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March 23, 2011 at 8:59 AM #681066March 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM #679910
jpinpb
Participant[quote=Rustico]That’s right,Arraya. I am not saying there is not a genetic contributor to this TYPE of behavior. The comment being made by other posters require data specific to the claims they are making. Specifically that there is a gene for alcoholism.
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. Alcoholism is a combination of a significantly poor environment interfering with mental standard that enforce proper self care, bad education on the topic, and chemistry. I agree it is very dangerous to conflate the problem by espousing that it is of a genetic origin specific to large numbers of people but not others.
To the other participants,
Please no more anectdotal stories about your brother, or uncle of whatever. I can elaborate on stronger anectdotal stories defending the counter point on genetics, but until that dna hits a centifuge or whatever the technology is it isn’t the proper kind of data to make proclamations in the field of genetics. “Professional” research documented in studies of questionable methods, that are incapable of getting repeatable results, which are full of disclaimers in the footnotes that render that inconclusive… are not representative of what passes for proof in this day. Please look more closely at the evidence.[/quote]I don’t think you’re referring to me. I already said:
[quote=jpinpb]I’m not taking it as the final word. I even said:
I’m sure there are many factors involved in alcohol addiction and/or dependency besides geneticsI just think that the genetics is just one more thing added to the mix. It scientifically does explain why some are more prone than others. But I don’t think that is the only reason.[/quote]
I agree completely w/what zk is saying. There’s more to this, but when you add the gene, that tips the scales, IMO.
March 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM #679964Participant[quote=Rustico]That’s right,Arraya. I am not saying there is not a genetic contributor to this TYPE of behavior. The comment being made by other posters require data specific to the claims they are making. Specifically that there is a gene for alcoholism.
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. Alcoholism is a combination of a significantly poor environment interfering with mental standard that enforce proper self care, bad education on the topic, and chemistry. I agree it is very dangerous to conflate the problem by espousing that it is of a genetic origin specific to large numbers of people but not others.
To the other participants,
Please no more anectdotal stories about your brother, or uncle of whatever. I can elaborate on stronger anectdotal stories defending the counter point on genetics, but until that dna hits a centifuge or whatever the technology is it isn’t the proper kind of data to make proclamations in the field of genetics. “Professional” research documented in studies of questionable methods, that are incapable of getting repeatable results, which are full of disclaimers in the footnotes that render that inconclusive… are not representative of what passes for proof in this day. Please look more closely at the evidence.[/quote]I don’t think you’re referring to me. I already said:
[quote=jpinpb]I’m not taking it as the final word. I even said:
I’m sure there are many factors involved in alcohol addiction and/or dependency besides geneticsI just think that the genetics is just one more thing added to the mix. It scientifically does explain why some are more prone than others. But I don’t think that is the only reason.[/quote]
I agree completely w/what zk is saying. There’s more to this, but when you add the gene, that tips the scales, IMO.
March 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM #680580Participant[quote=Rustico]That’s right,Arraya. I am not saying there is not a genetic contributor to this TYPE of behavior. The comment being made by other posters require data specific to the claims they are making. Specifically that there is a gene for alcoholism.
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. Alcoholism is a combination of a significantly poor environment interfering with mental standard that enforce proper self care, bad education on the topic, and chemistry. I agree it is very dangerous to conflate the problem by espousing that it is of a genetic origin specific to large numbers of people but not others.
To the other participants,
Please no more anectdotal stories about your brother, or uncle of whatever. I can elaborate on stronger anectdotal stories defending the counter point on genetics, but until that dna hits a centifuge or whatever the technology is it isn’t the proper kind of data to make proclamations in the field of genetics. “Professional” research documented in studies of questionable methods, that are incapable of getting repeatable results, which are full of disclaimers in the footnotes that render that inconclusive… are not representative of what passes for proof in this day. Please look more closely at the evidence.[/quote]I don’t think you’re referring to me. I already said:
[quote=jpinpb]I’m not taking it as the final word. I even said:
I’m sure there are many factors involved in alcohol addiction and/or dependency besides geneticsI just think that the genetics is just one more thing added to the mix. It scientifically does explain why some are more prone than others. But I don’t think that is the only reason.[/quote]
I agree completely w/what zk is saying. There’s more to this, but when you add the gene, that tips the scales, IMO.
March 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM #680717Participant[quote=Rustico]That’s right,Arraya. I am not saying there is not a genetic contributor to this TYPE of behavior. The comment being made by other posters require data specific to the claims they are making. Specifically that there is a gene for alcoholism.
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. Alcoholism is a combination of a significantly poor environment interfering with mental standard that enforce proper self care, bad education on the topic, and chemistry. I agree it is very dangerous to conflate the problem by espousing that it is of a genetic origin specific to large numbers of people but not others.
To the other participants,
Please no more anectdotal stories about your brother, or uncle of whatever. I can elaborate on stronger anectdotal stories defending the counter point on genetics, but until that dna hits a centifuge or whatever the technology is it isn’t the proper kind of data to make proclamations in the field of genetics. “Professional” research documented in studies of questionable methods, that are incapable of getting repeatable results, which are full of disclaimers in the footnotes that render that inconclusive… are not representative of what passes for proof in this day. Please look more closely at the evidence.[/quote]I don’t think you’re referring to me. I already said:
[quote=jpinpb]I’m not taking it as the final word. I even said:
I’m sure there are many factors involved in alcohol addiction and/or dependency besides geneticsI just think that the genetics is just one more thing added to the mix. It scientifically does explain why some are more prone than others. But I don’t think that is the only reason.[/quote]
I agree completely w/what zk is saying. There’s more to this, but when you add the gene, that tips the scales, IMO.
March 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM #681071Participant[quote=Rustico]That’s right,Arraya. I am not saying there is not a genetic contributor to this TYPE of behavior. The comment being made by other posters require data specific to the claims they are making. Specifically that there is a gene for alcoholism.
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. Alcoholism is a combination of a significantly poor environment interfering with mental standard that enforce proper self care, bad education on the topic, and chemistry. I agree it is very dangerous to conflate the problem by espousing that it is of a genetic origin specific to large numbers of people but not others.
To the other participants,
Please no more anectdotal stories about your brother, or uncle of whatever. I can elaborate on stronger anectdotal stories defending the counter point on genetics, but until that dna hits a centifuge or whatever the technology is it isn’t the proper kind of data to make proclamations in the field of genetics. “Professional” research documented in studies of questionable methods, that are incapable of getting repeatable results, which are full of disclaimers in the footnotes that render that inconclusive… are not representative of what passes for proof in this day. Please look more closely at the evidence.[/quote]I don’t think you’re referring to me. I already said:
[quote=jpinpb]I’m not taking it as the final word. I even said:
I’m sure there are many factors involved in alcohol addiction and/or dependency besides geneticsI just think that the genetics is just one more thing added to the mix. It scientifically does explain why some are more prone than others. But I don’t think that is the only reason.[/quote]
I agree completely w/what zk is saying. There’s more to this, but when you add the gene, that tips the scales, IMO.
March 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM #679915NotCranky
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Rustico]
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. .[/quote]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.
March 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM #679969Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Rustico]
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. .[/quote]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.
March 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM #680585Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Rustico]
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. .[/quote]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.
March 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM #680722Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Rustico]
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. .[/quote]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.
March 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM #681076Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Rustico]
I will go all in that we are all wired for consumption problems on some level and that there is not much variation in degree. I am not sure if this is genetic, pyschological or both, perhaps it is properly called “instinctual”. A vestigial survival device from prehistoric times. .[/quote]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.
March 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM #679925briansd1
Guest[quote=Rustico]
[quote=Arraya]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]
Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.
I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.
March 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM #679979Guest[quote=Rustico]
[quote=Arraya]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]
Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.
I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.
March 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM #680595Guest[quote=Rustico]
[quote=Arraya]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]
Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.
I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.
March 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM #680732Guest[quote=Rustico]
[quote=Arraya]
Eh, I would call it detrimental evolutionary baggage which is exacerbated, preyed upon and encouraged culturally due to a socioeconomic structural necessity, to the point of self-harm and manifestation of junky mentality on a mass-scale. But that’s just me;)[/quote]
Actually, I agree with this post of yours Arraya, and that’s why I say problem drinking is a mistake not a disease. Don’t make the mistake of going along with all of that and you will be O.K.[/quote]
Will-power has the capacity to overcome genetics.
I don’t believe that there’s a single gene for alcoholism. It’s a combination of genes. Therefore alcoholism will always be around even if alcoholics stopped having children.
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