Obama gets peace prize for not being Bush!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Brian: Okay. Essentially, glib BS and a complete whitewash.

I would admonish you (again) not to attack conservatives without basis, but its clear that would be pointless.

As far as Clinton goes: Whatever. In your book, morals and ethics are situational for people you favor and cast in stone for those whom you don’t.

As far as ideology goes: You might want to read some more history. Both Left and Right are guilty of ideological lockstep, but you seem blind to that fact. Again, what your guys do is okay and those who oppose you are all lying, cheating malcontents bent on humanity’s destruction. That kind of thinking is especially helpful to demagogues and ideologues of all stripes.

Have fun with whomever else here that wants to lock rapiers with you; I’m done. This isn’t a dialogue with someone who is capable of understanding an opposing point of view or admitting when they might be wrong, so what is the point in continuing? My hat off to whomever propagandized you: They did a great job.

[ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..

[ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..

[ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..

[ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..

[ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..[/quote]

Ucodegen: Certain folks on this board, like Brian and Pat, don’t like facts. Facts are inconvenient, as is the truth. Its far easier to either go ad hominem or ignore those things that don’t fit your worldview.

Hiding behind this “Us versus Them” meme is especially easy, in that it allows for everything to devolve into an easily understood and, more importantly, easily swallowed condensation of events. Who cares if its true?

I pointed out to Brian earlier that Hillary Clinton’s fulminations about the “vast right-wing conspiracy” all pre-dated her finding out that Monica was indeed gargling Bill’s meat doodle. That story then became the accepted truth amongst the true believers on the Left, not the fact that Bill suborned perjury, lied under oath and basically pissed on the office of the President.

As Brian says, “Hey, if we hadn’t asked, none of this would have happened” (is that part of Bill’s “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy?). When you reach that level of mendacity, the argument is over, as is the game.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..[/quote]

Ucodegen: Certain folks on this board, like Brian and Pat, don’t like facts. Facts are inconvenient, as is the truth. Its far easier to either go ad hominem or ignore those things that don’t fit your worldview.

Hiding behind this “Us versus Them” meme is especially easy, in that it allows for everything to devolve into an easily understood and, more importantly, easily swallowed condensation of events. Who cares if its true?

I pointed out to Brian earlier that Hillary Clinton’s fulminations about the “vast right-wing conspiracy” all pre-dated her finding out that Monica was indeed gargling Bill’s meat doodle. That story then became the accepted truth amongst the true believers on the Left, not the fact that Bill suborned perjury, lied under oath and basically pissed on the office of the President.

As Brian says, “Hey, if we hadn’t asked, none of this would have happened” (is that part of Bill’s “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy?). When you reach that level of mendacity, the argument is over, as is the game.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..[/quote]

Ucodegen: Certain folks on this board, like Brian and Pat, don’t like facts. Facts are inconvenient, as is the truth. Its far easier to either go ad hominem or ignore those things that don’t fit your worldview.

Hiding behind this “Us versus Them” meme is especially easy, in that it allows for everything to devolve into an easily understood and, more importantly, easily swallowed condensation of events. Who cares if its true?

I pointed out to Brian earlier that Hillary Clinton’s fulminations about the “vast right-wing conspiracy” all pre-dated her finding out that Monica was indeed gargling Bill’s meat doodle. That story then became the accepted truth amongst the true believers on the Left, not the fact that Bill suborned perjury, lied under oath and basically pissed on the office of the President.

As Brian says, “Hey, if we hadn’t asked, none of this would have happened” (is that part of Bill’s “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy?). When you reach that level of mendacity, the argument is over, as is the game.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..[/quote]

Ucodegen: Certain folks on this board, like Brian and Pat, don’t like facts. Facts are inconvenient, as is the truth. Its far easier to either go ad hominem or ignore those things that don’t fit your worldview.

Hiding behind this “Us versus Them” meme is especially easy, in that it allows for everything to devolve into an easily understood and, more importantly, easily swallowed condensation of events. Who cares if its true?

I pointed out to Brian earlier that Hillary Clinton’s fulminations about the “vast right-wing conspiracy” all pre-dated her finding out that Monica was indeed gargling Bill’s meat doodle. That story then became the accepted truth amongst the true believers on the Left, not the fact that Bill suborned perjury, lied under oath and basically pissed on the office of the President.

As Brian says, “Hey, if we hadn’t asked, none of this would have happened” (is that part of Bill’s “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy?). When you reach that level of mendacity, the argument is over, as is the game.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=ucodegen]

Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.

Actually, that is not what Clinton was being impeached for. It was for using his office for subverting justice in the Paula Jones affair. The truth behind the affair was significant enough that it cost Clinton $850,000 and his law license.. details that the mainstream media seems to completely miss. The mainstream media seems to always get caught up in the sex and scandal (because it sells copy?) and ignores the facts..[/quote]

Ucodegen: Certain folks on this board, like Brian and Pat, don’t like facts. Facts are inconvenient, as is the truth. Its far easier to either go ad hominem or ignore those things that don’t fit your worldview.

Hiding behind this “Us versus Them” meme is especially easy, in that it allows for everything to devolve into an easily understood and, more importantly, easily swallowed condensation of events. Who cares if its true?

I pointed out to Brian earlier that Hillary Clinton’s fulminations about the “vast right-wing conspiracy” all pre-dated her finding out that Monica was indeed gargling Bill’s meat doodle. That story then became the accepted truth amongst the true believers on the Left, not the fact that Bill suborned perjury, lied under oath and basically pissed on the office of the President.

As Brian says, “Hey, if we hadn’t asked, none of this would have happened” (is that part of Bill’s “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy?). When you reach that level of mendacity, the argument is over, as is the game.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1]The question is whose choice is more important.

The woman’s choice is most important.

The fetus cannot choose. And the fetus’ religious defenders’ opinions count much less than the wishes of the woman.

The woman gets to decide. (Oh, man, I can’t believe I said that, hahaha…. )[/quote]

So some are “more equal than others”

What is your definition of equality?

And I don’t care what your view of the conservative def is. I can read the King James for myself.

What is your definition of equality?

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1]The question is whose choice is more important.

The woman’s choice is most important.

The fetus cannot choose. And the fetus’ religious defenders’ opinions count much less than the wishes of the woman.

The woman gets to decide. (Oh, man, I can’t believe I said that, hahaha…. )[/quote]

So some are “more equal than others”

What is your definition of equality?

And I don’t care what your view of the conservative def is. I can read the King James for myself.

What is your definition of equality?

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1]The question is whose choice is more important.

The woman’s choice is most important.

The fetus cannot choose. And the fetus’ religious defenders’ opinions count much less than the wishes of the woman.

The woman gets to decide. (Oh, man, I can’t believe I said that, hahaha…. )[/quote]

So some are “more equal than others”

What is your definition of equality?

And I don’t care what your view of the conservative def is. I can read the King James for myself.

What is your definition of equality?

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1]The question is whose choice is more important.

The woman’s choice is most important.

The fetus cannot choose. And the fetus’ religious defenders’ opinions count much less than the wishes of the woman.

The woman gets to decide. (Oh, man, I can’t believe I said that, hahaha…. )[/quote]

So some are “more equal than others”

What is your definition of equality?

And I don’t care what your view of the conservative def is. I can read the King James for myself.

What is your definition of equality?

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