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October 17, 2009 at 10:03 PM #471292October 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM #470550
fredo4
Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.October 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM #470734Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.October 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM #471089Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.October 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM #471163Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.October 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM #471383Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.October 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM #470693briansd1
Guestfredo4, abortion is optional to accommodate different beliefs.
Abortion is never mandatory.
If birth control were more universally readily available, at very low cost, then the need for abortion would be nearly obviated.
The reality is that women and men will have sex. We just need to provide sex education and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Making a woman carry out an unwanted pregnancy is cruel in my opinion. It’s much more cruel than legally aborting a fetus.
October 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM #470878Guestfredo4, abortion is optional to accommodate different beliefs.
Abortion is never mandatory.
If birth control were more universally readily available, at very low cost, then the need for abortion would be nearly obviated.
The reality is that women and men will have sex. We just need to provide sex education and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Making a woman carry out an unwanted pregnancy is cruel in my opinion. It’s much more cruel than legally aborting a fetus.
October 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM #471232Guestfredo4, abortion is optional to accommodate different beliefs.
Abortion is never mandatory.
If birth control were more universally readily available, at very low cost, then the need for abortion would be nearly obviated.
The reality is that women and men will have sex. We just need to provide sex education and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Making a woman carry out an unwanted pregnancy is cruel in my opinion. It’s much more cruel than legally aborting a fetus.
October 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM #471308Guestfredo4, abortion is optional to accommodate different beliefs.
Abortion is never mandatory.
If birth control were more universally readily available, at very low cost, then the need for abortion would be nearly obviated.
The reality is that women and men will have sex. We just need to provide sex education and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Making a woman carry out an unwanted pregnancy is cruel in my opinion. It’s much more cruel than legally aborting a fetus.
October 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM #471528Guestfredo4, abortion is optional to accommodate different beliefs.
Abortion is never mandatory.
If birth control were more universally readily available, at very low cost, then the need for abortion would be nearly obviated.
The reality is that women and men will have sex. We just need to provide sex education and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Making a woman carry out an unwanted pregnancy is cruel in my opinion. It’s much more cruel than legally aborting a fetus.
October 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM #470713GuestBack to the original topic. Here’s an interesting op-ed by Bono on the branding of America.
The idea of America sustains hope and drive for millions of people around the world.
Obama, as president, has completely reshaped the image of American around the world.
America is not just a country but an idea, a great idea about opportunity for all and responsibility to your fellow man.
The world wants to believe in America again because the world needs to believe in America again. We need your ideas — your idea — at a time when the rest of the world is running out of them.
October 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM #470895GuestBack to the original topic. Here’s an interesting op-ed by Bono on the branding of America.
The idea of America sustains hope and drive for millions of people around the world.
Obama, as president, has completely reshaped the image of American around the world.
America is not just a country but an idea, a great idea about opportunity for all and responsibility to your fellow man.
The world wants to believe in America again because the world needs to believe in America again. We need your ideas — your idea — at a time when the rest of the world is running out of them.
October 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM #471250GuestBack to the original topic. Here’s an interesting op-ed by Bono on the branding of America.
The idea of America sustains hope and drive for millions of people around the world.
Obama, as president, has completely reshaped the image of American around the world.
America is not just a country but an idea, a great idea about opportunity for all and responsibility to your fellow man.
The world wants to believe in America again because the world needs to believe in America again. We need your ideas — your idea — at a time when the rest of the world is running out of them.
October 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM #471326GuestBack to the original topic. Here’s an interesting op-ed by Bono on the branding of America.
The idea of America sustains hope and drive for millions of people around the world.
Obama, as president, has completely reshaped the image of American around the world.
America is not just a country but an idea, a great idea about opportunity for all and responsibility to your fellow man.
The world wants to believe in America again because the world needs to believe in America again. We need your ideas — your idea — at a time when the rest of the world is running out of them.
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