Non-salary CA budget cuts

[Eugene]

[quote=DWCAP]
Ok, I am not gonna say I know how to fix anything. I have been mulling what TG said earlier for a day or two now, and still have not made up my mind on alot of stuff. But the above comment doesnt mix well with SOME of the things I have been reading. The link below shows CA teachers at 120% of the national average, and certainly the highest in the west. I get the feeling that this is a data set that is highly dependent upon the standard being compared to for relivance to ones argument.

http://www.osba.org/lrelatns/salary/rankings.htm

(full disclosure, this only goes from 00-04, maybe everyone else just passed Ca teachers up? Gotta keep reading)

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On the other hand, back in 2004, CA K-12 spending per pupil was ranked #29 in the nation, below national average. Top 3 were NJ, NY, CT. Three lowest-paying states were Idaho, Arizona, Utah (who needs teachers when you have preachers?)

Apparently, CA spends almost as much on teacher salaries as NY and CT (to be expected, considering our cost of living…) but skimps on everything else.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22519.html

[5yes]

As a teacher in TV I too am wondering how anyone could be making $98,000. Our salary schedules are clearly posted on our district’s website, but they do not mention the all the fees, dues and other things that unvoluntarily are taken out of the paycheck. Additionally, TVUSD teachers voted to keep class size reduction and other programs, as well as teacher jobs by voluntarily taking a pay reduction for next year.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37701/

My first 2 years out of college I made way more money but teaching appeals to me and I think the salary is workable, though not generous. We do not have fablulous retirement programs, we have to reach a certain age and have to pay for our own healthcare in retirement, which currently for one person the cost is in excess of $800/month. I can’t imagine what it will be when I am ready to retire!

Anyone who thinks teachers are paid too well has no idea the amount of work we do and what our actual net pay ends up being. I am happy with my decision to teach, but still continually shocked by the lack of respect from the general community. When I voted to reduce my paycheck next year by a significant amount per month, as well as swallowing a 200% per month insurance cost raise, I did it to keep class size reductions for YOUR kids in their math and English classes, I did not receive a pink slip. At least in my district we have proven that most teachers want what is best for students even at a personal financial loss — what have you done for your community recently?

[5yes]

As a teacher in TV I too am wondering how anyone could be making $98,000. Our salary schedules are clearly posted on our district’s website, but they do not mention the all the fees, dues and other things that unvoluntarily are taken out of the paycheck. Additionally, TVUSD teachers voted to keep class size reduction and other programs, as well as teacher jobs by voluntarily taking a pay reduction for next year.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37701/

My first 2 years out of college I made way more money but teaching appeals to me and I think the salary is workable, though not generous. We do not have fablulous retirement programs, we have to reach a certain age and have to pay for our own healthcare in retirement, which currently for one person the cost is in excess of $800/month. I can’t imagine what it will be when I am ready to retire!

Anyone who thinks teachers are paid too well has no idea the amount of work we do and what our actual net pay ends up being. I am happy with my decision to teach, but still continually shocked by the lack of respect from the general community. When I voted to reduce my paycheck next year by a significant amount per month, as well as swallowing a 200% per month insurance cost raise, I did it to keep class size reductions for YOUR kids in their math and English classes, I did not receive a pink slip. At least in my district we have proven that most teachers want what is best for students even at a personal financial loss — what have you done for your community recently?

[5yes]

As a teacher in TV I too am wondering how anyone could be making $98,000. Our salary schedules are clearly posted on our district’s website, but they do not mention the all the fees, dues and other things that unvoluntarily are taken out of the paycheck. Additionally, TVUSD teachers voted to keep class size reduction and other programs, as well as teacher jobs by voluntarily taking a pay reduction for next year.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37701/

My first 2 years out of college I made way more money but teaching appeals to me and I think the salary is workable, though not generous. We do not have fablulous retirement programs, we have to reach a certain age and have to pay for our own healthcare in retirement, which currently for one person the cost is in excess of $800/month. I can’t imagine what it will be when I am ready to retire!

Anyone who thinks teachers are paid too well has no idea the amount of work we do and what our actual net pay ends up being. I am happy with my decision to teach, but still continually shocked by the lack of respect from the general community. When I voted to reduce my paycheck next year by a significant amount per month, as well as swallowing a 200% per month insurance cost raise, I did it to keep class size reductions for YOUR kids in their math and English classes, I did not receive a pink slip. At least in my district we have proven that most teachers want what is best for students even at a personal financial loss — what have you done for your community recently?

[5yes]

As a teacher in TV I too am wondering how anyone could be making $98,000. Our salary schedules are clearly posted on our district’s website, but they do not mention the all the fees, dues and other things that unvoluntarily are taken out of the paycheck. Additionally, TVUSD teachers voted to keep class size reduction and other programs, as well as teacher jobs by voluntarily taking a pay reduction for next year.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37701/

My first 2 years out of college I made way more money but teaching appeals to me and I think the salary is workable, though not generous. We do not have fablulous retirement programs, we have to reach a certain age and have to pay for our own healthcare in retirement, which currently for one person the cost is in excess of $800/month. I can’t imagine what it will be when I am ready to retire!

Anyone who thinks teachers are paid too well has no idea the amount of work we do and what our actual net pay ends up being. I am happy with my decision to teach, but still continually shocked by the lack of respect from the general community. When I voted to reduce my paycheck next year by a significant amount per month, as well as swallowing a 200% per month insurance cost raise, I did it to keep class size reductions for YOUR kids in their math and English classes, I did not receive a pink slip. At least in my district we have proven that most teachers want what is best for students even at a personal financial loss — what have you done for your community recently?

[5yes]

As a teacher in TV I too am wondering how anyone could be making $98,000. Our salary schedules are clearly posted on our district’s website, but they do not mention the all the fees, dues and other things that unvoluntarily are taken out of the paycheck. Additionally, TVUSD teachers voted to keep class size reduction and other programs, as well as teacher jobs by voluntarily taking a pay reduction for next year.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37701/

My first 2 years out of college I made way more money but teaching appeals to me and I think the salary is workable, though not generous. We do not have fablulous retirement programs, we have to reach a certain age and have to pay for our own healthcare in retirement, which currently for one person the cost is in excess of $800/month. I can’t imagine what it will be when I am ready to retire!

Anyone who thinks teachers are paid too well has no idea the amount of work we do and what our actual net pay ends up being. I am happy with my decision to teach, but still continually shocked by the lack of respect from the general community. When I voted to reduce my paycheck next year by a significant amount per month, as well as swallowing a 200% per month insurance cost raise, I did it to keep class size reductions for YOUR kids in their math and English classes, I did not receive a pink slip. At least in my district we have proven that most teachers want what is best for students even at a personal financial loss — what have you done for your community recently?

[temeculaguy]

5yes, I appreciate what you do, I am eternally grateful, my kids are a product of your work and they are already smarter than me. I also live where I do based in large part on the work you and your colleages do. As I mentioned before, attacking your compensation is off point, the focus should be on the benefactor of your labor. If you were overcompensated, then there would be a huge line to be a teacher, people only scrutinize when their industry is having a bad time, three years ago there wasn’t a peep. It’s a tortoise/hare career decision, some years it’s good to have steady work and in others it sucks that everyone else is making big bucks. If anyone wants to complain about someone’s compensation, then go be one. I laughed at the complaints about the prison guard salaries, fine, I’m sure they’ll hire you, knock yourself out. The most under paid job in the world is the guy who pumps the poop out of the porta potties and septic tanks, if that guy made more money than me, I’m fine with it, cause i don’t want to do that.

DWCAP, sorry I screwed with your head for two days.

Let’s look at making babies and education, but not at what teachers make. Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. I still don’t have the answer, I’ve tried to think up a bifurcated education and health care system, where you get services based on how much you have paid in taxes, but I get lost in the design and the result, it feels unamerican to create a caste system.

I still keep going back to controlling procreation through regulation, I keep going back to the water supply birth control thing, having tests for prospective parents and a qualification system like qualifying for a mortgage, you can’t buy three houses because you can’t afford it so you can’t have three kids until you can afford it, because the rest of us are sick of paying the freight, but then it feels all science fictiony and weird, plus the way european amd some asian countries handle socialized medicine has a “logan’s run” feel to it, after a certain age they will help with pain control but they won’t fix much because they’ve done a cost benefit analysis, it makes sense but doesn’t make me feel good.

The Lakers last minute loss and trying to solve the problems in society are just too much for me, I’m gonna have to drink and play golf all weekend, just to clear my head.

[temeculaguy]

5yes, I appreciate what you do, I am eternally grateful, my kids are a product of your work and they are already smarter than me. I also live where I do based in large part on the work you and your colleages do. As I mentioned before, attacking your compensation is off point, the focus should be on the benefactor of your labor. If you were overcompensated, then there would be a huge line to be a teacher, people only scrutinize when their industry is having a bad time, three years ago there wasn’t a peep. It’s a tortoise/hare career decision, some years it’s good to have steady work and in others it sucks that everyone else is making big bucks. If anyone wants to complain about someone’s compensation, then go be one. I laughed at the complaints about the prison guard salaries, fine, I’m sure they’ll hire you, knock yourself out. The most under paid job in the world is the guy who pumps the poop out of the porta potties and septic tanks, if that guy made more money than me, I’m fine with it, cause i don’t want to do that.

DWCAP, sorry I screwed with your head for two days.

Let’s look at making babies and education, but not at what teachers make. Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. I still don’t have the answer, I’ve tried to think up a bifurcated education and health care system, where you get services based on how much you have paid in taxes, but I get lost in the design and the result, it feels unamerican to create a caste system.

I still keep going back to controlling procreation through regulation, I keep going back to the water supply birth control thing, having tests for prospective parents and a qualification system like qualifying for a mortgage, you can’t buy three houses because you can’t afford it so you can’t have three kids until you can afford it, because the rest of us are sick of paying the freight, but then it feels all science fictiony and weird, plus the way european amd some asian countries handle socialized medicine has a “logan’s run” feel to it, after a certain age they will help with pain control but they won’t fix much because they’ve done a cost benefit analysis, it makes sense but doesn’t make me feel good.

The Lakers last minute loss and trying to solve the problems in society are just too much for me, I’m gonna have to drink and play golf all weekend, just to clear my head.

[temeculaguy]

5yes, I appreciate what you do, I am eternally grateful, my kids are a product of your work and they are already smarter than me. I also live where I do based in large part on the work you and your colleages do. As I mentioned before, attacking your compensation is off point, the focus should be on the benefactor of your labor. If you were overcompensated, then there would be a huge line to be a teacher, people only scrutinize when their industry is having a bad time, three years ago there wasn’t a peep. It’s a tortoise/hare career decision, some years it’s good to have steady work and in others it sucks that everyone else is making big bucks. If anyone wants to complain about someone’s compensation, then go be one. I laughed at the complaints about the prison guard salaries, fine, I’m sure they’ll hire you, knock yourself out. The most under paid job in the world is the guy who pumps the poop out of the porta potties and septic tanks, if that guy made more money than me, I’m fine with it, cause i don’t want to do that.

DWCAP, sorry I screwed with your head for two days.

Let’s look at making babies and education, but not at what teachers make. Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. I still don’t have the answer, I’ve tried to think up a bifurcated education and health care system, where you get services based on how much you have paid in taxes, but I get lost in the design and the result, it feels unamerican to create a caste system.

I still keep going back to controlling procreation through regulation, I keep going back to the water supply birth control thing, having tests for prospective parents and a qualification system like qualifying for a mortgage, you can’t buy three houses because you can’t afford it so you can’t have three kids until you can afford it, because the rest of us are sick of paying the freight, but then it feels all science fictiony and weird, plus the way european amd some asian countries handle socialized medicine has a “logan’s run” feel to it, after a certain age they will help with pain control but they won’t fix much because they’ve done a cost benefit analysis, it makes sense but doesn’t make me feel good.

The Lakers last minute loss and trying to solve the problems in society are just too much for me, I’m gonna have to drink and play golf all weekend, just to clear my head.

[temeculaguy]

5yes, I appreciate what you do, I am eternally grateful, my kids are a product of your work and they are already smarter than me. I also live where I do based in large part on the work you and your colleages do. As I mentioned before, attacking your compensation is off point, the focus should be on the benefactor of your labor. If you were overcompensated, then there would be a huge line to be a teacher, people only scrutinize when their industry is having a bad time, three years ago there wasn’t a peep. It’s a tortoise/hare career decision, some years it’s good to have steady work and in others it sucks that everyone else is making big bucks. If anyone wants to complain about someone’s compensation, then go be one. I laughed at the complaints about the prison guard salaries, fine, I’m sure they’ll hire you, knock yourself out. The most under paid job in the world is the guy who pumps the poop out of the porta potties and septic tanks, if that guy made more money than me, I’m fine with it, cause i don’t want to do that.

DWCAP, sorry I screwed with your head for two days.

Let’s look at making babies and education, but not at what teachers make. Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. I still don’t have the answer, I’ve tried to think up a bifurcated education and health care system, where you get services based on how much you have paid in taxes, but I get lost in the design and the result, it feels unamerican to create a caste system.

I still keep going back to controlling procreation through regulation, I keep going back to the water supply birth control thing, having tests for prospective parents and a qualification system like qualifying for a mortgage, you can’t buy three houses because you can’t afford it so you can’t have three kids until you can afford it, because the rest of us are sick of paying the freight, but then it feels all science fictiony and weird, plus the way european amd some asian countries handle socialized medicine has a “logan’s run” feel to it, after a certain age they will help with pain control but they won’t fix much because they’ve done a cost benefit analysis, it makes sense but doesn’t make me feel good.

The Lakers last minute loss and trying to solve the problems in society are just too much for me, I’m gonna have to drink and play golf all weekend, just to clear my head.

[temeculaguy]

5yes, I appreciate what you do, I am eternally grateful, my kids are a product of your work and they are already smarter than me. I also live where I do based in large part on the work you and your colleages do. As I mentioned before, attacking your compensation is off point, the focus should be on the benefactor of your labor. If you were overcompensated, then there would be a huge line to be a teacher, people only scrutinize when their industry is having a bad time, three years ago there wasn’t a peep. It’s a tortoise/hare career decision, some years it’s good to have steady work and in others it sucks that everyone else is making big bucks. If anyone wants to complain about someone’s compensation, then go be one. I laughed at the complaints about the prison guard salaries, fine, I’m sure they’ll hire you, knock yourself out. The most under paid job in the world is the guy who pumps the poop out of the porta potties and septic tanks, if that guy made more money than me, I’m fine with it, cause i don’t want to do that.

DWCAP, sorry I screwed with your head for two days.

Let’s look at making babies and education, but not at what teachers make. Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. I still don’t have the answer, I’ve tried to think up a bifurcated education and health care system, where you get services based on how much you have paid in taxes, but I get lost in the design and the result, it feels unamerican to create a caste system.

I still keep going back to controlling procreation through regulation, I keep going back to the water supply birth control thing, having tests for prospective parents and a qualification system like qualifying for a mortgage, you can’t buy three houses because you can’t afford it so you can’t have three kids until you can afford it, because the rest of us are sick of paying the freight, but then it feels all science fictiony and weird, plus the way european amd some asian countries handle socialized medicine has a “logan’s run” feel to it, after a certain age they will help with pain control but they won’t fix much because they’ve done a cost benefit analysis, it makes sense but doesn’t make me feel good.

The Lakers last minute loss and trying to solve the problems in society are just too much for me, I’m gonna have to drink and play golf all weekend, just to clear my head.

[Eugene]

[quote]Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. [/quote]

Because kids are not waste and not a net loss for the society. A society without kids is doomed. They will be the ones working and moving the society forward when you’re old. Look at Japanese and how screwed they are with their long lifespans and low birth rates. They are considering raising the official retirement age to 75 or so, because there aren’t not enough working age people today and there will be even fewer in a few decades – current projections are that, by 2050, 50% of Japanese population will be over 55.

And while it’s fashionable to hate Hispanics and illegals for their contributions to overpopulating our schools, the fact is that whites are not pulling their weight.

It is true that our incentive system is a bit misaligned – double income middle-class and upper-middle-class people should be encouraged to have more children. Free K-12 is fine, but we should go further than that … We need free full-day preschools, free extended hour K-12, all paid with taxpayer money. That will help dig us out of the demographic hole.

[Eugene]

[quote]Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. [/quote]

Because kids are not waste and not a net loss for the society. A society without kids is doomed. They will be the ones working and moving the society forward when you’re old. Look at Japanese and how screwed they are with their long lifespans and low birth rates. They are considering raising the official retirement age to 75 or so, because there aren’t not enough working age people today and there will be even fewer in a few decades – current projections are that, by 2050, 50% of Japanese population will be over 55.

And while it’s fashionable to hate Hispanics and illegals for their contributions to overpopulating our schools, the fact is that whites are not pulling their weight.

It is true that our incentive system is a bit misaligned – double income middle-class and upper-middle-class people should be encouraged to have more children. Free K-12 is fine, but we should go further than that … We need free full-day preschools, free extended hour K-12, all paid with taxpayer money. That will help dig us out of the demographic hole.

[Eugene]

[quote]Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. [/quote]

Because kids are not waste and not a net loss for the society. A society without kids is doomed. They will be the ones working and moving the society forward when you’re old. Look at Japanese and how screwed they are with their long lifespans and low birth rates. They are considering raising the official retirement age to 75 or so, because there aren’t not enough working age people today and there will be even fewer in a few decades – current projections are that, by 2050, 50% of Japanese population will be over 55.

And while it’s fashionable to hate Hispanics and illegals for their contributions to overpopulating our schools, the fact is that whites are not pulling their weight.

It is true that our incentive system is a bit misaligned – double income middle-class and upper-middle-class people should be encouraged to have more children. Free K-12 is fine, but we should go further than that … We need free full-day preschools, free extended hour K-12, all paid with taxpayer money. That will help dig us out of the demographic hole.

[Eugene]

[quote]Why is it that the more kids you have the more tax deductions you get (meaning the less you pay) and the more you cost the system. How does anyone not see that fundamental flaw and what other system works that way? If I order more food at a restaraunt than you, is my tab lower. If I drive a car that gets worse milege, do I pay less per gallon, If i use more electricity than you, should my rate per kw be lower. But if I stick more kids in school than you, I get money back, why is there an incentive to to be inefficient and cause a net loss, shouldn’t it be the opposite. [/quote]

Because kids are not waste and not a net loss for the society. A society without kids is doomed. They will be the ones working and moving the society forward when you’re old. Look at Japanese and how screwed they are with their long lifespans and low birth rates. They are considering raising the official retirement age to 75 or so, because there aren’t not enough working age people today and there will be even fewer in a few decades – current projections are that, by 2050, 50% of Japanese population will be over 55.

And while it’s fashionable to hate Hispanics and illegals for their contributions to overpopulating our schools, the fact is that whites are not pulling their weight.

It is true that our incentive system is a bit misaligned – double income middle-class and upper-middle-class people should be encouraged to have more children. Free K-12 is fine, but we should go further than that … We need free full-day preschools, free extended hour K-12, all paid with taxpayer money. That will help dig us out of the demographic hole.

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