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January 8, 2008 at 3:04 PM #132173January 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM #131901bsrsharmaParticipant
why do you find the Mormons any wackier than the Hindus or the Muslims?
What Is It About Mormonism?
Ambroise Tezenas for The New York Times- By NOAH FELDMAN
Published: January 6, 2008Our post-denominational age should be the perfect time for a Mormon to become president, or at least the Republican nominee. Mormons share nearly all the conservative commitments so beloved of the evangelicals who wield disproportionate influence in primary elections. Mormons also embody, in their efficient organizational style, the managerial competence that the party’s pro-business wing considers attractive. For the last half-century, Mormons have been so committed to the Republican Party that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints once felt the need to clarify that Republican affiliation is not an actual condition of church membership.
Yet the Mormons’ political loyalty is not fully reciprocated by their fellow Republicans. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans told the Harris Poll last year that they probably or definitely would not vote for a Mormon for president. Among evangelicals, some of the discomfort is narrowly religious: Mormon theology is sometimes understood as non-Christian and heretical. Elsewhere, the reasons for the aversion to Mormons are harder to pin down — bigotry can be funny that way — but they are certainly not theological. A majority of Americans have no idea what Mormons believe.
Mormonism’s political problem arises, in large part, from the disconcerting split between its public and private faces. The church’s most inviting public symbols — pairs of clean-cut missionaries in well-pressed white shirts — evoke the wholesome success of an all-American denomination with an idealistic commitment to clean living. Yet at the same time, secret, sacred temple rites and garments call to mind the church’s murky past, including its embrace of polygamy, which has not been the doctrine or practice of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or LDS, for a century. Mormonism, it seems, is extreme in both respects: in its exaggerated normalcy and its exaggerated oddity. The marriage of these opposites leaves outsiders uncomfortable, wondering what Mormonism really is……………
January 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM #132082bsrsharmaParticipantwhy do you find the Mormons any wackier than the Hindus or the Muslims?
What Is It About Mormonism?
Ambroise Tezenas for The New York Times- By NOAH FELDMAN
Published: January 6, 2008Our post-denominational age should be the perfect time for a Mormon to become president, or at least the Republican nominee. Mormons share nearly all the conservative commitments so beloved of the evangelicals who wield disproportionate influence in primary elections. Mormons also embody, in their efficient organizational style, the managerial competence that the party’s pro-business wing considers attractive. For the last half-century, Mormons have been so committed to the Republican Party that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints once felt the need to clarify that Republican affiliation is not an actual condition of church membership.
Yet the Mormons’ political loyalty is not fully reciprocated by their fellow Republicans. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans told the Harris Poll last year that they probably or definitely would not vote for a Mormon for president. Among evangelicals, some of the discomfort is narrowly religious: Mormon theology is sometimes understood as non-Christian and heretical. Elsewhere, the reasons for the aversion to Mormons are harder to pin down — bigotry can be funny that way — but they are certainly not theological. A majority of Americans have no idea what Mormons believe.
Mormonism’s political problem arises, in large part, from the disconcerting split between its public and private faces. The church’s most inviting public symbols — pairs of clean-cut missionaries in well-pressed white shirts — evoke the wholesome success of an all-American denomination with an idealistic commitment to clean living. Yet at the same time, secret, sacred temple rites and garments call to mind the church’s murky past, including its embrace of polygamy, which has not been the doctrine or practice of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or LDS, for a century. Mormonism, it seems, is extreme in both respects: in its exaggerated normalcy and its exaggerated oddity. The marriage of these opposites leaves outsiders uncomfortable, wondering what Mormonism really is……………
January 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM #132092bsrsharmaParticipantwhy do you find the Mormons any wackier than the Hindus or the Muslims?
What Is It About Mormonism?
Ambroise Tezenas for The New York Times- By NOAH FELDMAN
Published: January 6, 2008Our post-denominational age should be the perfect time for a Mormon to become president, or at least the Republican nominee. Mormons share nearly all the conservative commitments so beloved of the evangelicals who wield disproportionate influence in primary elections. Mormons also embody, in their efficient organizational style, the managerial competence that the party’s pro-business wing considers attractive. For the last half-century, Mormons have been so committed to the Republican Party that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints once felt the need to clarify that Republican affiliation is not an actual condition of church membership.
Yet the Mormons’ political loyalty is not fully reciprocated by their fellow Republicans. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans told the Harris Poll last year that they probably or definitely would not vote for a Mormon for president. Among evangelicals, some of the discomfort is narrowly religious: Mormon theology is sometimes understood as non-Christian and heretical. Elsewhere, the reasons for the aversion to Mormons are harder to pin down — bigotry can be funny that way — but they are certainly not theological. A majority of Americans have no idea what Mormons believe.
Mormonism’s political problem arises, in large part, from the disconcerting split between its public and private faces. The church’s most inviting public symbols — pairs of clean-cut missionaries in well-pressed white shirts — evoke the wholesome success of an all-American denomination with an idealistic commitment to clean living. Yet at the same time, secret, sacred temple rites and garments call to mind the church’s murky past, including its embrace of polygamy, which has not been the doctrine or practice of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or LDS, for a century. Mormonism, it seems, is extreme in both respects: in its exaggerated normalcy and its exaggerated oddity. The marriage of these opposites leaves outsiders uncomfortable, wondering what Mormonism really is……………
January 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM #132155bsrsharmaParticipantwhy do you find the Mormons any wackier than the Hindus or the Muslims?
What Is It About Mormonism?
Ambroise Tezenas for The New York Times- By NOAH FELDMAN
Published: January 6, 2008Our post-denominational age should be the perfect time for a Mormon to become president, or at least the Republican nominee. Mormons share nearly all the conservative commitments so beloved of the evangelicals who wield disproportionate influence in primary elections. Mormons also embody, in their efficient organizational style, the managerial competence that the party’s pro-business wing considers attractive. For the last half-century, Mormons have been so committed to the Republican Party that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints once felt the need to clarify that Republican affiliation is not an actual condition of church membership.
Yet the Mormons’ political loyalty is not fully reciprocated by their fellow Republicans. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans told the Harris Poll last year that they probably or definitely would not vote for a Mormon for president. Among evangelicals, some of the discomfort is narrowly religious: Mormon theology is sometimes understood as non-Christian and heretical. Elsewhere, the reasons for the aversion to Mormons are harder to pin down — bigotry can be funny that way — but they are certainly not theological. A majority of Americans have no idea what Mormons believe.
Mormonism’s political problem arises, in large part, from the disconcerting split between its public and private faces. The church’s most inviting public symbols — pairs of clean-cut missionaries in well-pressed white shirts — evoke the wholesome success of an all-American denomination with an idealistic commitment to clean living. Yet at the same time, secret, sacred temple rites and garments call to mind the church’s murky past, including its embrace of polygamy, which has not been the doctrine or practice of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or LDS, for a century. Mormonism, it seems, is extreme in both respects: in its exaggerated normalcy and its exaggerated oddity. The marriage of these opposites leaves outsiders uncomfortable, wondering what Mormonism really is……………
January 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM #132188bsrsharmaParticipantwhy do you find the Mormons any wackier than the Hindus or the Muslims?
What Is It About Mormonism?
Ambroise Tezenas for The New York Times- By NOAH FELDMAN
Published: January 6, 2008Our post-denominational age should be the perfect time for a Mormon to become president, or at least the Republican nominee. Mormons share nearly all the conservative commitments so beloved of the evangelicals who wield disproportionate influence in primary elections. Mormons also embody, in their efficient organizational style, the managerial competence that the party’s pro-business wing considers attractive. For the last half-century, Mormons have been so committed to the Republican Party that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints once felt the need to clarify that Republican affiliation is not an actual condition of church membership.
Yet the Mormons’ political loyalty is not fully reciprocated by their fellow Republicans. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans told the Harris Poll last year that they probably or definitely would not vote for a Mormon for president. Among evangelicals, some of the discomfort is narrowly religious: Mormon theology is sometimes understood as non-Christian and heretical. Elsewhere, the reasons for the aversion to Mormons are harder to pin down — bigotry can be funny that way — but they are certainly not theological. A majority of Americans have no idea what Mormons believe.
Mormonism’s political problem arises, in large part, from the disconcerting split between its public and private faces. The church’s most inviting public symbols — pairs of clean-cut missionaries in well-pressed white shirts — evoke the wholesome success of an all-American denomination with an idealistic commitment to clean living. Yet at the same time, secret, sacred temple rites and garments call to mind the church’s murky past, including its embrace of polygamy, which has not been the doctrine or practice of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or LDS, for a century. Mormonism, it seems, is extreme in both respects: in its exaggerated normalcy and its exaggerated oddity. The marriage of these opposites leaves outsiders uncomfortable, wondering what Mormonism really is……………
January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM #131972Allan from FallbrookParticipantzk: As a Catholic, I want to tread carefully on the issue of Mormonism. I don’t think of Hindus, or Buddhists, or Jews, or other Christian sects as wacky. I have an issue with Islam, but largely because it is a religion designed to be proselytized by the sword, and offers no equal accommodation with other faiths, especially where it is the dominant religion.
There is a demonstrable historicity to Jesus. One can find proof of his existence, as well as his teachings, and his torture and death at the hands of the Romans. Does this make him the Son of God? No, but I believe he is.
My main issue with the Mormons is how this religion came into being. An angel named Moroni brought a set of golden plates down to earth for Joseph Smith to read and transcribe. Transcription was achieved by using magic goggles (also provided by Moroni). The Book of Mormon is the result of this event. The Book of Mormon makes some pretty fantastical representations (Jesus coming to America after his resurrection is one), and these have been debunked by historians and scholars over the years. And not just Christian historians and scholars. BYU (Brigham Young University) has spent considerable time and money trying to prove that the representations made in the Book of Mormon did in fact happen, but has failed utterly.
Again, as a Catholic, I want to be very careful in using the word “cult” as that finger can justifiably be pointed right back at us. However, Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s. Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest prior to the Schism, and his issue with the Church was not theological, rather it centered on abuses (bastard children, sale of indulgences, land holdings and sales, etc) that were wholly earthly in nature.
January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM #132152Allan from FallbrookParticipantzk: As a Catholic, I want to tread carefully on the issue of Mormonism. I don’t think of Hindus, or Buddhists, or Jews, or other Christian sects as wacky. I have an issue with Islam, but largely because it is a religion designed to be proselytized by the sword, and offers no equal accommodation with other faiths, especially where it is the dominant religion.
There is a demonstrable historicity to Jesus. One can find proof of his existence, as well as his teachings, and his torture and death at the hands of the Romans. Does this make him the Son of God? No, but I believe he is.
My main issue with the Mormons is how this religion came into being. An angel named Moroni brought a set of golden plates down to earth for Joseph Smith to read and transcribe. Transcription was achieved by using magic goggles (also provided by Moroni). The Book of Mormon is the result of this event. The Book of Mormon makes some pretty fantastical representations (Jesus coming to America after his resurrection is one), and these have been debunked by historians and scholars over the years. And not just Christian historians and scholars. BYU (Brigham Young University) has spent considerable time and money trying to prove that the representations made in the Book of Mormon did in fact happen, but has failed utterly.
Again, as a Catholic, I want to be very careful in using the word “cult” as that finger can justifiably be pointed right back at us. However, Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s. Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest prior to the Schism, and his issue with the Church was not theological, rather it centered on abuses (bastard children, sale of indulgences, land holdings and sales, etc) that were wholly earthly in nature.
January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM #132164Allan from FallbrookParticipantzk: As a Catholic, I want to tread carefully on the issue of Mormonism. I don’t think of Hindus, or Buddhists, or Jews, or other Christian sects as wacky. I have an issue with Islam, but largely because it is a religion designed to be proselytized by the sword, and offers no equal accommodation with other faiths, especially where it is the dominant religion.
There is a demonstrable historicity to Jesus. One can find proof of his existence, as well as his teachings, and his torture and death at the hands of the Romans. Does this make him the Son of God? No, but I believe he is.
My main issue with the Mormons is how this religion came into being. An angel named Moroni brought a set of golden plates down to earth for Joseph Smith to read and transcribe. Transcription was achieved by using magic goggles (also provided by Moroni). The Book of Mormon is the result of this event. The Book of Mormon makes some pretty fantastical representations (Jesus coming to America after his resurrection is one), and these have been debunked by historians and scholars over the years. And not just Christian historians and scholars. BYU (Brigham Young University) has spent considerable time and money trying to prove that the representations made in the Book of Mormon did in fact happen, but has failed utterly.
Again, as a Catholic, I want to be very careful in using the word “cult” as that finger can justifiably be pointed right back at us. However, Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s. Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest prior to the Schism, and his issue with the Church was not theological, rather it centered on abuses (bastard children, sale of indulgences, land holdings and sales, etc) that were wholly earthly in nature.
January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM #132225Allan from FallbrookParticipantzk: As a Catholic, I want to tread carefully on the issue of Mormonism. I don’t think of Hindus, or Buddhists, or Jews, or other Christian sects as wacky. I have an issue with Islam, but largely because it is a religion designed to be proselytized by the sword, and offers no equal accommodation with other faiths, especially where it is the dominant religion.
There is a demonstrable historicity to Jesus. One can find proof of his existence, as well as his teachings, and his torture and death at the hands of the Romans. Does this make him the Son of God? No, but I believe he is.
My main issue with the Mormons is how this religion came into being. An angel named Moroni brought a set of golden plates down to earth for Joseph Smith to read and transcribe. Transcription was achieved by using magic goggles (also provided by Moroni). The Book of Mormon is the result of this event. The Book of Mormon makes some pretty fantastical representations (Jesus coming to America after his resurrection is one), and these have been debunked by historians and scholars over the years. And not just Christian historians and scholars. BYU (Brigham Young University) has spent considerable time and money trying to prove that the representations made in the Book of Mormon did in fact happen, but has failed utterly.
Again, as a Catholic, I want to be very careful in using the word “cult” as that finger can justifiably be pointed right back at us. However, Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s. Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest prior to the Schism, and his issue with the Church was not theological, rather it centered on abuses (bastard children, sale of indulgences, land holdings and sales, etc) that were wholly earthly in nature.
January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM #132259Allan from FallbrookParticipantzk: As a Catholic, I want to tread carefully on the issue of Mormonism. I don’t think of Hindus, or Buddhists, or Jews, or other Christian sects as wacky. I have an issue with Islam, but largely because it is a religion designed to be proselytized by the sword, and offers no equal accommodation with other faiths, especially where it is the dominant religion.
There is a demonstrable historicity to Jesus. One can find proof of his existence, as well as his teachings, and his torture and death at the hands of the Romans. Does this make him the Son of God? No, but I believe he is.
My main issue with the Mormons is how this religion came into being. An angel named Moroni brought a set of golden plates down to earth for Joseph Smith to read and transcribe. Transcription was achieved by using magic goggles (also provided by Moroni). The Book of Mormon is the result of this event. The Book of Mormon makes some pretty fantastical representations (Jesus coming to America after his resurrection is one), and these have been debunked by historians and scholars over the years. And not just Christian historians and scholars. BYU (Brigham Young University) has spent considerable time and money trying to prove that the representations made in the Book of Mormon did in fact happen, but has failed utterly.
Again, as a Catholic, I want to be very careful in using the word “cult” as that finger can justifiably be pointed right back at us. However, Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s. Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest prior to the Schism, and his issue with the Church was not theological, rather it centered on abuses (bastard children, sale of indulgences, land holdings and sales, etc) that were wholly earthly in nature.
January 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM #131991zkParticipantPerhaps I should be able to tell by the context what “Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s” means. But since it seems to be at the crux of your argument, I’d prefer to ask exactly what you mean by that rather than to assume.
January 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM #132172zkParticipantPerhaps I should be able to tell by the context what “Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s” means. But since it seems to be at the crux of your argument, I’d prefer to ask exactly what you mean by that rather than to assume.
January 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM #132185zkParticipantPerhaps I should be able to tell by the context what “Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s” means. But since it seems to be at the crux of your argument, I’d prefer to ask exactly what you mean by that rather than to assume.
January 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM #132242zkParticipantPerhaps I should be able to tell by the context what “Catholicism’s theological underpinnings are sound, unlike Mormonism’s” means. But since it seems to be at the crux of your argument, I’d prefer to ask exactly what you mean by that rather than to assume.
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