ObamaCare…coming soon

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“Well of course they do! They certainly don’t have to deal with the size of our population, illegal immigration. Why would anyone say free money is bad? When they can basically write a blank check, who’s going to say it’s a bad system? It’s only when the system starts going through stresses (which is becoming apparent now), that people start questioning things”.

I’ve said this before in another post. I understand the difficulty in the situation because all the other countries in Europe and Canada do not have a third world country right below it with thousands of people daily willing to die to leave it.

I do know that the VA has negotiated prescription prices and that they are cheaper under that than under Medicare.

http://www.herc.research.va.gov/resources/faq_b06.asp

You also don’t think that part of the reason Medicare cost more than private is the fact that the typical Medicare patient is elderly, with more hospital stays and more disabilities? You really thinks its fair to compare the typical Medicare participator with a typical working person who has private insurance?

Yes, there are VA horror stories, but I ask you to go to the home in Chula Vista and come back and report to me how terrible it is.

Having experienced the VA system I can personally say it was amazing and the care my family received was better than what I’ve experienced with my own private insurer.

“Massachusetts but they are a perfect example of what the democrats want. Interestingly enough it was instituted by a republican, Mitt Romney. Most employers have dumped their employees into the public insurance pool and the amount of people in that insurance pool has skyrocketed so badly they have started removing people from that pool, and made them ineligible for benefits.”

Most employers have dumped their workers insurance? I looked over and over and there is no factual evidence that this is happening. About 3% of employers dropped insurance and took the $249 penalty for each unisured employee. In fact 150,000 more people have become insured by their employers.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/07/10/mass_health_overhaul_offers_lessons_for_us_program

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/6/w576?HITS=10&hits=10&author1=long&maxtoshow=&andorexactfulltext=and&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT&fulltext=employers&searchid=1&RESULTFORMAT=

Mass has more and more people under their care partly because of the recession and the loss of jobs and dwindling incomes.

I will not argue that Mass has not had a tough time and it is perfect, but your incorrect fear-mongering that thousands were dropped and employers are fleeing is inaccurate until you can provide me scholastic proof otherwise.

You also should clarify who was removed and it was immigrants living in Mass less than five years. It was not life long residents kicked out of the system. Also, those immigrants are now covered under the Commonwealth Care program. The only thing they will not cover them for is dental and hospice care. Sorry you are simply wrong it was reinstated August 10.

“If you think that introducing a public option will not have worse effects than just forcing insurance companies to lower their rates, you are in for a rude awakening. No business can compete with the government. The government does not have to pay taxes, it does not have to be fiscally responsible, and it can spend pretty much however it wants. There’s just no way to compete with that. What is more likely is that insurance will choose not to provide those insurance services and that business to lower their costs will force employees to use the public option”.

Have you studied the Swiss system, because they have magically been able to have Universal Care and Private Insurance. Sorry you are wrong and its working now. Private insurance companies are still making money even though they are regulated like the dickens.

I don’t think I will be done calling people names either.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Sdgrrl: Following are links to some articles that tell something of a different story. In terms of disclosure, the first article was found at Boston.com, which is not conservative leaning (no surprise there) and the second and third articles came from the Cato Institute. Regarding Cato, it has shown a consistent non-partisan approach, unlike, say, American Heritage. The third article is particularly good and well worth the read.

http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/08/15/mass_health_insurers_post_losses/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/05/obamacare_increases_costs_wait_times_98176.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/25/romneys_folly_-_health-care_mandates_are_a_middle-class_tax_97616.html

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Sdgrrl: Following are links to some articles that tell something of a different story. In terms of disclosure, the first article was found at Boston.com, which is not conservative leaning (no surprise there) and the second and third articles came from the Cato Institute. Regarding Cato, it has shown a consistent non-partisan approach, unlike, say, American Heritage. The third article is particularly good and well worth the read.

http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/08/15/mass_health_insurers_post_losses/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/05/obamacare_increases_costs_wait_times_98176.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/25/romneys_folly_-_health-care_mandates_are_a_middle-class_tax_97616.html

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Sdgrrl: Following are links to some articles that tell something of a different story. In terms of disclosure, the first article was found at Boston.com, which is not conservative leaning (no surprise there) and the second and third articles came from the Cato Institute. Regarding Cato, it has shown a consistent non-partisan approach, unlike, say, American Heritage. The third article is particularly good and well worth the read.

http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/08/15/mass_health_insurers_post_losses/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/05/obamacare_increases_costs_wait_times_98176.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/25/romneys_folly_-_health-care_mandates_are_a_middle-class_tax_97616.html

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Sdgrrl: Following are links to some articles that tell something of a different story. In terms of disclosure, the first article was found at Boston.com, which is not conservative leaning (no surprise there) and the second and third articles came from the Cato Institute. Regarding Cato, it has shown a consistent non-partisan approach, unlike, say, American Heritage. The third article is particularly good and well worth the read.

http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/08/15/mass_health_insurers_post_losses/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/05/obamacare_increases_costs_wait_times_98176.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/25/romneys_folly_-_health-care_mandates_are_a_middle-class_tax_97616.html

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Sdgrrl: Following are links to some articles that tell something of a different story. In terms of disclosure, the first article was found at Boston.com, which is not conservative leaning (no surprise there) and the second and third articles came from the Cato Institute. Regarding Cato, it has shown a consistent non-partisan approach, unlike, say, American Heritage. The third article is particularly good and well worth the read.

http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/08/15/mass_health_insurers_post_losses/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/05/obamacare_increases_costs_wait_times_98176.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/25/romneys_folly_-_health-care_mandates_are_a_middle-class_tax_97616.html

[Allan from Fallbrook]

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Medicare insures the un-insurable, so of course it is going to cost a lot and lose money. The idea is that if you expand that and have everyone throwing into the pool, the people who don’t always need the service are subsidizing the people who are actually using it. This is the very definition of insurance, is it not?

Have you ever shopped at Costco? When you buy in bulk, costs go down. If you have 300 million people throwing into the insurance pool rather than 40 million, costs will go down for everybody.

And how is a public option going to stifle innovation? This isn’t a bill about funding research — it is a bill about paying for medical care. The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard? Most of the breakthroughs in cancer, stem cells, HIV, Alzheimer, etc, are happening in universities, not corporations. This bill has nothing to do with funding for universities or even corporations doing research. Yet another straw man scare tactic.

Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.

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Medicare insures the un-insurable, so of course it is going to cost a lot and lose money. The idea is that if you expand that and have everyone throwing into the pool, the people who don’t always need the service are subsidizing the people who are actually using it. This is the very definition of insurance, is it not?

Have you ever shopped at Costco? When you buy in bulk, costs go down. If you have 300 million people throwing into the insurance pool rather than 40 million, costs will go down for everybody.

And how is a public option going to stifle innovation? This isn’t a bill about funding research — it is a bill about paying for medical care. The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard? Most of the breakthroughs in cancer, stem cells, HIV, Alzheimer, etc, are happening in universities, not corporations. This bill has nothing to do with funding for universities or even corporations doing research. Yet another straw man scare tactic.

Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.

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Medicare insures the un-insurable, so of course it is going to cost a lot and lose money. The idea is that if you expand that and have everyone throwing into the pool, the people who don’t always need the service are subsidizing the people who are actually using it. This is the very definition of insurance, is it not?

Have you ever shopped at Costco? When you buy in bulk, costs go down. If you have 300 million people throwing into the insurance pool rather than 40 million, costs will go down for everybody.

And how is a public option going to stifle innovation? This isn’t a bill about funding research — it is a bill about paying for medical care. The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard? Most of the breakthroughs in cancer, stem cells, HIV, Alzheimer, etc, are happening in universities, not corporations. This bill has nothing to do with funding for universities or even corporations doing research. Yet another straw man scare tactic.

Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.

[afx114]

Medicare insures the un-insurable, so of course it is going to cost a lot and lose money. The idea is that if you expand that and have everyone throwing into the pool, the people who don’t always need the service are subsidizing the people who are actually using it. This is the very definition of insurance, is it not?

Have you ever shopped at Costco? When you buy in bulk, costs go down. If you have 300 million people throwing into the insurance pool rather than 40 million, costs will go down for everybody.

And how is a public option going to stifle innovation? This isn’t a bill about funding research — it is a bill about paying for medical care. The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard? Most of the breakthroughs in cancer, stem cells, HIV, Alzheimer, etc, are happening in universities, not corporations. This bill has nothing to do with funding for universities or even corporations doing research. Yet another straw man scare tactic.

Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.

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