OMG – Someone please control Christine O’donnell

[meadandale]

[quote=afx114][quote=meadandale]Your liberal friends in the CA school system want to teach Islam in school. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote]

Citation needed.[/quote]

How many do you want?

Here’s several. Note that the text book that is frequently cited in many of these articles portrays Islam as a peaceful religion and curiously omits anything remotely negative. Christianity isn’t given such a pass and most of the discussion of Christianity is done in with a negative tone.

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http://www.herblondon.org/1381/when-islam-is-required-in-california-schools
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/history-corrupted
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_6_18/ai_83144710/

Despite some of the ‘rebuttals’ I’ve seen to these articles it is confirmed that they aren’t just teaching Muslim history, they are having students memorize verses from the Koran and pray to Allah as well as dressing like Muslims, adopting Muslim names and planning trips to Mecca. How many of these schools have the same students learn passages from the Bible and have the students pray to God?

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[quote=meadandale]they are having students memorize verses from the Koran and pray to Allah as well as dressing like Muslims, adopting Muslim names and planning trips to Mecca.[/quote]

I guess you’re right. It’s a conspiracy to convert the youth and install Sharia Law.

If what those articles claim is true, then by all means that sort of stuff should not be happening in public schools.

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[quote=meadandale]they are having students memorize verses from the Koran and pray to Allah as well as dressing like Muslims, adopting Muslim names and planning trips to Mecca.[/quote]

I guess you’re right. It’s a conspiracy to convert the youth and install Sharia Law.

If what those articles claim is true, then by all means that sort of stuff should not be happening in public schools.

[afx114]

[quote=meadandale]they are having students memorize verses from the Koran and pray to Allah as well as dressing like Muslims, adopting Muslim names and planning trips to Mecca.[/quote]

I guess you’re right. It’s a conspiracy to convert the youth and install Sharia Law.

If what those articles claim is true, then by all means that sort of stuff should not be happening in public schools.

[afx114]

[quote=meadandale]they are having students memorize verses from the Koran and pray to Allah as well as dressing like Muslims, adopting Muslim names and planning trips to Mecca.[/quote]

I guess you’re right. It’s a conspiracy to convert the youth and install Sharia Law.

If what those articles claim is true, then by all means that sort of stuff should not be happening in public schools.

[afx114]

[quote=meadandale]they are having students memorize verses from the Koran and pray to Allah as well as dressing like Muslims, adopting Muslim names and planning trips to Mecca.[/quote]

I guess you’re right. It’s a conspiracy to convert the youth and install Sharia Law.

If what those articles claim is true, then by all means that sort of stuff should not be happening in public schools.

[SK in CV]

[quote=meadandale][quote=briansd1]
Bottom line, the Tea Party wants Christianity taught in schools. That’s what they are after.[/quote]

Your liberal friends in the CA school system want to teach Islam in school. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote]

I don’t usually comment on this particular comment subject I kinda like the idea of bigots going ape shit when their hypocrisy is layed out for all to see. But the truth is, I hang out with a lot of liberals, both in real life and on liberal blogs and I’ve never seen any support for the teaching of Islam in public schools, other than as part of a comprehensive comparative religion curriculum, or as an integral part of world history or current events. I certainly don’t approve of the methods outlined in the links you provided, and I don’t know of any liberals that do.

Just as, looking back, I don’t approve of saying the lords prayer every day in school, as was done in my classes in elementary school. Or the strong focus of teaching about Christmas when my kids were in elementary school, with the exclusion of instruction about comparable celebrations of other world religions.

If these classes on Islam are as portrayed (which I am certainly not disputing), it is not as part of a far reaching liberal ideology, but rather misguided teachers and administrators using highly inappropriate methods of instruction for a subject that does warrant coverage in a different manner.

For what it’s worth, I am one liberal athiest who supports your opposition. That doesn’t diminish, in any way, the value of the assertion that there are many on the right who want Christianity taught in our public schools. Both are equally inappropriate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=meadandale][quote=briansd1]
Bottom line, the Tea Party wants Christianity taught in schools. That’s what they are after.[/quote]

Your liberal friends in the CA school system want to teach Islam in school. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote]

I don’t usually comment on this particular comment subject I kinda like the idea of bigots going ape shit when their hypocrisy is layed out for all to see. But the truth is, I hang out with a lot of liberals, both in real life and on liberal blogs and I’ve never seen any support for the teaching of Islam in public schools, other than as part of a comprehensive comparative religion curriculum, or as an integral part of world history or current events. I certainly don’t approve of the methods outlined in the links you provided, and I don’t know of any liberals that do.

Just as, looking back, I don’t approve of saying the lords prayer every day in school, as was done in my classes in elementary school. Or the strong focus of teaching about Christmas when my kids were in elementary school, with the exclusion of instruction about comparable celebrations of other world religions.

If these classes on Islam are as portrayed (which I am certainly not disputing), it is not as part of a far reaching liberal ideology, but rather misguided teachers and administrators using highly inappropriate methods of instruction for a subject that does warrant coverage in a different manner.

For what it’s worth, I am one liberal athiest who supports your opposition. That doesn’t diminish, in any way, the value of the assertion that there are many on the right who want Christianity taught in our public schools. Both are equally inappropriate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=meadandale][quote=briansd1]
Bottom line, the Tea Party wants Christianity taught in schools. That’s what they are after.[/quote]

Your liberal friends in the CA school system want to teach Islam in school. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote]

I don’t usually comment on this particular comment subject I kinda like the idea of bigots going ape shit when their hypocrisy is layed out for all to see. But the truth is, I hang out with a lot of liberals, both in real life and on liberal blogs and I’ve never seen any support for the teaching of Islam in public schools, other than as part of a comprehensive comparative religion curriculum, or as an integral part of world history or current events. I certainly don’t approve of the methods outlined in the links you provided, and I don’t know of any liberals that do.

Just as, looking back, I don’t approve of saying the lords prayer every day in school, as was done in my classes in elementary school. Or the strong focus of teaching about Christmas when my kids were in elementary school, with the exclusion of instruction about comparable celebrations of other world religions.

If these classes on Islam are as portrayed (which I am certainly not disputing), it is not as part of a far reaching liberal ideology, but rather misguided teachers and administrators using highly inappropriate methods of instruction for a subject that does warrant coverage in a different manner.

For what it’s worth, I am one liberal athiest who supports your opposition. That doesn’t diminish, in any way, the value of the assertion that there are many on the right who want Christianity taught in our public schools. Both are equally inappropriate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=meadandale][quote=briansd1]
Bottom line, the Tea Party wants Christianity taught in schools. That’s what they are after.[/quote]

Your liberal friends in the CA school system want to teach Islam in school. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote]

I don’t usually comment on this particular comment subject I kinda like the idea of bigots going ape shit when their hypocrisy is layed out for all to see. But the truth is, I hang out with a lot of liberals, both in real life and on liberal blogs and I’ve never seen any support for the teaching of Islam in public schools, other than as part of a comprehensive comparative religion curriculum, or as an integral part of world history or current events. I certainly don’t approve of the methods outlined in the links you provided, and I don’t know of any liberals that do.

Just as, looking back, I don’t approve of saying the lords prayer every day in school, as was done in my classes in elementary school. Or the strong focus of teaching about Christmas when my kids were in elementary school, with the exclusion of instruction about comparable celebrations of other world religions.

If these classes on Islam are as portrayed (which I am certainly not disputing), it is not as part of a far reaching liberal ideology, but rather misguided teachers and administrators using highly inappropriate methods of instruction for a subject that does warrant coverage in a different manner.

For what it’s worth, I am one liberal athiest who supports your opposition. That doesn’t diminish, in any way, the value of the assertion that there are many on the right who want Christianity taught in our public schools. Both are equally inappropriate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=meadandale][quote=briansd1]
Bottom line, the Tea Party wants Christianity taught in schools. That’s what they are after.[/quote]

Your liberal friends in the CA school system want to teach Islam in school. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote]

I don’t usually comment on this particular comment subject I kinda like the idea of bigots going ape shit when their hypocrisy is layed out for all to see. But the truth is, I hang out with a lot of liberals, both in real life and on liberal blogs and I’ve never seen any support for the teaching of Islam in public schools, other than as part of a comprehensive comparative religion curriculum, or as an integral part of world history or current events. I certainly don’t approve of the methods outlined in the links you provided, and I don’t know of any liberals that do.

Just as, looking back, I don’t approve of saying the lords prayer every day in school, as was done in my classes in elementary school. Or the strong focus of teaching about Christmas when my kids were in elementary school, with the exclusion of instruction about comparable celebrations of other world religions.

If these classes on Islam are as portrayed (which I am certainly not disputing), it is not as part of a far reaching liberal ideology, but rather misguided teachers and administrators using highly inappropriate methods of instruction for a subject that does warrant coverage in a different manner.

For what it’s worth, I am one liberal athiest who supports your opposition. That doesn’t diminish, in any way, the value of the assertion that there are many on the right who want Christianity taught in our public schools. Both are equally inappropriate.

[Shadowfax]

SK: I agree. I have not taken the time to read the articles provided but it doesn’t sound like I would agree with what they are promoting–and I consider myself pretty liberal.

I think it would be really enlightening (haha) if all the (major) religions are touched upon in the proper setting–a religious survey course or in the context of a world history course–but none should be overly promoted to the exclusion of others. If certain passages from the koran, the bible, from confuscius or zen or taoist teachings are presented (to name a few), I think that is fine. It gives context to the general survey of a particular religion.

In fact, I think it would be a fantastic project (maybe at the high school level) to present these passages and have the students “compare and contrast” what each is trying to teach–with the outcome being that if you can interpret them with an open mind, you will see that these religions tend to promote the same underlying beliefs which form the basis for our moral system. A project that would promote harmony and counter all the divisiveness that the “devout” from any religion seem to want to promote.

So yes, I am a liberal promoting this idea–in the sense that I don’t want other people telling me (or my kids) that their religion is the “one true religion” or the “one true god.” How can these people be so arrogant as to think that a concept conceived by humans, which starts from the premise that there is something out there bigger than all of us, can be absolutely true, given our human perceptual failings?

[Shadowfax]

SK: I agree. I have not taken the time to read the articles provided but it doesn’t sound like I would agree with what they are promoting–and I consider myself pretty liberal.

I think it would be really enlightening (haha) if all the (major) religions are touched upon in the proper setting–a religious survey course or in the context of a world history course–but none should be overly promoted to the exclusion of others. If certain passages from the koran, the bible, from confuscius or zen or taoist teachings are presented (to name a few), I think that is fine. It gives context to the general survey of a particular religion.

In fact, I think it would be a fantastic project (maybe at the high school level) to present these passages and have the students “compare and contrast” what each is trying to teach–with the outcome being that if you can interpret them with an open mind, you will see that these religions tend to promote the same underlying beliefs which form the basis for our moral system. A project that would promote harmony and counter all the divisiveness that the “devout” from any religion seem to want to promote.

So yes, I am a liberal promoting this idea–in the sense that I don’t want other people telling me (or my kids) that their religion is the “one true religion” or the “one true god.” How can these people be so arrogant as to think that a concept conceived by humans, which starts from the premise that there is something out there bigger than all of us, can be absolutely true, given our human perceptual failings?

[Shadowfax]

SK: I agree. I have not taken the time to read the articles provided but it doesn’t sound like I would agree with what they are promoting–and I consider myself pretty liberal.

I think it would be really enlightening (haha) if all the (major) religions are touched upon in the proper setting–a religious survey course or in the context of a world history course–but none should be overly promoted to the exclusion of others. If certain passages from the koran, the bible, from confuscius or zen or taoist teachings are presented (to name a few), I think that is fine. It gives context to the general survey of a particular religion.

In fact, I think it would be a fantastic project (maybe at the high school level) to present these passages and have the students “compare and contrast” what each is trying to teach–with the outcome being that if you can interpret them with an open mind, you will see that these religions tend to promote the same underlying beliefs which form the basis for our moral system. A project that would promote harmony and counter all the divisiveness that the “devout” from any religion seem to want to promote.

So yes, I am a liberal promoting this idea–in the sense that I don’t want other people telling me (or my kids) that their religion is the “one true religion” or the “one true god.” How can these people be so arrogant as to think that a concept conceived by humans, which starts from the premise that there is something out there bigger than all of us, can be absolutely true, given our human perceptual failings?

[Shadowfax]

SK: I agree. I have not taken the time to read the articles provided but it doesn’t sound like I would agree with what they are promoting–and I consider myself pretty liberal.

I think it would be really enlightening (haha) if all the (major) religions are touched upon in the proper setting–a religious survey course or in the context of a world history course–but none should be overly promoted to the exclusion of others. If certain passages from the koran, the bible, from confuscius or zen or taoist teachings are presented (to name a few), I think that is fine. It gives context to the general survey of a particular religion.

In fact, I think it would be a fantastic project (maybe at the high school level) to present these passages and have the students “compare and contrast” what each is trying to teach–with the outcome being that if you can interpret them with an open mind, you will see that these religions tend to promote the same underlying beliefs which form the basis for our moral system. A project that would promote harmony and counter all the divisiveness that the “devout” from any religion seem to want to promote.

So yes, I am a liberal promoting this idea–in the sense that I don’t want other people telling me (or my kids) that their religion is the “one true religion” or the “one true god.” How can these people be so arrogant as to think that a concept conceived by humans, which starts from the premise that there is something out there bigger than all of us, can be absolutely true, given our human perceptual failings?

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