Non-salary CA budget cuts

[peterb]

It saddens me to have to agree with you. I guess that’s my age talking.

[equalizer]

Just because salaries are small part doesn’t mean we should ignore it. Legislators cut a 17% pay cut and they didn’t quit. If you hit some sectors with 10% pay cut, how many would quit in this economy?

Salaries across the board are very high in CA, esp prison guards and teachers.

I’ll start with prison guard rates, someone else can trace teachers.

Bakersfield, CA Prison guard avg – $67K,
Orlando, FL Prison guard avg – $38K,

http://www.job-hunt.org/careers/prison-guards.shtml

Comparison of CA and FL prisons:

CA:
* It costs an average of about $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California.
* Over two-thirds of these costs are for security and inmate health care.
* Since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500. This includes an increase of $8,300 for inmate health care and $7,100 for security.
More than 5,000 guards in CA make more than 100K with overtime (unsourced).

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

Florida:

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

In Fiscal Year 2005-06, it cost $19,002 a year or $52.06 a day to feed,

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faq.html

[equalizer]

Just because salaries are small part doesn’t mean we should ignore it. Legislators cut a 17% pay cut and they didn’t quit. If you hit some sectors with 10% pay cut, how many would quit in this economy?

Salaries across the board are very high in CA, esp prison guards and teachers.

I’ll start with prison guard rates, someone else can trace teachers.

Bakersfield, CA Prison guard avg – $67K,
Orlando, FL Prison guard avg – $38K,

http://www.job-hunt.org/careers/prison-guards.shtml

Comparison of CA and FL prisons:

CA:
* It costs an average of about $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California.
* Over two-thirds of these costs are for security and inmate health care.
* Since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500. This includes an increase of $8,300 for inmate health care and $7,100 for security.
More than 5,000 guards in CA make more than 100K with overtime (unsourced).

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

Florida:

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

In Fiscal Year 2005-06, it cost $19,002 a year or $52.06 a day to feed,

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faq.html

[equalizer]

Just because salaries are small part doesn’t mean we should ignore it. Legislators cut a 17% pay cut and they didn’t quit. If you hit some sectors with 10% pay cut, how many would quit in this economy?

Salaries across the board are very high in CA, esp prison guards and teachers.

I’ll start with prison guard rates, someone else can trace teachers.

Bakersfield, CA Prison guard avg – $67K,
Orlando, FL Prison guard avg – $38K,

http://www.job-hunt.org/careers/prison-guards.shtml

Comparison of CA and FL prisons:

CA:
* It costs an average of about $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California.
* Over two-thirds of these costs are for security and inmate health care.
* Since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500. This includes an increase of $8,300 for inmate health care and $7,100 for security.
More than 5,000 guards in CA make more than 100K with overtime (unsourced).

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

Florida:

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

In Fiscal Year 2005-06, it cost $19,002 a year or $52.06 a day to feed,

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faq.html

[equalizer]

Just because salaries are small part doesn’t mean we should ignore it. Legislators cut a 17% pay cut and they didn’t quit. If you hit some sectors with 10% pay cut, how many would quit in this economy?

Salaries across the board are very high in CA, esp prison guards and teachers.

I’ll start with prison guard rates, someone else can trace teachers.

Bakersfield, CA Prison guard avg – $67K,
Orlando, FL Prison guard avg – $38K,

http://www.job-hunt.org/careers/prison-guards.shtml

Comparison of CA and FL prisons:

CA:
* It costs an average of about $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California.
* Over two-thirds of these costs are for security and inmate health care.
* Since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500. This includes an increase of $8,300 for inmate health care and $7,100 for security.
More than 5,000 guards in CA make more than 100K with overtime (unsourced).

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

Florida:

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

In Fiscal Year 2005-06, it cost $19,002 a year or $52.06 a day to feed,

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faq.html

[equalizer]

Just because salaries are small part doesn’t mean we should ignore it. Legislators cut a 17% pay cut and they didn’t quit. If you hit some sectors with 10% pay cut, how many would quit in this economy?

Salaries across the board are very high in CA, esp prison guards and teachers.

I’ll start with prison guard rates, someone else can trace teachers.

Bakersfield, CA Prison guard avg – $67K,
Orlando, FL Prison guard avg – $38K,

http://www.job-hunt.org/careers/prison-guards.shtml

Comparison of CA and FL prisons:

CA:
* It costs an average of about $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California.
* Over two-thirds of these costs are for security and inmate health care.
* Since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500. This includes an increase of $8,300 for inmate health care and $7,100 for security.
More than 5,000 guards in CA make more than 100K with overtime (unsourced).

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

Florida:

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

In Fiscal Year 2005-06, it cost $19,002 a year or $52.06 a day to feed,

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faq.html

[paramount]

There seems to be consensus in this thread that among other problems, the Democratic Union Machine got way out of control.

For example: Bernard Parks (remember him, LAPD Chief) gets a $265,000/year pension for the rest of his life.

Once upon a time if you worked for the gov’t you might expect good benefits, but your wages typically did not compare to the private sector.

Now gov’t workers not only get benefits and pensions that would shock those in the private sector, they also get GREAT salaries.

We don’t need to cut the number of state/local gov’t workers, we just need to bring their salaries and benefits back to earth where the rest of us live.

[paramount]

There seems to be consensus in this thread that among other problems, the Democratic Union Machine got way out of control.

For example: Bernard Parks (remember him, LAPD Chief) gets a $265,000/year pension for the rest of his life.

Once upon a time if you worked for the gov’t you might expect good benefits, but your wages typically did not compare to the private sector.

Now gov’t workers not only get benefits and pensions that would shock those in the private sector, they also get GREAT salaries.

We don’t need to cut the number of state/local gov’t workers, we just need to bring their salaries and benefits back to earth where the rest of us live.

[paramount]

There seems to be consensus in this thread that among other problems, the Democratic Union Machine got way out of control.

For example: Bernard Parks (remember him, LAPD Chief) gets a $265,000/year pension for the rest of his life.

Once upon a time if you worked for the gov’t you might expect good benefits, but your wages typically did not compare to the private sector.

Now gov’t workers not only get benefits and pensions that would shock those in the private sector, they also get GREAT salaries.

We don’t need to cut the number of state/local gov’t workers, we just need to bring their salaries and benefits back to earth where the rest of us live.

[paramount]

There seems to be consensus in this thread that among other problems, the Democratic Union Machine got way out of control.

For example: Bernard Parks (remember him, LAPD Chief) gets a $265,000/year pension for the rest of his life.

Once upon a time if you worked for the gov’t you might expect good benefits, but your wages typically did not compare to the private sector.

Now gov’t workers not only get benefits and pensions that would shock those in the private sector, they also get GREAT salaries.

We don’t need to cut the number of state/local gov’t workers, we just need to bring their salaries and benefits back to earth where the rest of us live.

[paramount]

There seems to be consensus in this thread that among other problems, the Democratic Union Machine got way out of control.

For example: Bernard Parks (remember him, LAPD Chief) gets a $265,000/year pension for the rest of his life.

Once upon a time if you worked for the gov’t you might expect good benefits, but your wages typically did not compare to the private sector.

Now gov’t workers not only get benefits and pensions that would shock those in the private sector, they also get GREAT salaries.

We don’t need to cut the number of state/local gov’t workers, we just need to bring their salaries and benefits back to earth where the rest of us live.

[Eugene]

Teachers are not extremely well paid here – worse than in the Northeast (NY, CT), for example.

Sample CA K-12 teacher salary schedule:

http://www.powayusd.com/Employment/certificated/salarySchedule.shtml

Boston

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/files/ST1_SalPlan.pdf

Seattle

http://www.seattleschools.org/area/hr/sal/cert.pdf

An interesting find on prisons. One part of the problem is that prison healthcare has been under federal receivership since 2005, it’s basically ran by a court-appointed outsider who’s been trying to “fix” prison healthcare by throwing lots of money at it. Sacramento is trying to retake control over the system, but so far they have not been very successful.

[Eugene]

Teachers are not extremely well paid here – worse than in the Northeast (NY, CT), for example.

Sample CA K-12 teacher salary schedule:

http://www.powayusd.com/Employment/certificated/salarySchedule.shtml

Boston

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/files/ST1_SalPlan.pdf

Seattle

http://www.seattleschools.org/area/hr/sal/cert.pdf

An interesting find on prisons. One part of the problem is that prison healthcare has been under federal receivership since 2005, it’s basically ran by a court-appointed outsider who’s been trying to “fix” prison healthcare by throwing lots of money at it. Sacramento is trying to retake control over the system, but so far they have not been very successful.

[Eugene]

Teachers are not extremely well paid here – worse than in the Northeast (NY, CT), for example.

Sample CA K-12 teacher salary schedule:

http://www.powayusd.com/Employment/certificated/salarySchedule.shtml

Boston

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/files/ST1_SalPlan.pdf

Seattle

http://www.seattleschools.org/area/hr/sal/cert.pdf

An interesting find on prisons. One part of the problem is that prison healthcare has been under federal receivership since 2005, it’s basically ran by a court-appointed outsider who’s been trying to “fix” prison healthcare by throwing lots of money at it. Sacramento is trying to retake control over the system, but so far they have not been very successful.

[Eugene]

Teachers are not extremely well paid here – worse than in the Northeast (NY, CT), for example.

Sample CA K-12 teacher salary schedule:

http://www.powayusd.com/Employment/certificated/salarySchedule.shtml

Boston

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/files/ST1_SalPlan.pdf

Seattle

http://www.seattleschools.org/area/hr/sal/cert.pdf

An interesting find on prisons. One part of the problem is that prison healthcare has been under federal receivership since 2005, it’s basically ran by a court-appointed outsider who’s been trying to “fix” prison healthcare by throwing lots of money at it. Sacramento is trying to retake control over the system, but so far they have not been very successful.

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