and proficiently identifying and protecting children who are put in danger by caregivers who make, distribute, or use illegal drugs, especially methamphetamine and cocaine.

See: http://aboutrecovery.com/treatment-center/arkansas.htm

Certainly, meth and other narcotic addictions have environmental causes in that they are dependent upon local availability. But alcohol (and cigarettes) are legal and sold tax-free on the reservation. Native Americans overall are succumbing to alcohol-related deaths at younger and younger ages … many in their late 30’s and 40’s. It’s an overwhelming race against time for these tribes. The general population has just as much access to alcohol as they do, yet fares better in their ability to handle alcohol. For that reason, I DO believe Native Americans (many mixed with Irish and Scots-Irish, btw), have a “genetic predisposition” (not calling it a “gene”) to alcohol addiction. The same could be said of Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, Guamanians and South Pacific Islanders, all indigenous peoples of their respective territories. See:

http://www.adp.ca.gov/indian/substance.shtml

http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/tribal/pdf/pao_hshandout021605.pdf

http://conferences.jbs.biz/treatment_homeless_08/PostWebSitePosting/3%20Wednesday,%20June%2018/11%20Ehrlich,%20Nakai%20wrkshp/Ehrlich/Hnd%20Interventions%20for%20Alcohol%20Problems%20in%20Minority%20and%20Rural%20Populations.pdf

http://www.alcohol-information.com/Alcohol_Abuse_in_Native_Communities.html

http://adaeveningnews.com/cnhins/x212584107/Chickasaw-Nation-fighting-addictions

http://www.addictionsearch.com/addiction-treatment/OK-29501/native-american-center-of-recovery-inc/

http://www.sober-solutions.com/oklahoma-drug-rehab-alcohol-treatment/

http://www.interventionservicesinc.com/oklahoma-interventionist.php

One of the most renowned residential rehab and detox centers in the world is located lakefront in a beautiful and peaceful part of the country (“Indian Territory”), now in the epicenter of an insidious and pervasive meth-infestation corridor. Cost is $7K to $10K per month.

See: http://www.narcononcenter.com/NarcononArrowhead.html

[bearishgurl]

If there is no genetic predisposition to alcoholism, then why is it so rampant among indigenous peoples of North America, i.e. Native American tribes? Why is cirrhosis in their 40’s and 50’s also prevalent among them??

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-4/253.pdf

The age-adjusted mortality rates for the following causes were higher among American Indians than among all races in the U.S in 1983:
1. Tuberculosis–560% greater
2. Alcoholism–374% greater
3. Accidents–135% greater
4. Diabetes–107% greater
5. Homicide–91% greater
6. Pneumonia and influenza–39% greater

It might be argued that most Native Americans are living in substandard conditions and are poorly socialized. Based upon personal experience, I believe the opposite to be true. Many tribes build new construction SFR’s for their members to live in on tribal lands. They socialize with each other, attend public schools and get first preference to casino hiring (mostly “public” jobs requiring social skills). Many are elected to tribal and local/state legislative posts. These tribes also have housing downpayment assistance available for their members in the form of cash gifts and septic/leachfield placement and services available for those members who buy land (improved or unimproved) and need this assistance. Tax free supermarkets and stores abound on the reservations. There are also small business and educational grants available from many tribes. Free medical, dental and vision services are available for tribal members at their local tribal clinics/hospitals/physical rehab centers (the tribes “comp” each other’s members). If a member needs medical services at a bigger, better or distant facility, Indian Health Svcs will pick up the tab (at MediCaid reimbursement rates).

In my travels, I see frequent billboards advertising self-determination and abstinence from alcohol and drugs. It seems that it is a constant struggle for the tribes to keep many of their members clean and sober. After the crystal meth “epicenter” moved out of SD East County in the mid-90’s (thanks to Dianne Jacob and the multi-agency “Meth Strike Force” who drove it out with a vengeance), this mfg activity and user epidemic has migrated eastward – as far eastward as the state of Arkansas. This is a terrible threat to rural tribal members who may be exposed to this activity and these chemicals all around them, including the pollution of their groundwater and soil. Law enforcement in these areas are now beginning to get help from the Federal govt (DEA and NTF) who are going undercover by setting up shop in unlabeled, nondescript trailers in these areas. There are billboards all over these areas warning tribal members to stay away from meth and other drugs and listing free numbers to call for help.

Arkansas Substance Abuse Situation and Government Response
Tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana and hundreds of kilos of cocaine continue to be seized each year on Arkansas’ interstate highways. Interstate 40, which crosses the state from east to west and runs through the largest city of Little Rock, remains the most popular highway for the transportation of drugs. Criminal groups in Arkansas have also been acquiring thousands of cases of pseudoephedrine from wholesalers and often use complicated networks to illegally transport and sell the decongestant to methamphetamine producers, who use it in the creation of meth.

One program set up by the state to help defray the negative effects that are often brought by drug addiction is the Arkansas Alliance for Drug Endangered Children. The organization is a coalition of professionals that aids local communities in successfully and proficiently identifying and protecting children who are put in danger by caregivers who make, distribute, or use illegal drugs, especially methamphetamine and cocaine.

See: http://aboutrecovery.com/treatment-center/arkansas.htm

Certainly, meth and other narcotic addictions have environmental causes in that they are dependent upon local availability. But alcohol (and cigarettes) are legal and sold tax-free on the reservation. Native Americans overall are succumbing to alcohol-related deaths at younger and younger ages … many in their late 30’s and 40’s. It’s an overwhelming race against time for these tribes. The general population has just as much access to alcohol as they do, yet fares better in their ability to handle alcohol. For that reason, I DO believe Native Americans (many mixed with Irish and Scots-Irish, btw), have a “genetic predisposition” (not calling it a “gene”) to alcohol addiction. The same could be said of Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, Guamanians and South Pacific Islanders, all indigenous peoples of their respective territories. See:

http://www.adp.ca.gov/indian/substance.shtml

http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/tribal/pdf/pao_hshandout021605.pdf

http://conferences.jbs.biz/treatment_homeless_08/PostWebSitePosting/3%20Wednesday,%20June%2018/11%20Ehrlich,%20Nakai%20wrkshp/Ehrlich/Hnd%20Interventions%20for%20Alcohol%20Problems%20in%20Minority%20and%20Rural%20Populations.pdf

http://www.alcohol-information.com/Alcohol_Abuse_in_Native_Communities.html

http://adaeveningnews.com/cnhins/x212584107/Chickasaw-Nation-fighting-addictions

http://www.addictionsearch.com/addiction-treatment/OK-29501/native-american-center-of-recovery-inc/

http://www.sober-solutions.com/oklahoma-drug-rehab-alcohol-treatment/

http://www.interventionservicesinc.com/oklahoma-interventionist.php

One of the most renowned residential rehab and detox centers in the world is located lakefront in a beautiful and peaceful part of the country (“Indian Territory”), now in the epicenter of an insidious and pervasive meth-infestation corridor. Cost is $7K to $10K per month.

See: http://www.narcononcenter.com/NarcononArrowhead.html

[bearishgurl]

If there is no genetic predisposition to alcoholism, then why is it so rampant among indigenous peoples of North America, i.e. Native American tribes? Why is cirrhosis in their 40’s and 50’s also prevalent among them??

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-4/253.pdf

The age-adjusted mortality rates for the following causes were higher among American Indians than among all races in the U.S in 1983:
1. Tuberculosis–560% greater
2. Alcoholism–374% greater
3. Accidents–135% greater
4. Diabetes–107% greater
5. Homicide–91% greater
6. Pneumonia and influenza–39% greater

It might be argued that most Native Americans are living in substandard conditions and are poorly socialized. Based upon personal experience, I believe the opposite to be true. Many tribes build new construction SFR’s for their members to live in on tribal lands. They socialize with each other, attend public schools and get first preference to casino hiring (mostly “public” jobs requiring social skills). Many are elected to tribal and local/state legislative posts. These tribes also have housing downpayment assistance available for their members in the form of cash gifts and septic/leachfield placement and services available for those members who buy land (improved or unimproved) and need this assistance. Tax free supermarkets and stores abound on the reservations. There are also small business and educational grants available from many tribes. Free medical, dental and vision services are available for tribal members at their local tribal clinics/hospitals/physical rehab centers (the tribes “comp” each other’s members). If a member needs medical services at a bigger, better or distant facility, Indian Health Svcs will pick up the tab (at MediCaid reimbursement rates).

In my travels, I see frequent billboards advertising self-determination and abstinence from alcohol and drugs. It seems that it is a constant struggle for the tribes to keep many of their members clean and sober. After the crystal meth “epicenter” moved out of SD East County in the mid-90’s (thanks to Dianne Jacob and the multi-agency “Meth Strike Force” who drove it out with a vengeance), this mfg activity and user epidemic has migrated eastward – as far eastward as the state of Arkansas. This is a terrible threat to rural tribal members who may be exposed to this activity and these chemicals all around them, including the pollution of their groundwater and soil. Law enforcement in these areas are now beginning to get help from the Federal govt (DEA and NTF) who are going undercover by setting up shop in unlabeled, nondescript trailers in these areas. There are billboards all over these areas warning tribal members to stay away from meth and other drugs and listing free numbers to call for help.

Arkansas Substance Abuse Situation and Government Response
Tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana and hundreds of kilos of cocaine continue to be seized each year on Arkansas’ interstate highways. Interstate 40, which crosses the state from east to west and runs through the largest city of Little Rock, remains the most popular highway for the transportation of drugs. Criminal groups in Arkansas have also been acquiring thousands of cases of pseudoephedrine from wholesalers and often use complicated networks to illegally transport and sell the decongestant to methamphetamine producers, who use it in the creation of meth.

One program set up by the state to help defray the negative effects that are often brought by drug addiction is the Arkansas Alliance for Drug Endangered Children. The organization is a coalition of professionals that aids local communities in successfully and proficiently identifying and protecting children who are put in danger by caregivers who make, distribute, or use illegal drugs, especially methamphetamine and cocaine.

See: http://aboutrecovery.com/treatment-center/arkansas.htm

Certainly, meth and other narcotic addictions have environmental causes in that they are dependent upon local availability. But alcohol (and cigarettes) are legal and sold tax-free on the reservation. Native Americans overall are succumbing to alcohol-related deaths at younger and younger ages … many in their late 30’s and 40’s. It’s an overwhelming race against time for these tribes. The general population has just as much access to alcohol as they do, yet fares better in their ability to handle alcohol. For that reason, I DO believe Native Americans (many mixed with Irish and Scots-Irish, btw), have a “genetic predisposition” (not calling it a “gene”) to alcohol addiction. The same could be said of Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, Guamanians and South Pacific Islanders, all indigenous peoples of their respective territories. See:

http://www.adp.ca.gov/indian/substance.shtml

http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/tribal/pdf/pao_hshandout021605.pdf

http://conferences.jbs.biz/treatment_homeless_08/PostWebSitePosting/3%20Wednesday,%20June%2018/11%20Ehrlich,%20Nakai%20wrkshp/Ehrlich/Hnd%20Interventions%20for%20Alcohol%20Problems%20in%20Minority%20and%20Rural%20Populations.pdf

http://www.alcohol-information.com/Alcohol_Abuse_in_Native_Communities.html

http://adaeveningnews.com/cnhins/x212584107/Chickasaw-Nation-fighting-addictions

http://www.addictionsearch.com/addiction-treatment/OK-29501/native-american-center-of-recovery-inc/

http://www.sober-solutions.com/oklahoma-drug-rehab-alcohol-treatment/

http://www.interventionservicesinc.com/oklahoma-interventionist.php

One of the most renowned residential rehab and detox centers in the world is located lakefront in a beautiful and peaceful part of the country (“Indian Territory”), now in the epicenter of an insidious and pervasive meth-infestation corridor. Cost is $7K to $10K per month.

See: http://www.narcononcenter.com/NarcononArrowhead.html

[bearishgurl]

If there is no genetic predisposition to alcoholism, then why is it so rampant among indigenous peoples of North America, i.e. Native American tribes? Why is cirrhosis in their 40’s and 50’s also prevalent among them??

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-4/253.pdf

The age-adjusted mortality rates for the following causes were higher among American Indians than among all races in the U.S in 1983:
1. Tuberculosis–560% greater
2. Alcoholism–374% greater
3. Accidents–135% greater
4. Diabetes–107% greater
5. Homicide–91% greater
6. Pneumonia and influenza–39% greater

It might be argued that most Native Americans are living in substandard conditions and are poorly socialized. Based upon personal experience, I believe the opposite to be true. Many tribes build new construction SFR’s for their members to live in on tribal lands. They socialize with each other, attend public schools and get first preference to casino hiring (mostly “public” jobs requiring social skills). Many are elected to tribal and local/state legislative posts. These tribes also have housing downpayment assistance available for their members in the form of cash gifts and septic/leachfield placement and services available for those members who buy land (improved or unimproved) and need this assistance. Tax free supermarkets and stores abound on the reservations. There are also small business and educational grants available from many tribes. Free medical, dental and vision services are available for tribal members at their local tribal clinics/hospitals/physical rehab centers (the tribes “comp” each other’s members). If a member needs medical services at a bigger, better or distant facility, Indian Health Svcs will pick up the tab (at MediCaid reimbursement rates).

In my travels, I see frequent billboards advertising self-determination and abstinence from alcohol and drugs. It seems that it is a constant struggle for the tribes to keep many of their members clean and sober. After the crystal meth “epicenter” moved out of SD East County in the mid-90’s (thanks to Dianne Jacob and the multi-agency “Meth Strike Force” who drove it out with a vengeance), this mfg activity and user epidemic has migrated eastward – as far eastward as the state of Arkansas. This is a terrible threat to rural tribal members who may be exposed to this activity and these chemicals all around them, including the pollution of their groundwater and soil. Law enforcement in these areas are now beginning to get help from the Federal govt (DEA and NTF) who are going undercover by setting up shop in unlabeled, nondescript trailers in these areas. There are billboards all over these areas warning tribal members to stay away from meth and other drugs and listing free numbers to call for help.

Arkansas Substance Abuse Situation and Government Response
Tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana and hundreds of kilos of cocaine continue to be seized each year on Arkansas’ interstate highways. Interstate 40, which crosses the state from east to west and runs through the largest city of Little Rock, remains the most popular highway for the transportation of drugs. Criminal groups in Arkansas have also been acquiring thousands of cases of pseudoephedrine from wholesalers and often use complicated networks to illegally transport and sell the decongestant to methamphetamine producers, who use it in the creation of meth.

One program set up by the state to help defray the negative effects that are often brought by drug addiction is the Arkansas Alliance for Drug Endangered Children. The organization is a coalition of professionals that aids local communities in successfully and proficiently identifying and protecting children who are put in danger by caregivers who make, distribute, or use illegal drugs, especially methamphetamine and cocaine.

See: http://aboutrecovery.com/treatment-center/arkansas.htm

Certainly, meth and other narcotic addictions have environmental causes in that they are dependent upon local availability. But alcohol (and cigarettes) are legal and sold tax-free on the reservation. Native Americans overall are succumbing to alcohol-related deaths at younger and younger ages … many in their late 30’s and 40’s. It’s an overwhelming race against time for these tribes. The general population has just as much access to alcohol as they do, yet fares better in their ability to handle alcohol. For that reason, I DO believe Native Americans (many mixed with Irish and Scots-Irish, btw), have a “genetic predisposition” (not calling it a “gene”) to alcohol addiction. The same could be said of Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, Guamanians and South Pacific Islanders, all indigenous peoples of their respective territories. See:

http://www.adp.ca.gov/indian/substance.shtml

http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/tribal/pdf/pao_hshandout021605.pdf

http://conferences.jbs.biz/treatment_homeless_08/PostWebSitePosting/3%20Wednesday,%20June%2018/11%20Ehrlich,%20Nakai%20wrkshp/Ehrlich/Hnd%20Interventions%20for%20Alcohol%20Problems%20in%20Minority%20and%20Rural%20Populations.pdf

http://www.alcohol-information.com/Alcohol_Abuse_in_Native_Communities.html

http://adaeveningnews.com/cnhins/x212584107/Chickasaw-Nation-fighting-addictions

http://www.addictionsearch.com/addiction-treatment/OK-29501/native-american-center-of-recovery-inc/

http://www.sober-solutions.com/oklahoma-drug-rehab-alcohol-treatment/

http://www.interventionservicesinc.com/oklahoma-interventionist.php

One of the most renowned residential rehab and detox centers in the world is located lakefront in a beautiful and peaceful part of the country (“Indian Territory”), now in the epicenter of an insidious and pervasive meth-infestation corridor. Cost is $7K to $10K per month.

See: http://www.narcononcenter.com/NarcononArrowhead.html

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