ObamaCare…coming soon

[meadandale]

[quote=afx114]I also have a hunch that the people opposing the tyranny of soda tax fully support the tyrrany against other things — drinking a cold one on the beach, public display of boobs, enjoying a spliff, taking your own life. Just a hunch.[/quote]

Absolutely! How many of you voted FOR the beach booze ban? Applauded the ban on smoking in city parks and beaches? Cheered when taxes on alcohol and tobacco were increased…again and again?

You might all want to familiarize yourselves with the poem “First They Came”. It is VERY relevant. You’ve shown the politicians again and again that they can take away the rights of others and you won’t make a peep. It’s only a matter of time until they take something away that YOU care about but by then it will be too late to do anything about it.

[Zeitgeist]

I was against the booze ban because I thought there were enough existing laws on the books to clean the beach up, but the cops and the city wanted the easy way out. It is nice to have the beach back for families, but I would have preferred that public drunks were arrested. That alone would have curtailed the drunken, boorish behavior.

[Zeitgeist]

I was against the booze ban because I thought there were enough existing laws on the books to clean the beach up, but the cops and the city wanted the easy way out. It is nice to have the beach back for families, but I would have preferred that public drunks were arrested. That alone would have curtailed the drunken, boorish behavior.

[Zeitgeist]

I was against the booze ban because I thought there were enough existing laws on the books to clean the beach up, but the cops and the city wanted the easy way out. It is nice to have the beach back for families, but I would have preferred that public drunks were arrested. That alone would have curtailed the drunken, boorish behavior.

[Zeitgeist]

I was against the booze ban because I thought there were enough existing laws on the books to clean the beach up, but the cops and the city wanted the easy way out. It is nice to have the beach back for families, but I would have preferred that public drunks were arrested. That alone would have curtailed the drunken, boorish behavior.

[Zeitgeist]

I was against the booze ban because I thought there were enough existing laws on the books to clean the beach up, but the cops and the city wanted the easy way out. It is nice to have the beach back for families, but I would have preferred that public drunks were arrested. That alone would have curtailed the drunken, boorish behavior.

[CA renter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
CA: I don’t disagree with your last statement, but I want to point out that, medically speaking, it DOES benefit one to eat properly and exercise.

My remarks about diet and exercise weren’t meant to single out overweight people. However, as a youth coach, I will tell you that kids nowadays ARE, generally speaking, more likely to be overweight and, more importantly, out of shape. They tend to be more sedentary than we were as kids (I’m 44, so we’re talking about growing up during the 1970s) and tend to eat more and more poorly, both in terms of volume and dietary choices.

Obesity in this country is endemic, and especially among the youth. Saying that is not a condemnation of overweight people, but it does underscore that, as a nation, we’re doing a pretty crappy job of looking after our health and our children’s health.

Add the reduction or elimination of PE and physical fitness programs at the elementary and middle school levels and you now have the whipsaw effect of overworked parents feeding their kids McDonalds due to time constraints and the kids not getting a decent amount of physical exercise as part of a daily routine.

The effects are pernicious, and a simple glance at the skyrocketing rates of juvenile diabetes supports this statement. When you look at the data and start targeting groups like kids from single parent families, or minorities, or lower end socio-economic backrounds/geographies, it becomes even more glaring.[/quote]

We are in total agreement about this, Allan. If you read my post, I never said obesity/overweight was healthy…quite the contrary, it is absolutely unhealthy. It’s just that I think too many people focus on it as if it’s the primary cause of illness and/or accidents, and that’s simply not true. There are many other risk factors, and I’ll bet if we examined the lives of everyone who railed against “obesity,” we’d find risk factors (genetics, lifestyle, hobbies, occupations, etc.) that are just as detrimental to their health. Like meadandale said above, we need to protect everyone’s rights, or next thing we know, there will be no one there to protect the rights that we hold dear.

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
CA: I don’t disagree with your last statement, but I want to point out that, medically speaking, it DOES benefit one to eat properly and exercise.

My remarks about diet and exercise weren’t meant to single out overweight people. However, as a youth coach, I will tell you that kids nowadays ARE, generally speaking, more likely to be overweight and, more importantly, out of shape. They tend to be more sedentary than we were as kids (I’m 44, so we’re talking about growing up during the 1970s) and tend to eat more and more poorly, both in terms of volume and dietary choices.

Obesity in this country is endemic, and especially among the youth. Saying that is not a condemnation of overweight people, but it does underscore that, as a nation, we’re doing a pretty crappy job of looking after our health and our children’s health.

Add the reduction or elimination of PE and physical fitness programs at the elementary and middle school levels and you now have the whipsaw effect of overworked parents feeding their kids McDonalds due to time constraints and the kids not getting a decent amount of physical exercise as part of a daily routine.

The effects are pernicious, and a simple glance at the skyrocketing rates of juvenile diabetes supports this statement. When you look at the data and start targeting groups like kids from single parent families, or minorities, or lower end socio-economic backrounds/geographies, it becomes even more glaring.[/quote]

We are in total agreement about this, Allan. If you read my post, I never said obesity/overweight was healthy…quite the contrary, it is absolutely unhealthy. It’s just that I think too many people focus on it as if it’s the primary cause of illness and/or accidents, and that’s simply not true. There are many other risk factors, and I’ll bet if we examined the lives of everyone who railed against “obesity,” we’d find risk factors (genetics, lifestyle, hobbies, occupations, etc.) that are just as detrimental to their health. Like meadandale said above, we need to protect everyone’s rights, or next thing we know, there will be no one there to protect the rights that we hold dear.

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
CA: I don’t disagree with your last statement, but I want to point out that, medically speaking, it DOES benefit one to eat properly and exercise.

My remarks about diet and exercise weren’t meant to single out overweight people. However, as a youth coach, I will tell you that kids nowadays ARE, generally speaking, more likely to be overweight and, more importantly, out of shape. They tend to be more sedentary than we were as kids (I’m 44, so we’re talking about growing up during the 1970s) and tend to eat more and more poorly, both in terms of volume and dietary choices.

Obesity in this country is endemic, and especially among the youth. Saying that is not a condemnation of overweight people, but it does underscore that, as a nation, we’re doing a pretty crappy job of looking after our health and our children’s health.

Add the reduction or elimination of PE and physical fitness programs at the elementary and middle school levels and you now have the whipsaw effect of overworked parents feeding their kids McDonalds due to time constraints and the kids not getting a decent amount of physical exercise as part of a daily routine.

The effects are pernicious, and a simple glance at the skyrocketing rates of juvenile diabetes supports this statement. When you look at the data and start targeting groups like kids from single parent families, or minorities, or lower end socio-economic backrounds/geographies, it becomes even more glaring.[/quote]

We are in total agreement about this, Allan. If you read my post, I never said obesity/overweight was healthy…quite the contrary, it is absolutely unhealthy. It’s just that I think too many people focus on it as if it’s the primary cause of illness and/or accidents, and that’s simply not true. There are many other risk factors, and I’ll bet if we examined the lives of everyone who railed against “obesity,” we’d find risk factors (genetics, lifestyle, hobbies, occupations, etc.) that are just as detrimental to their health. Like meadandale said above, we need to protect everyone’s rights, or next thing we know, there will be no one there to protect the rights that we hold dear.

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
CA: I don’t disagree with your last statement, but I want to point out that, medically speaking, it DOES benefit one to eat properly and exercise.

My remarks about diet and exercise weren’t meant to single out overweight people. However, as a youth coach, I will tell you that kids nowadays ARE, generally speaking, more likely to be overweight and, more importantly, out of shape. They tend to be more sedentary than we were as kids (I’m 44, so we’re talking about growing up during the 1970s) and tend to eat more and more poorly, both in terms of volume and dietary choices.

Obesity in this country is endemic, and especially among the youth. Saying that is not a condemnation of overweight people, but it does underscore that, as a nation, we’re doing a pretty crappy job of looking after our health and our children’s health.

Add the reduction or elimination of PE and physical fitness programs at the elementary and middle school levels and you now have the whipsaw effect of overworked parents feeding their kids McDonalds due to time constraints and the kids not getting a decent amount of physical exercise as part of a daily routine.

The effects are pernicious, and a simple glance at the skyrocketing rates of juvenile diabetes supports this statement. When you look at the data and start targeting groups like kids from single parent families, or minorities, or lower end socio-economic backrounds/geographies, it becomes even more glaring.[/quote]

We are in total agreement about this, Allan. If you read my post, I never said obesity/overweight was healthy…quite the contrary, it is absolutely unhealthy. It’s just that I think too many people focus on it as if it’s the primary cause of illness and/or accidents, and that’s simply not true. There are many other risk factors, and I’ll bet if we examined the lives of everyone who railed against “obesity,” we’d find risk factors (genetics, lifestyle, hobbies, occupations, etc.) that are just as detrimental to their health. Like meadandale said above, we need to protect everyone’s rights, or next thing we know, there will be no one there to protect the rights that we hold dear.

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
CA: I don’t disagree with your last statement, but I want to point out that, medically speaking, it DOES benefit one to eat properly and exercise.

My remarks about diet and exercise weren’t meant to single out overweight people. However, as a youth coach, I will tell you that kids nowadays ARE, generally speaking, more likely to be overweight and, more importantly, out of shape. They tend to be more sedentary than we were as kids (I’m 44, so we’re talking about growing up during the 1970s) and tend to eat more and more poorly, both in terms of volume and dietary choices.

Obesity in this country is endemic, and especially among the youth. Saying that is not a condemnation of overweight people, but it does underscore that, as a nation, we’re doing a pretty crappy job of looking after our health and our children’s health.

Add the reduction or elimination of PE and physical fitness programs at the elementary and middle school levels and you now have the whipsaw effect of overworked parents feeding their kids McDonalds due to time constraints and the kids not getting a decent amount of physical exercise as part of a daily routine.

The effects are pernicious, and a simple glance at the skyrocketing rates of juvenile diabetes supports this statement. When you look at the data and start targeting groups like kids from single parent families, or minorities, or lower end socio-economic backrounds/geographies, it becomes even more glaring.[/quote]

We are in total agreement about this, Allan. If you read my post, I never said obesity/overweight was healthy…quite the contrary, it is absolutely unhealthy. It’s just that I think too many people focus on it as if it’s the primary cause of illness and/or accidents, and that’s simply not true. There are many other risk factors, and I’ll bet if we examined the lives of everyone who railed against “obesity,” we’d find risk factors (genetics, lifestyle, hobbies, occupations, etc.) that are just as detrimental to their health. Like meadandale said above, we need to protect everyone’s rights, or next thing we know, there will be no one there to protect the rights that we hold dear.

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! 🙂

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! :)[/quote]

CA: I was limited to one hour of TV per WEEK! No lie. My dad allowed me to watch all the news and sports I wanted, but I was only allowed one hour of what he called “shows” and I had to let him know in advance what I planned on watching (“Battlestar Galactica” was usually my choice).

When I inevitably bitched about this totalitarian restriction of my viewing rights, he’d tell me one of two things: “Go outside and shoot hoops/throw the football around/play catch with one of your friends” or “go read”. Cursing under my breath, I usually did do one of those two things.

As a result, I became a voracious reader and I also spent a lot of time with my friends out-of-doors and doing the various things you mentioned, which all involved physical exercise and using our imaginations.

I remember my summers and my mom booting me out of the house right after breakfast with the admonition to come home before it got dark. I’d hop on my bike and then spend the next 8 – 9 hours with my buddies trying to find new and inventive ways to sprain various joints, draw blood or fall from things we shouldn’t have been climbing in the first place.

Amazingly, we survived. Not so amazingly, we also had a blast. When I look back on my summers, and my years in Little League and Pop Warner, it never fails to bring a smile to my face. I was tanned brown as a berry and wouldn’t be in that sort of physical condition until my days in high school playing football or my days in the Army following.

We didn’t worry about being kidnapped, our days weren’t controlled by frenetic soccer moms who had every minute of our lives scheduled and our activities were those of our own invention. I didn’t discover the mall until about the same time I discovered girls and realized that’s where they hung out.

You’re right about one thing: Those were some damn good times!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! :)[/quote]

CA: I was limited to one hour of TV per WEEK! No lie. My dad allowed me to watch all the news and sports I wanted, but I was only allowed one hour of what he called “shows” and I had to let him know in advance what I planned on watching (“Battlestar Galactica” was usually my choice).

When I inevitably bitched about this totalitarian restriction of my viewing rights, he’d tell me one of two things: “Go outside and shoot hoops/throw the football around/play catch with one of your friends” or “go read”. Cursing under my breath, I usually did do one of those two things.

As a result, I became a voracious reader and I also spent a lot of time with my friends out-of-doors and doing the various things you mentioned, which all involved physical exercise and using our imaginations.

I remember my summers and my mom booting me out of the house right after breakfast with the admonition to come home before it got dark. I’d hop on my bike and then spend the next 8 – 9 hours with my buddies trying to find new and inventive ways to sprain various joints, draw blood or fall from things we shouldn’t have been climbing in the first place.

Amazingly, we survived. Not so amazingly, we also had a blast. When I look back on my summers, and my years in Little League and Pop Warner, it never fails to bring a smile to my face. I was tanned brown as a berry and wouldn’t be in that sort of physical condition until my days in high school playing football or my days in the Army following.

We didn’t worry about being kidnapped, our days weren’t controlled by frenetic soccer moms who had every minute of our lives scheduled and our activities were those of our own invention. I didn’t discover the mall until about the same time I discovered girls and realized that’s where they hung out.

You’re right about one thing: Those were some damn good times!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! :)[/quote]

CA: I was limited to one hour of TV per WEEK! No lie. My dad allowed me to watch all the news and sports I wanted, but I was only allowed one hour of what he called “shows” and I had to let him know in advance what I planned on watching (“Battlestar Galactica” was usually my choice).

When I inevitably bitched about this totalitarian restriction of my viewing rights, he’d tell me one of two things: “Go outside and shoot hoops/throw the football around/play catch with one of your friends” or “go read”. Cursing under my breath, I usually did do one of those two things.

As a result, I became a voracious reader and I also spent a lot of time with my friends out-of-doors and doing the various things you mentioned, which all involved physical exercise and using our imaginations.

I remember my summers and my mom booting me out of the house right after breakfast with the admonition to come home before it got dark. I’d hop on my bike and then spend the next 8 – 9 hours with my buddies trying to find new and inventive ways to sprain various joints, draw blood or fall from things we shouldn’t have been climbing in the first place.

Amazingly, we survived. Not so amazingly, we also had a blast. When I look back on my summers, and my years in Little League and Pop Warner, it never fails to bring a smile to my face. I was tanned brown as a berry and wouldn’t be in that sort of physical condition until my days in high school playing football or my days in the Army following.

We didn’t worry about being kidnapped, our days weren’t controlled by frenetic soccer moms who had every minute of our lives scheduled and our activities were those of our own invention. I didn’t discover the mall until about the same time I discovered girls and realized that’s where they hung out.

You’re right about one thing: Those were some damn good times!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]

As someone who also grew up in the 70s, it saddens me to see how our kids are forced to grow up these days. Back in the day, we left the house after breakfast and didn’t return home until the street lights came on. All day long, we’d be riding our bikes, climing trees, building forts (no land left for that anymore!), etc. with all the other kids in the neighborhood, with nary a parent to be found anywhere. If we watched TV, we had to get up to turn the dial on the TV! Remember that? 😉 I think our generation was one of the last “lucky” generations where we still had some freedoms (no bike helmets, we could ride in the back of a pickup truck and watch the stars above us, no electronic leashes, etc.). Great times! :)[/quote]

CA: I was limited to one hour of TV per WEEK! No lie. My dad allowed me to watch all the news and sports I wanted, but I was only allowed one hour of what he called “shows” and I had to let him know in advance what I planned on watching (“Battlestar Galactica” was usually my choice).

When I inevitably bitched about this totalitarian restriction of my viewing rights, he’d tell me one of two things: “Go outside and shoot hoops/throw the football around/play catch with one of your friends” or “go read”. Cursing under my breath, I usually did do one of those two things.

As a result, I became a voracious reader and I also spent a lot of time with my friends out-of-doors and doing the various things you mentioned, which all involved physical exercise and using our imaginations.

I remember my summers and my mom booting me out of the house right after breakfast with the admonition to come home before it got dark. I’d hop on my bike and then spend the next 8 – 9 hours with my buddies trying to find new and inventive ways to sprain various joints, draw blood or fall from things we shouldn’t have been climbing in the first place.

Amazingly, we survived. Not so amazingly, we also had a blast. When I look back on my summers, and my years in Little League and Pop Warner, it never fails to bring a smile to my face. I was tanned brown as a berry and wouldn’t be in that sort of physical condition until my days in high school playing football or my days in the Army following.

We didn’t worry about being kidnapped, our days weren’t controlled by frenetic soccer moms who had every minute of our lives scheduled and our activities were those of our own invention. I didn’t discover the mall until about the same time I discovered girls and realized that’s where they hung out.

You’re right about one thing: Those were some damn good times!

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