OT: Obama is Conservative

[gandalf]

surveyor, please check the YouTube link posted by jfiq…

It’s really remarkable how he stumbles over “the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor” part. It could even have been something as small as a typo on the speech, leaving off the ‘s’ on bomb(s). He’s speaking in front of a large group of people and in front of cameras.

You agree?

Or do you think he’s dumb?

BTW, I don’t think Bush43 is dumb at all. He’s been incredibly shrewd and has won every ‘political’ battle he’s been in. I think his flaws are flaws of character and comprehension. And I also think he’s a chicken-shit and flinched after 9/11. Played right into AQ’s trap. Big-time.

[Aecetia]

Gandalf,
With the exception of the Senator label, I think you would be surprised who has what credentials on this board. Partypup comes to mind as someone who has outstanding credentials. Allan certainly has military experience and a wide range of historical perspective. There are probably many brilliant lurkers who do not post on the board, too. I am glad your candidate thrills you, but you still have to look at critical input when it comes to Obama, rather than your blind allegiance to him. Your devotion is just the flip side of the neocons you criticize. I personally am not thrilled with McCain either, so I am watching from the sidelines until I know more about both candidates and how much damage they will do to my family. One of the most important issues for me is who will be on the Supreme Court.

[Aecetia]

Gandalf,
With the exception of the Senator label, I think you would be surprised who has what credentials on this board. Partypup comes to mind as someone who has outstanding credentials. Allan certainly has military experience and a wide range of historical perspective. There are probably many brilliant lurkers who do not post on the board, too. I am glad your candidate thrills you, but you still have to look at critical input when it comes to Obama, rather than your blind allegiance to him. Your devotion is just the flip side of the neocons you criticize. I personally am not thrilled with McCain either, so I am watching from the sidelines until I know more about both candidates and how much damage they will do to my family. One of the most important issues for me is who will be on the Supreme Court.

[Aecetia]

Gandalf,
With the exception of the Senator label, I think you would be surprised who has what credentials on this board. Partypup comes to mind as someone who has outstanding credentials. Allan certainly has military experience and a wide range of historical perspective. There are probably many brilliant lurkers who do not post on the board, too. I am glad your candidate thrills you, but you still have to look at critical input when it comes to Obama, rather than your blind allegiance to him. Your devotion is just the flip side of the neocons you criticize. I personally am not thrilled with McCain either, so I am watching from the sidelines until I know more about both candidates and how much damage they will do to my family. One of the most important issues for me is who will be on the Supreme Court.

[Aecetia]

Gandalf,
With the exception of the Senator label, I think you would be surprised who has what credentials on this board. Partypup comes to mind as someone who has outstanding credentials. Allan certainly has military experience and a wide range of historical perspective. There are probably many brilliant lurkers who do not post on the board, too. I am glad your candidate thrills you, but you still have to look at critical input when it comes to Obama, rather than your blind allegiance to him. Your devotion is just the flip side of the neocons you criticize. I personally am not thrilled with McCain either, so I am watching from the sidelines until I know more about both candidates and how much damage they will do to my family. One of the most important issues for me is who will be on the Supreme Court.

[Aecetia]

Gandalf,
With the exception of the Senator label, I think you would be surprised who has what credentials on this board. Partypup comes to mind as someone who has outstanding credentials. Allan certainly has military experience and a wide range of historical perspective. There are probably many brilliant lurkers who do not post on the board, too. I am glad your candidate thrills you, but you still have to look at critical input when it comes to Obama, rather than your blind allegiance to him. Your devotion is just the flip side of the neocons you criticize. I personally am not thrilled with McCain either, so I am watching from the sidelines until I know more about both candidates and how much damage they will do to my family. One of the most important issues for me is who will be on the Supreme Court.

[gandalf]

That’s another good link, jfiq.

I don’t see the huge ‘flip-flop’ here. The Supreme Court’s decision was quite a bit more nuanced than the MSM reported. Obama’s position on gun control is basically the same: the individual has a right to own handguns but the government has the right to impose common sense regulations on the purchase and ownership. If his position changed, it went from 45% to 55%.

Besides, I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass about gun control. That wasn’t the topic. This discussion is about foreign policy.

[gandalf]

That’s another good link, jfiq.

I don’t see the huge ‘flip-flop’ here. The Supreme Court’s decision was quite a bit more nuanced than the MSM reported. Obama’s position on gun control is basically the same: the individual has a right to own handguns but the government has the right to impose common sense regulations on the purchase and ownership. If his position changed, it went from 45% to 55%.

Besides, I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass about gun control. That wasn’t the topic. This discussion is about foreign policy.

[gandalf]

That’s another good link, jfiq.

I don’t see the huge ‘flip-flop’ here. The Supreme Court’s decision was quite a bit more nuanced than the MSM reported. Obama’s position on gun control is basically the same: the individual has a right to own handguns but the government has the right to impose common sense regulations on the purchase and ownership. If his position changed, it went from 45% to 55%.

Besides, I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass about gun control. That wasn’t the topic. This discussion is about foreign policy.

[gandalf]

That’s another good link, jfiq.

I don’t see the huge ‘flip-flop’ here. The Supreme Court’s decision was quite a bit more nuanced than the MSM reported. Obama’s position on gun control is basically the same: the individual has a right to own handguns but the government has the right to impose common sense regulations on the purchase and ownership. If his position changed, it went from 45% to 55%.

Besides, I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass about gun control. That wasn’t the topic. This discussion is about foreign policy.

[gandalf]

That’s another good link, jfiq.

I don’t see the huge ‘flip-flop’ here. The Supreme Court’s decision was quite a bit more nuanced than the MSM reported. Obama’s position on gun control is basically the same: the individual has a right to own handguns but the government has the right to impose common sense regulations on the purchase and ownership. If his position changed, it went from 45% to 55%.

Besides, I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass about gun control. That wasn’t the topic. This discussion is about foreign policy.

[gandalf]

Aecetia, point well-taken. No disrespect intended.

Also, if I could clarify: I think the last several posts are more a response to the partisan hacks who post here, smacking down the jackasses.

Oh shit. I don’t want to become one of them! It’s like Star Wars, isn’t it? Tempted by the dark side, drawn into conflict. Oh man, I’ve got to rethink things here… <g>

Anyhow, devotion to a political candidate, not so much. But I do prefer Obama as a candidate at this point. A bit like Eisenhower, centrist and realist. I used to think favorably of McCain but he seems to do an awful lot of kissing up to the Bush43 neocon/evangelist establishment these days.

The larger point I’m interested in seeing discussed is that the LABELS are bogus. An analysis of BO’s foreign policy positions reveals him to be more of a realist and conservative than the idealogical and interventionist republican platform.

And that’s interesting, since all we hear these days is liberal-this, liberal-that. Hmmm…

[gandalf]

Aecetia, point well-taken. No disrespect intended.

Also, if I could clarify: I think the last several posts are more a response to the partisan hacks who post here, smacking down the jackasses.

Oh shit. I don’t want to become one of them! It’s like Star Wars, isn’t it? Tempted by the dark side, drawn into conflict. Oh man, I’ve got to rethink things here… <g>

Anyhow, devotion to a political candidate, not so much. But I do prefer Obama as a candidate at this point. A bit like Eisenhower, centrist and realist. I used to think favorably of McCain but he seems to do an awful lot of kissing up to the Bush43 neocon/evangelist establishment these days.

The larger point I’m interested in seeing discussed is that the LABELS are bogus. An analysis of BO’s foreign policy positions reveals him to be more of a realist and conservative than the idealogical and interventionist republican platform.

And that’s interesting, since all we hear these days is liberal-this, liberal-that. Hmmm…

[gandalf]

Aecetia, point well-taken. No disrespect intended.

Also, if I could clarify: I think the last several posts are more a response to the partisan hacks who post here, smacking down the jackasses.

Oh shit. I don’t want to become one of them! It’s like Star Wars, isn’t it? Tempted by the dark side, drawn into conflict. Oh man, I’ve got to rethink things here… <g>

Anyhow, devotion to a political candidate, not so much. But I do prefer Obama as a candidate at this point. A bit like Eisenhower, centrist and realist. I used to think favorably of McCain but he seems to do an awful lot of kissing up to the Bush43 neocon/evangelist establishment these days.

The larger point I’m interested in seeing discussed is that the LABELS are bogus. An analysis of BO’s foreign policy positions reveals him to be more of a realist and conservative than the idealogical and interventionist republican platform.

And that’s interesting, since all we hear these days is liberal-this, liberal-that. Hmmm…

[gandalf]

Aecetia, point well-taken. No disrespect intended.

Also, if I could clarify: I think the last several posts are more a response to the partisan hacks who post here, smacking down the jackasses.

Oh shit. I don’t want to become one of them! It’s like Star Wars, isn’t it? Tempted by the dark side, drawn into conflict. Oh man, I’ve got to rethink things here… <g>

Anyhow, devotion to a political candidate, not so much. But I do prefer Obama as a candidate at this point. A bit like Eisenhower, centrist and realist. I used to think favorably of McCain but he seems to do an awful lot of kissing up to the Bush43 neocon/evangelist establishment these days.

The larger point I’m interested in seeing discussed is that the LABELS are bogus. An analysis of BO’s foreign policy positions reveals him to be more of a realist and conservative than the idealogical and interventionist republican platform.

And that’s interesting, since all we hear these days is liberal-this, liberal-that. Hmmm…

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