NPR: “Offshore Tax Havens”

[gandalf]

Corporations DON’T pay taxes.

Think it over, tea baggers.

Maybe you’re batting for the wrong team.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]Taking away the private pensions was the first step. Then they can get all of the private workers to bitch about the “lazy union workers” who still get a pension. Whip up some phony outrage, angry talking heads on TV, etc… Pretty soon the masses are calling for blood and the public workers lose their pensions too. Meanwhile the white shoe boys are laughing all the way to their offshore bank accounts and megayachts.

We are so screwed, it is so obvious how they manipulate everyone but no one seems to notice. The union thing is a perfect example. The teaparty starts out with “No bailouts! No bailouts!” Then a couple of paid plants start screaming “No benefits for lazy public workers! No unions!” Pretty soon the whole herd is going along with it. People are like sheep, all you need is a sheepdog and you can make them go anywhere you want.[/quote]

Bingo!

Some people fail to grasp where their talking points are coming from. These people are being used to spread propaganda by the very people (corporations and financial elite) who off-shored their jobs, and took away their pensions and higher wages.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]Taking away the private pensions was the first step. Then they can get all of the private workers to bitch about the “lazy union workers” who still get a pension. Whip up some phony outrage, angry talking heads on TV, etc… Pretty soon the masses are calling for blood and the public workers lose their pensions too. Meanwhile the white shoe boys are laughing all the way to their offshore bank accounts and megayachts.

We are so screwed, it is so obvious how they manipulate everyone but no one seems to notice. The union thing is a perfect example. The teaparty starts out with “No bailouts! No bailouts!” Then a couple of paid plants start screaming “No benefits for lazy public workers! No unions!” Pretty soon the whole herd is going along with it. People are like sheep, all you need is a sheepdog and you can make them go anywhere you want.[/quote]

Bingo!

Some people fail to grasp where their talking points are coming from. These people are being used to spread propaganda by the very people (corporations and financial elite) who off-shored their jobs, and took away their pensions and higher wages.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]Taking away the private pensions was the first step. Then they can get all of the private workers to bitch about the “lazy union workers” who still get a pension. Whip up some phony outrage, angry talking heads on TV, etc… Pretty soon the masses are calling for blood and the public workers lose their pensions too. Meanwhile the white shoe boys are laughing all the way to their offshore bank accounts and megayachts.

We are so screwed, it is so obvious how they manipulate everyone but no one seems to notice. The union thing is a perfect example. The teaparty starts out with “No bailouts! No bailouts!” Then a couple of paid plants start screaming “No benefits for lazy public workers! No unions!” Pretty soon the whole herd is going along with it. People are like sheep, all you need is a sheepdog and you can make them go anywhere you want.[/quote]

Bingo!

Some people fail to grasp where their talking points are coming from. These people are being used to spread propaganda by the very people (corporations and financial elite) who off-shored their jobs, and took away their pensions and higher wages.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]Taking away the private pensions was the first step. Then they can get all of the private workers to bitch about the “lazy union workers” who still get a pension. Whip up some phony outrage, angry talking heads on TV, etc… Pretty soon the masses are calling for blood and the public workers lose their pensions too. Meanwhile the white shoe boys are laughing all the way to their offshore bank accounts and megayachts.

We are so screwed, it is so obvious how they manipulate everyone but no one seems to notice. The union thing is a perfect example. The teaparty starts out with “No bailouts! No bailouts!” Then a couple of paid plants start screaming “No benefits for lazy public workers! No unions!” Pretty soon the whole herd is going along with it. People are like sheep, all you need is a sheepdog and you can make them go anywhere you want.[/quote]

Bingo!

Some people fail to grasp where their talking points are coming from. These people are being used to spread propaganda by the very people (corporations and financial elite) who off-shored their jobs, and took away their pensions and higher wages.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]Taking away the private pensions was the first step. Then they can get all of the private workers to bitch about the “lazy union workers” who still get a pension. Whip up some phony outrage, angry talking heads on TV, etc… Pretty soon the masses are calling for blood and the public workers lose their pensions too. Meanwhile the white shoe boys are laughing all the way to their offshore bank accounts and megayachts.

We are so screwed, it is so obvious how they manipulate everyone but no one seems to notice. The union thing is a perfect example. The teaparty starts out with “No bailouts! No bailouts!” Then a couple of paid plants start screaming “No benefits for lazy public workers! No unions!” Pretty soon the whole herd is going along with it. People are like sheep, all you need is a sheepdog and you can make them go anywhere you want.[/quote]

Bingo!

Some people fail to grasp where their talking points are coming from. These people are being used to spread propaganda by the very people (corporations and financial elite) who off-shored their jobs, and took away their pensions and higher wages.

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.

Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?

Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?

You can look up the statistics here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.

Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?

Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?

You can look up the statistics here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.

Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?

Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?

You can look up the statistics here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.

Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?

Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?

You can look up the statistics here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.

Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?

Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?

You can look up the statistics here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

[UCGal]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

[UCGal]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

[UCGal]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

[UCGal]

[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

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