More on the Temecula/Murrieta mass flop

[novice1027]

I am certainly not here to cast judgement on anyone, but I absolutely can’t imagine ever risking my house/shelter/security to try to get rich quick.
Back in 2004-05 we had a “friend” a real estate person who tried to convence my husband and me that we should take equity from our home and parlay it into 5 or 6 other houses. We about fell off of the couch laughing, and he couln’t get over how “financially conservative” we were. He assurd us we were missing out. In fact he did dip into his home equity and buy 5 more houses, we didn’t and here we sit in our 1 and only 22 year old sfr, and a mortgage I could make working at Baskin’ Robbins.
I often wonder how much sleep he gets at night? I bet not as much as we do, lol.

[Anonymous]

Hey, davelj, go pound sand on the ‘His will’ comments.

Feel free to be a non-believer; feel free not to be a jerk with those of us who are believers.

Bad things happen to good people every day, Christians and Jews included. It is a mystery. But, many of us find meaning in our hardships. And, such hardships often lead to good changes in our lives.

When I see a Down’s syndrome child or adult, it warms my heart, as I see an unconditionally loving person, a person who brings true joy to those around them. That’s what I’ve learned from a good friend who has a Down’s syndrome child.

Some hardships have a blessing wrapped up in them. Maybe it’s a sign from the Good Lord; maybe it’s just a coincidence. Who knows. But, such hardships clearly make us value ‘good’ when we get it again.

[Anonymous]

Hey, davelj, go pound sand on the ‘His will’ comments.

Feel free to be a non-believer; feel free not to be a jerk with those of us who are believers.

Bad things happen to good people every day, Christians and Jews included. It is a mystery. But, many of us find meaning in our hardships. And, such hardships often lead to good changes in our lives.

When I see a Down’s syndrome child or adult, it warms my heart, as I see an unconditionally loving person, a person who brings true joy to those around them. That’s what I’ve learned from a good friend who has a Down’s syndrome child.

Some hardships have a blessing wrapped up in them. Maybe it’s a sign from the Good Lord; maybe it’s just a coincidence. Who knows. But, such hardships clearly make us value ‘good’ when we get it again.

[drunkle]

jg is right. god wants you to be poor so that you can get in to heaven. loosing your venom on us is unattractive in his eyes. he’s doing you a favor, don’t blow it.

[drunkle]

jg is right. god wants you to be poor so that you can get in to heaven. loosing your venom on us is unattractive in his eyes. he’s doing you a favor, don’t blow it.

[davelj]

So, jg, “Some hardships have a blessing wrapped up in them.” Perhaps. Is that how you view the fact that tens of millions of people – a majority of whom are truly “innocent” children – starve each year on our planet? Does that “warm your heart” as well? Do such hardships “lead to good changes in [their] lives” [or I guess “deaths” is more appropriate]? I’m sure these people find a great deal of meaning in their hardships… yes, I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure the millions living (and dying) under the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe are ecstatic about their fate – perhaps a “sign from the Good Lord”?

If you’re really a “true believer” then why don’t you go to a third world country and actually help someone instead of spending your time on this message board? Isn’t saving someone’s soul and/or life more important than earthly pursuits like real estate, etc.?

As my father often said, “The problem with high ideals is that they are seldom easy to live by.”

Now, back to that sand pounding you interrupted…

[davelj]

So, jg, “Some hardships have a blessing wrapped up in them.” Perhaps. Is that how you view the fact that tens of millions of people – a majority of whom are truly “innocent” children – starve each year on our planet? Does that “warm your heart” as well? Do such hardships “lead to good changes in [their] lives” [or I guess “deaths” is more appropriate]? I’m sure these people find a great deal of meaning in their hardships… yes, I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure the millions living (and dying) under the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe are ecstatic about their fate – perhaps a “sign from the Good Lord”?

If you’re really a “true believer” then why don’t you go to a third world country and actually help someone instead of spending your time on this message board? Isn’t saving someone’s soul and/or life more important than earthly pursuits like real estate, etc.?

As my father often said, “The problem with high ideals is that they are seldom easy to live by.”

Now, back to that sand pounding you interrupted…

[bobby]

CbC, I still don’t get it, you signed paperworks to people who you barely know b/c they promised 300% returns?
I invest with Vanguard and I am happy with 10% and very happy with 15% return.
I get many phone calls from people who want to help me invest. They all promise 50-100% returns with no risk – all I have to do is send in my money to Florida or New York. They all promised me that I’m special so I get first chance to invest before it become widely known and flooded with other investors. Sounds like an used car salesman promising me 20% discount on a car because he “likes” me. I may be a fool not to invest in these investments but when Warren Buffet, possibly the best investor of our time, can not do 50% return, how can a nobody promise anything better?
we asked you a simple question on how you were conned. Instead of answering us, you become defensive and attack our character; in some posts, you even call us crooks. It doesn’t look like you want to win us over. Why do you even post here?

[bobby]

CbC, I still don’t get it, you signed paperworks to people who you barely know b/c they promised 300% returns?
I invest with Vanguard and I am happy with 10% and very happy with 15% return.
I get many phone calls from people who want to help me invest. They all promise 50-100% returns with no risk – all I have to do is send in my money to Florida or New York. They all promised me that I’m special so I get first chance to invest before it become widely known and flooded with other investors. Sounds like an used car salesman promising me 20% discount on a car because he “likes” me. I may be a fool not to invest in these investments but when Warren Buffet, possibly the best investor of our time, can not do 50% return, how can a nobody promise anything better?
we asked you a simple question on how you were conned. Instead of answering us, you become defensive and attack our character; in some posts, you even call us crooks. It doesn’t look like you want to win us over. Why do you even post here?

[temeculaguy]

Yes, back to the sand pounding. Politics sneaks inot the boards and it never goes well, religion will only polarize what has already been a very balanced and logical discussion thus far (see, sarcasm is always appropriate).
In the wardens words,”What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

Conned, you are interpreting the lack of sympathy as attacks. The communication you have with fellow investors won’t be nearly as beneficial, it will feel better, but it won’t help as much. Hidden in some of these posts was actually some sound advice about BK, proving you didn’t sign or there was doccument alteration after you signed and eventually you will regain your credit and probably your primary residence. You’ll never get any money from the crooks, just blood, they spent or hid your money but you may be able to salvage some of this. Every successful person has suffered some calamity along the way, even to a greater degree than yours, spend some of your time on revenge but not all of it, look for legal ways to get to the other side of this and do learn from you mistake. Most everyone on this board was begging you to just admit that you had some small amount of responsibility, that the prize blinded you a little but your not ready for that, you rested on the reason you wanted to get rich was to send your husband to seminary so because you felt the goal was noble, the desire was acceptable and can’t be called greed.

You are facing the first step of a twelve step program, you’ve hit bottom and just like anyone else that has hit bottom you have to take the first step, admit you made a mistake. I can see how you fell for it and how they gained your trust, playing on your faith and friendships, you won’t benefit until you see it. I still think there are others out there who weren’t defrauded and will still sustain financial ruin without fraud, just because they bought into the theory that real estate always goes up and there is no risk. We see that with people having their only home foreclosed on, we feel some pity and yet that is thwarted by our confusion as to how they could have entered into a contract they knew they couldn’t keep, taking on too much risk is exactly that, risk.

I am going to quote Lao Tzu, I know you will reject it on it’s face because he is considered a Taoist. Don’t fret, it was written long before Jesus was born, before the bible existed and is considered philisiphy and not religion by many, therefore he should get a free pass from blasphemy since there was no christian religion when he wrote this.

Chapter 19, from the Tao Te Ching
“Get rid of cleverness and abandon profit, and thieves and gangsters will not exist.”

I wish you well in your journey. Even Donald Trump went bankrupt.

[temeculaguy]

Yes, back to the sand pounding. Politics sneaks inot the boards and it never goes well, religion will only polarize what has already been a very balanced and logical discussion thus far (see, sarcasm is always appropriate).
In the wardens words,”What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

Conned, you are interpreting the lack of sympathy as attacks. The communication you have with fellow investors won’t be nearly as beneficial, it will feel better, but it won’t help as much. Hidden in some of these posts was actually some sound advice about BK, proving you didn’t sign or there was doccument alteration after you signed and eventually you will regain your credit and probably your primary residence. You’ll never get any money from the crooks, just blood, they spent or hid your money but you may be able to salvage some of this. Every successful person has suffered some calamity along the way, even to a greater degree than yours, spend some of your time on revenge but not all of it, look for legal ways to get to the other side of this and do learn from you mistake. Most everyone on this board was begging you to just admit that you had some small amount of responsibility, that the prize blinded you a little but your not ready for that, you rested on the reason you wanted to get rich was to send your husband to seminary so because you felt the goal was noble, the desire was acceptable and can’t be called greed.

You are facing the first step of a twelve step program, you’ve hit bottom and just like anyone else that has hit bottom you have to take the first step, admit you made a mistake. I can see how you fell for it and how they gained your trust, playing on your faith and friendships, you won’t benefit until you see it. I still think there are others out there who weren’t defrauded and will still sustain financial ruin without fraud, just because they bought into the theory that real estate always goes up and there is no risk. We see that with people having their only home foreclosed on, we feel some pity and yet that is thwarted by our confusion as to how they could have entered into a contract they knew they couldn’t keep, taking on too much risk is exactly that, risk.

I am going to quote Lao Tzu, I know you will reject it on it’s face because he is considered a Taoist. Don’t fret, it was written long before Jesus was born, before the bible existed and is considered philisiphy and not religion by many, therefore he should get a free pass from blasphemy since there was no christian religion when he wrote this.

Chapter 19, from the Tao Te Ching
“Get rid of cleverness and abandon profit, and thieves and gangsters will not exist.”

I wish you well in your journey. Even Donald Trump went bankrupt.

[Coronita]

You know it’s stories like this why I just refuse to turn everything over to a financial advisor.

My wife and I got into an argument over this one. We found a pretty good financial advisor, who obviously wants us to move everything into his firm. He was pretty upfront and said that his company gives him browny points for having more assets in his name. He wouldn’t charge us commision to move index funds from vanguard, and there wouldn’t be any trading costs,etc. He’s already managing about 25% of our assets. It just left me leary of leaving everything in one place.

That said, since I work with enterprise software and do a lot with security stuff I wouldn’t ever leave signed blank documents or unfilled out documents. And everything has to be in writing. Period. I’m so paranoid, I’ve even got my credit files locked up with credit freezes. The only probably is now I misplaced my pin numbers, and can’t unlock my credit files even if I needed them. Doh!

[Coronita]

You know it’s stories like this why I just refuse to turn everything over to a financial advisor.

My wife and I got into an argument over this one. We found a pretty good financial advisor, who obviously wants us to move everything into his firm. He was pretty upfront and said that his company gives him browny points for having more assets in his name. He wouldn’t charge us commision to move index funds from vanguard, and there wouldn’t be any trading costs,etc. He’s already managing about 25% of our assets. It just left me leary of leaving everything in one place.

That said, since I work with enterprise software and do a lot with security stuff I wouldn’t ever leave signed blank documents or unfilled out documents. And everything has to be in writing. Period. I’m so paranoid, I’ve even got my credit files locked up with credit freezes. The only probably is now I misplaced my pin numbers, and can’t unlock my credit files even if I needed them. Doh!

[PD]

Nice post Temeculaguy.

[PD]

Nice post Temeculaguy.

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