ObamaCare…coming soon

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[quote=Zeitgeist]There is a difference between those who do not want insurance and those who cannot afford it. They are all counted as uninsured. It should be a choice. Under the proposed plan you pay a fine if you do not have insurance, except if you are an illegal. Affordability does not equal increased taxes and deficits for the few of us who pay taxes. Reform is in the eye of the beholder.[/quote]

I’m sorry but i see a few gaps in your logic.

So you are opposed to requiring car insurance for every driver? I’d love not paying $$$ to the insurance companies if I had the choice. But everyone else would feel same way which means the few that pay for car insurance would pay a lot more to cover **hidden** cost of uninsured drivers.

I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t WANT health insurance for himself/herself. If they can afford it, they get it. People ‘choose’ not to get health insurance because it costs way too much. See, they are ‘forced’ not to choose health insurance…

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[quote=SD Realtor]My wife has a client that is a well known cardiologist and that guy said this will substantially change the treatment for many people he treats. He basically said god help those people whose treatment decisions will now be made by the government.[/quote]

And God help those who can’t even get to see him (let alone any MD) other than in ER.

If most of the Western European nations/Canada/Japan/South Korea have working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Talk about having no sense of shame…

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[quote=SD Realtor]My wife has a client that is a well known cardiologist and that guy said this will substantially change the treatment for many people he treats. He basically said god help those people whose treatment decisions will now be made by the government.[/quote]

And God help those who can’t even get to see him (let alone any MD) other than in ER.

If most of the Western European nations/Canada/Japan/South Korea have working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Talk about having no sense of shame…

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[quote=SD Realtor]My wife has a client that is a well known cardiologist and that guy said this will substantially change the treatment for many people he treats. He basically said god help those people whose treatment decisions will now be made by the government.[/quote]

And God help those who can’t even get to see him (let alone any MD) other than in ER.

If most of the Western European nations/Canada/Japan/South Korea have working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Talk about having no sense of shame…

[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]My wife has a client that is a well known cardiologist and that guy said this will substantially change the treatment for many people he treats. He basically said god help those people whose treatment decisions will now be made by the government.[/quote]

And God help those who can’t even get to see him (let alone any MD) other than in ER.

If most of the Western European nations/Canada/Japan/South Korea have working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Talk about having no sense of shame…

[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]My wife has a client that is a well known cardiologist and that guy said this will substantially change the treatment for many people he treats. He basically said god help those people whose treatment decisions will now be made by the government.[/quote]

And God help those who can’t even get to see him (let alone any MD) other than in ER.

If most of the Western European nations/Canada/Japan/South Korea have working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Talk about having no sense of shame…

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[quote=dbapig]I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t WANT health insurance for himself/herself. If they can afford it, they get it. People ‘choose’ not to get health insurance because it costs way too much. See, they are ‘forced’ not to choose health insurance…[/quote]

Poppycock!

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

I asked him how much his cable bill was..

“$185 a month”

I asked him how much his cell phone bill was…

“$100 a month”

So, you’ll pay $100 a month for a cell phone and almost $200 a month for cable but a little over a $100 a month for health insurance is too much of a burden?

Many people don’t have health insurance because they ELECT to because there are just too many other things that are higher priorities for their spending dollars. This is especially true amongst many 20-30 year olds who think nothing about having a $100/month iphone while making near minimum wage as a barista but can’t understand why they should have to pay for health insurance.

What’s next? Everyone needs a roof over their head. Shall we provide government housing for everyone as well? It’s the enlightened thing to do, right?

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[quote=dbapig]I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t WANT health insurance for himself/herself. If they can afford it, they get it. People ‘choose’ not to get health insurance because it costs way too much. See, they are ‘forced’ not to choose health insurance…[/quote]

Poppycock!

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

I asked him how much his cable bill was..

“$185 a month”

I asked him how much his cell phone bill was…

“$100 a month”

So, you’ll pay $100 a month for a cell phone and almost $200 a month for cable but a little over a $100 a month for health insurance is too much of a burden?

Many people don’t have health insurance because they ELECT to because there are just too many other things that are higher priorities for their spending dollars. This is especially true amongst many 20-30 year olds who think nothing about having a $100/month iphone while making near minimum wage as a barista but can’t understand why they should have to pay for health insurance.

What’s next? Everyone needs a roof over their head. Shall we provide government housing for everyone as well? It’s the enlightened thing to do, right?

[meadandale]

[quote=dbapig]I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t WANT health insurance for himself/herself. If they can afford it, they get it. People ‘choose’ not to get health insurance because it costs way too much. See, they are ‘forced’ not to choose health insurance…[/quote]

Poppycock!

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

I asked him how much his cable bill was..

“$185 a month”

I asked him how much his cell phone bill was…

“$100 a month”

So, you’ll pay $100 a month for a cell phone and almost $200 a month for cable but a little over a $100 a month for health insurance is too much of a burden?

Many people don’t have health insurance because they ELECT to because there are just too many other things that are higher priorities for their spending dollars. This is especially true amongst many 20-30 year olds who think nothing about having a $100/month iphone while making near minimum wage as a barista but can’t understand why they should have to pay for health insurance.

What’s next? Everyone needs a roof over their head. Shall we provide government housing for everyone as well? It’s the enlightened thing to do, right?

[meadandale]

[quote=dbapig]I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t WANT health insurance for himself/herself. If they can afford it, they get it. People ‘choose’ not to get health insurance because it costs way too much. See, they are ‘forced’ not to choose health insurance…[/quote]

Poppycock!

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

I asked him how much his cable bill was..

“$185 a month”

I asked him how much his cell phone bill was…

“$100 a month”

So, you’ll pay $100 a month for a cell phone and almost $200 a month for cable but a little over a $100 a month for health insurance is too much of a burden?

Many people don’t have health insurance because they ELECT to because there are just too many other things that are higher priorities for their spending dollars. This is especially true amongst many 20-30 year olds who think nothing about having a $100/month iphone while making near minimum wage as a barista but can’t understand why they should have to pay for health insurance.

What’s next? Everyone needs a roof over their head. Shall we provide government housing for everyone as well? It’s the enlightened thing to do, right?

[meadandale]

[quote=dbapig]I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t WANT health insurance for himself/herself. If they can afford it, they get it. People ‘choose’ not to get health insurance because it costs way too much. See, they are ‘forced’ not to choose health insurance…[/quote]

Poppycock!

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

I asked him how much his cable bill was..

“$185 a month”

I asked him how much his cell phone bill was…

“$100 a month”

So, you’ll pay $100 a month for a cell phone and almost $200 a month for cable but a little over a $100 a month for health insurance is too much of a burden?

Many people don’t have health insurance because they ELECT to because there are just too many other things that are higher priorities for their spending dollars. This is especially true amongst many 20-30 year olds who think nothing about having a $100/month iphone while making near minimum wage as a barista but can’t understand why they should have to pay for health insurance.

What’s next? Everyone needs a roof over their head. Shall we provide government housing for everyone as well? It’s the enlightened thing to do, right?

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I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

Sorry but your friend is an idiot. The problem isn’t that we have to pay for healthcare, it’s that you can pay and pay and pay for years and then they can just kick you off the moment you get sick. Or deny you coverage from day one because you have a pre-existing condition. Or charge you outrageous premiums because you have been sick in the past.

As for those who think it should be a government benefit, it’s understandable considering how much we pay in tax. I’ll never forget my shock when a Swiss couple working in the US told me – “I can’t believe how much tax you pay here, and you don’t get anything for it!” Their taxes are lower than ours and they get subsidized (not free) GUARANTEED health care that can’t be denied from private insurance companies, university tuition paid, social security, etc… But of course they are Europeans and therefore they must be socialists and we can never have that sort of thing here.

The health care issue can be solved with a highly regulated private insurance system as in Switzerland. But that will never happen here because it would mean that the government could tell insurance companies what they can and can’t do. Here it is the other way — companies tell the government what it can and can’t do.

Things will never get better here, it is hopeless.

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I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

Sorry but your friend is an idiot. The problem isn’t that we have to pay for healthcare, it’s that you can pay and pay and pay for years and then they can just kick you off the moment you get sick. Or deny you coverage from day one because you have a pre-existing condition. Or charge you outrageous premiums because you have been sick in the past.

As for those who think it should be a government benefit, it’s understandable considering how much we pay in tax. I’ll never forget my shock when a Swiss couple working in the US told me – “I can’t believe how much tax you pay here, and you don’t get anything for it!” Their taxes are lower than ours and they get subsidized (not free) GUARANTEED health care that can’t be denied from private insurance companies, university tuition paid, social security, etc… But of course they are Europeans and therefore they must be socialists and we can never have that sort of thing here.

The health care issue can be solved with a highly regulated private insurance system as in Switzerland. But that will never happen here because it would mean that the government could tell insurance companies what they can and can’t do. Here it is the other way — companies tell the government what it can and can’t do.

Things will never get better here, it is hopeless.

[blahblahblah]

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

Sorry but your friend is an idiot. The problem isn’t that we have to pay for healthcare, it’s that you can pay and pay and pay for years and then they can just kick you off the moment you get sick. Or deny you coverage from day one because you have a pre-existing condition. Or charge you outrageous premiums because you have been sick in the past.

As for those who think it should be a government benefit, it’s understandable considering how much we pay in tax. I’ll never forget my shock when a Swiss couple working in the US told me – “I can’t believe how much tax you pay here, and you don’t get anything for it!” Their taxes are lower than ours and they get subsidized (not free) GUARANTEED health care that can’t be denied from private insurance companies, university tuition paid, social security, etc… But of course they are Europeans and therefore they must be socialists and we can never have that sort of thing here.

The health care issue can be solved with a highly regulated private insurance system as in Switzerland. But that will never happen here because it would mean that the government could tell insurance companies what they can and can’t do. Here it is the other way — companies tell the government what it can and can’t do.

Things will never get better here, it is hopeless.

[blahblahblah]

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.

Sorry but your friend is an idiot. The problem isn’t that we have to pay for healthcare, it’s that you can pay and pay and pay for years and then they can just kick you off the moment you get sick. Or deny you coverage from day one because you have a pre-existing condition. Or charge you outrageous premiums because you have been sick in the past.

As for those who think it should be a government benefit, it’s understandable considering how much we pay in tax. I’ll never forget my shock when a Swiss couple working in the US told me – “I can’t believe how much tax you pay here, and you don’t get anything for it!” Their taxes are lower than ours and they get subsidized (not free) GUARANTEED health care that can’t be denied from private insurance companies, university tuition paid, social security, etc… But of course they are Europeans and therefore they must be socialists and we can never have that sort of thing here.

The health care issue can be solved with a highly regulated private insurance system as in Switzerland. But that will never happen here because it would mean that the government could tell insurance companies what they can and can’t do. Here it is the other way — companies tell the government what it can and can’t do.

Things will never get better here, it is hopeless.

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