ObamaCare…coming soon

[SK in CV]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

SK: So Big Insurance “invented the plan” to disrupt the town hall meetings? And? How does this affect the vote on Obamacare? Last time I checked, citizens don’t vote on legislation, legislators do.

The Dems control the White House and Congress and don’t need a single GOP vote to pass this legislation.

As to Billy Tauzin’s back room meeting with Obama, it isn’t “past tense” yet. Certain Dems have said they won’t honor the agreement, but that hasn’t happened yet.

And, I’ve heard that Big Insurance has been contributing to advertisements SUPPORTING Obamacare, not opposing it. I could be wrong, and I would need to do some checking in order to assert that properly, but that is my understanding.

Again, so what if there were third parties out there “disrupting” town hall meetings? That has nothing to do with the passage of this legislation, any more than Limbaugh or Hannity yapping about it do.

The Dems completely control the destiny of this legislation, correct? Or do I have that wrong as well?[/quote]

(I think I got this quote thing fixed)

I don’t disagree with anything you say here. The dems are, or at least should be in control. It’s not the deathers at the town hall meetings that will be doing the voting.

My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

Tauzin still has a deal. It just isn’t binding on anyone in Congress. And Obama is unlikely to push it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

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SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

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SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV]
My only real issue was your assertion that the insurance companies are supportive of reform. They’re not, unless it is a watered down, do nothing reform that doesn’t include a public option. The kind of reform will do more damage than good for all concerned including democrats and republicans politically, taxpayers, the uninsured, the under-insured and health care providers. (For profit hospitals will probably make out just fine.) Everyone except for insurance companies and big pharma.

[/quote]

SK: Like I said, I may well be wrong on Big Insurance (and having worked for Big Insurance in a prior life, I can well imagine that they aren’t for this).

However, I’m more intrigued by the Dem’s attitude about this whole situation, especially the town hall meetings. Listening to Pelosi, you’d think these meetings were more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s, with brownshirts and Communists clashing in the streets.

I don’t think Obama has done an effective job of selling health care reform to the American people (hence the contentious town hall meetings), and I think Congress has butched the legislation.

[afx114]

While the Dems certainly don’t need any of the opposition to get it done, would it not be in the best interests of the country to get some valid input and opinions from both sides in order to move towards something that both sides can be happy with?

Unfortunately the only thing being contributed to the discourse by the opposition is yelling, screaming, Hitler, and Grandma killing. It is certainly their right to do so, but what they are contributing besides that I haven’t quite figured out yet. Care to enlighten me?

It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something. They become an embarrassment to their own team.

[afx114]

While the Dems certainly don’t need any of the opposition to get it done, would it not be in the best interests of the country to get some valid input and opinions from both sides in order to move towards something that both sides can be happy with?

Unfortunately the only thing being contributed to the discourse by the opposition is yelling, screaming, Hitler, and Grandma killing. It is certainly their right to do so, but what they are contributing besides that I haven’t quite figured out yet. Care to enlighten me?

It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something. They become an embarrassment to their own team.

[afx114]

While the Dems certainly don’t need any of the opposition to get it done, would it not be in the best interests of the country to get some valid input and opinions from both sides in order to move towards something that both sides can be happy with?

Unfortunately the only thing being contributed to the discourse by the opposition is yelling, screaming, Hitler, and Grandma killing. It is certainly their right to do so, but what they are contributing besides that I haven’t quite figured out yet. Care to enlighten me?

It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something. They become an embarrassment to their own team.

[afx114]

While the Dems certainly don’t need any of the opposition to get it done, would it not be in the best interests of the country to get some valid input and opinions from both sides in order to move towards something that both sides can be happy with?

Unfortunately the only thing being contributed to the discourse by the opposition is yelling, screaming, Hitler, and Grandma killing. It is certainly their right to do so, but what they are contributing besides that I haven’t quite figured out yet. Care to enlighten me?

It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something. They become an embarrassment to their own team.

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