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December 12, 2008 at 4:17 PM #315450December 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM #315301HLSParticipant
RAY,,
Any newspaper article that quotes averages or medians is only good for crumbling up to start a fire, even if it’s from the WSJ.
I don’t care what the average price of milk or gas is, I care about what it’s going to cost ME.
Same thing for mortgage rates.Misleading information for the masses. Even you proved that you don’t know that it takes a 740+ score to get the best rate with 20% down. (720 costs more) and you are a savvy guy.
Ask 9 other people what mortgage rates are and they will be further off than you were.
Quoting median/average house prices OR mortgage rates is completly useless information, yet as you have proved, it’s repeated like it actually means something. Even from the WSJ.
I wont insult you wanting to compare my credibility to an article quoting averages. JMTC.
HLS
December 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM #315655HLSParticipantRAY,,
Any newspaper article that quotes averages or medians is only good for crumbling up to start a fire, even if it’s from the WSJ.
I don’t care what the average price of milk or gas is, I care about what it’s going to cost ME.
Same thing for mortgage rates.Misleading information for the masses. Even you proved that you don’t know that it takes a 740+ score to get the best rate with 20% down. (720 costs more) and you are a savvy guy.
Ask 9 other people what mortgage rates are and they will be further off than you were.
Quoting median/average house prices OR mortgage rates is completly useless information, yet as you have proved, it’s repeated like it actually means something. Even from the WSJ.
I wont insult you wanting to compare my credibility to an article quoting averages. JMTC.
HLS
December 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM #315691HLSParticipantRAY,,
Any newspaper article that quotes averages or medians is only good for crumbling up to start a fire, even if it’s from the WSJ.
I don’t care what the average price of milk or gas is, I care about what it’s going to cost ME.
Same thing for mortgage rates.Misleading information for the masses. Even you proved that you don’t know that it takes a 740+ score to get the best rate with 20% down. (720 costs more) and you are a savvy guy.
Ask 9 other people what mortgage rates are and they will be further off than you were.
Quoting median/average house prices OR mortgage rates is completly useless information, yet as you have proved, it’s repeated like it actually means something. Even from the WSJ.
I wont insult you wanting to compare my credibility to an article quoting averages. JMTC.
HLS
December 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM #315714HLSParticipantRAY,,
Any newspaper article that quotes averages or medians is only good for crumbling up to start a fire, even if it’s from the WSJ.
I don’t care what the average price of milk or gas is, I care about what it’s going to cost ME.
Same thing for mortgage rates.Misleading information for the masses. Even you proved that you don’t know that it takes a 740+ score to get the best rate with 20% down. (720 costs more) and you are a savvy guy.
Ask 9 other people what mortgage rates are and they will be further off than you were.
Quoting median/average house prices OR mortgage rates is completly useless information, yet as you have proved, it’s repeated like it actually means something. Even from the WSJ.
I wont insult you wanting to compare my credibility to an article quoting averages. JMTC.
HLS
December 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM #315785HLSParticipantRAY,,
Any newspaper article that quotes averages or medians is only good for crumbling up to start a fire, even if it’s from the WSJ.
I don’t care what the average price of milk or gas is, I care about what it’s going to cost ME.
Same thing for mortgage rates.Misleading information for the masses. Even you proved that you don’t know that it takes a 740+ score to get the best rate with 20% down. (720 costs more) and you are a savvy guy.
Ask 9 other people what mortgage rates are and they will be further off than you were.
Quoting median/average house prices OR mortgage rates is completly useless information, yet as you have proved, it’s repeated like it actually means something. Even from the WSJ.
I wont insult you wanting to compare my credibility to an article quoting averages. JMTC.
HLS
December 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM #315336RaybyrnesParticipantStandard Deviations still have to begin with some point. We need to accept some sort of starting point for a conversation Even your example of a 740 credit score could be questioned. Is that Experian, Equifax, or Transunion or are you using a merged credit score? Do you need to qualify that statement?
December 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM #315690RaybyrnesParticipantStandard Deviations still have to begin with some point. We need to accept some sort of starting point for a conversation Even your example of a 740 credit score could be questioned. Is that Experian, Equifax, or Transunion or are you using a merged credit score? Do you need to qualify that statement?
December 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM #315725RaybyrnesParticipantStandard Deviations still have to begin with some point. We need to accept some sort of starting point for a conversation Even your example of a 740 credit score could be questioned. Is that Experian, Equifax, or Transunion or are you using a merged credit score? Do you need to qualify that statement?
December 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM #315749RaybyrnesParticipantStandard Deviations still have to begin with some point. We need to accept some sort of starting point for a conversation Even your example of a 740 credit score could be questioned. Is that Experian, Equifax, or Transunion or are you using a merged credit score? Do you need to qualify that statement?
December 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM #315821RaybyrnesParticipantStandard Deviations still have to begin with some point. We need to accept some sort of starting point for a conversation Even your example of a 740 credit score could be questioned. Is that Experian, Equifax, or Transunion or are you using a merged credit score? Do you need to qualify that statement?
December 14, 2008 at 12:00 PM #315360HLSParticipantRay,
Standard guidelines that FNMA uses..
Middle score of the 3 bureaus.The highest and lowest scores do not matter.
These are MORTGAGE score pulls, not what a consumer score pulls by paying for their score on the internet, falling for more misleading propaganda that was probably printed in the WSJ.
I have access to 3 different scores from one of the credit bureaus, as well as scores from the other 2 bureaus. I can assure you that most others dont have this access.
It can make a difference of tens of thousands of dollars over the life of a loan.
From the bureau that allows me 3 different scores, I have seen spreads of 50 points. I can choose the highest of the 3 for that bureau, allowing me to get someone the best rate possible forn their situation.
These are FNMA actual guidelines, not average guidelines. ,HLS
December 14, 2008 at 12:00 PM #315715HLSParticipantRay,
Standard guidelines that FNMA uses..
Middle score of the 3 bureaus.The highest and lowest scores do not matter.
These are MORTGAGE score pulls, not what a consumer score pulls by paying for their score on the internet, falling for more misleading propaganda that was probably printed in the WSJ.
I have access to 3 different scores from one of the credit bureaus, as well as scores from the other 2 bureaus. I can assure you that most others dont have this access.
It can make a difference of tens of thousands of dollars over the life of a loan.
From the bureau that allows me 3 different scores, I have seen spreads of 50 points. I can choose the highest of the 3 for that bureau, allowing me to get someone the best rate possible forn their situation.
These are FNMA actual guidelines, not average guidelines. ,HLS
December 14, 2008 at 12:00 PM #315750HLSParticipantRay,
Standard guidelines that FNMA uses..
Middle score of the 3 bureaus.The highest and lowest scores do not matter.
These are MORTGAGE score pulls, not what a consumer score pulls by paying for their score on the internet, falling for more misleading propaganda that was probably printed in the WSJ.
I have access to 3 different scores from one of the credit bureaus, as well as scores from the other 2 bureaus. I can assure you that most others dont have this access.
It can make a difference of tens of thousands of dollars over the life of a loan.
From the bureau that allows me 3 different scores, I have seen spreads of 50 points. I can choose the highest of the 3 for that bureau, allowing me to get someone the best rate possible forn their situation.
These are FNMA actual guidelines, not average guidelines. ,HLS
December 14, 2008 at 12:00 PM #315774HLSParticipantRay,
Standard guidelines that FNMA uses..
Middle score of the 3 bureaus.The highest and lowest scores do not matter.
These are MORTGAGE score pulls, not what a consumer score pulls by paying for their score on the internet, falling for more misleading propaganda that was probably printed in the WSJ.
I have access to 3 different scores from one of the credit bureaus, as well as scores from the other 2 bureaus. I can assure you that most others dont have this access.
It can make a difference of tens of thousands of dollars over the life of a loan.
From the bureau that allows me 3 different scores, I have seen spreads of 50 points. I can choose the highest of the 3 for that bureau, allowing me to get someone the best rate possible forn their situation.
These are FNMA actual guidelines, not average guidelines. ,HLS
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