OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

[briansd1]

[quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.

[jpinpb]

zk – that was another good link. This passage was what I was remembering:

One well–characterized relationship between genes and alcoholism is the result of variation in the liver enzymes that metabolize (break down) alcohol

And the way the liver processes the alcohol, you can say, contributes to the addiction.

Addiction is based in the brain. It involves memory, motivation, and emotional state. The processes involved in these aspects of brain function have thus been logical targets for the search for genes that underlie risk for alcoholism.

Rustico – I don’t want to or mean to simplify it, but I do believe that the gene is just one more thing that an alcoholic has against him. I don’t want to say the cards are stacked against him, but it is one more thing to deal with that someone without this issue wouldn’t have to worry about.

[jpinpb]

zk – that was another good link. This passage was what I was remembering:

One well–characterized relationship between genes and alcoholism is the result of variation in the liver enzymes that metabolize (break down) alcohol

And the way the liver processes the alcohol, you can say, contributes to the addiction.

Addiction is based in the brain. It involves memory, motivation, and emotional state. The processes involved in these aspects of brain function have thus been logical targets for the search for genes that underlie risk for alcoholism.

Rustico – I don’t want to or mean to simplify it, but I do believe that the gene is just one more thing that an alcoholic has against him. I don’t want to say the cards are stacked against him, but it is one more thing to deal with that someone without this issue wouldn’t have to worry about.

[jpinpb]

zk – that was another good link. This passage was what I was remembering:

One well–characterized relationship between genes and alcoholism is the result of variation in the liver enzymes that metabolize (break down) alcohol

And the way the liver processes the alcohol, you can say, contributes to the addiction.

Addiction is based in the brain. It involves memory, motivation, and emotional state. The processes involved in these aspects of brain function have thus been logical targets for the search for genes that underlie risk for alcoholism.

Rustico – I don’t want to or mean to simplify it, but I do believe that the gene is just one more thing that an alcoholic has against him. I don’t want to say the cards are stacked against him, but it is one more thing to deal with that someone without this issue wouldn’t have to worry about.

[jpinpb]

zk – that was another good link. This passage was what I was remembering:

One well–characterized relationship between genes and alcoholism is the result of variation in the liver enzymes that metabolize (break down) alcohol

And the way the liver processes the alcohol, you can say, contributes to the addiction.

Addiction is based in the brain. It involves memory, motivation, and emotional state. The processes involved in these aspects of brain function have thus been logical targets for the search for genes that underlie risk for alcoholism.

Rustico – I don’t want to or mean to simplify it, but I do believe that the gene is just one more thing that an alcoholic has against him. I don’t want to say the cards are stacked against him, but it is one more thing to deal with that someone without this issue wouldn’t have to worry about.

[jpinpb]

zk – that was another good link. This passage was what I was remembering:

One well–characterized relationship between genes and alcoholism is the result of variation in the liver enzymes that metabolize (break down) alcohol

And the way the liver processes the alcohol, you can say, contributes to the addiction.

Addiction is based in the brain. It involves memory, motivation, and emotional state. The processes involved in these aspects of brain function have thus been logical targets for the search for genes that underlie risk for alcoholism.

Rustico – I don’t want to or mean to simplify it, but I do believe that the gene is just one more thing that an alcoholic has against him. I don’t want to say the cards are stacked against him, but it is one more thing to deal with that someone without this issue wouldn’t have to worry about.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]

Again, it’s not nearly that simple. Will-power means fuck all if you don’t change your environment. And a vast amount of other pressures may be inhibiting the opportunity to do that. Also, a genetic contribution can be induced without it being “passed down” due to environment. So “procreating” alcoholics is not the entire issue.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]

Again, it’s not nearly that simple. Will-power means fuck all if you don’t change your environment. And a vast amount of other pressures may be inhibiting the opportunity to do that. Also, a genetic contribution can be induced without it being “passed down” due to environment. So “procreating” alcoholics is not the entire issue.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]

Again, it’s not nearly that simple. Will-power means fuck all if you don’t change your environment. And a vast amount of other pressures may be inhibiting the opportunity to do that. Also, a genetic contribution can be induced without it being “passed down” due to environment. So “procreating” alcoholics is not the entire issue.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]

Again, it’s not nearly that simple. Will-power means fuck all if you don’t change your environment. And a vast amount of other pressures may be inhibiting the opportunity to do that. Also, a genetic contribution can be induced without it being “passed down” due to environment. So “procreating” alcoholics is not the entire issue.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]

Again, it’s not nearly that simple. Will-power means fuck all if you don’t change your environment. And a vast amount of other pressures may be inhibiting the opportunity to do that. Also, a genetic contribution can be induced without it being “passed down” due to environment. So “procreating” alcoholics is not the entire issue.

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]
I think maybe it is hard for you to imagine how will power can be buried in negative experiences? I am not at all making the claim that alcoholics have weaker wills. They have lost the ability to apply will to reasonable self care. I am very sympathetic to their plight on this. I am not sure where or how intervention helps but I have heard it can.

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]
I think maybe it is hard for you to imagine how will power can be buried in negative experiences? I am not at all making the claim that alcoholics have weaker wills. They have lost the ability to apply will to reasonable self care. I am very sympathetic to their plight on this. I am not sure where or how intervention helps but I have heard it can.

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]
I think maybe it is hard for you to imagine how will power can be buried in negative experiences? I am not at all making the claim that alcoholics have weaker wills. They have lost the ability to apply will to reasonable self care. I am very sympathetic to their plight on this. I am not sure where or how intervention helps but I have heard it can.

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico]

[quote=Arraya]

Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]

Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]

Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.

I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.[/quote]
I think maybe it is hard for you to imagine how will power can be buried in negative experiences? I am not at all making the claim that alcoholics have weaker wills. They have lost the ability to apply will to reasonable self care. I am very sympathetic to their plight on this. I am not sure where or how intervention helps but I have heard it can.

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