Money Supply – Exploding Inflation

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33]Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]

Fucking racist bigot. You should be banned for spewing that Nazi propaganda.[/quote]

No.
Hold up there.
Godwin orgasm way too fast, SK.

As a person related to a bunch of Jews and who is rather negative on Israel’s foreign and domestic habits, I don’t think that criticizing a country makes you a bigot.

However, complaining that Jews control the media is a bit too far.

And that does suggest you are a bigot.

Sorry if I lose the ability to find you credible, Markmax.

As if you needed to become less relevant to conversation here.

[Coronita]

[quote=markmax33]
Did you know that we give 8X the money to Israel’s enemies in foreign aid as we give Israel? We tell Israel how to negotiate her borders and tell her who she can bomb. How are we helping Israel? Are you even paying attention Flu? Your ideas are very extreme and don’t make much sense.

Lastly, why do we spend our blood and money to protect Israel with tax dollars? It’s not authorized in the constitution. What kind of sense does it make? What has Israel done for us? Why can’t the private citizens of the US donate to the homeland instead of taxing the rest of the population that doesn’t care about them? Are the 85% of Americans that don’t care about Israel anti-Semites because we don’t want to send foreign aid over there?[/quote]

You still haven’t answered my question. Why do we give all that aid for some many years, during the terms of so many Presidents from both parties? Do you really think a presidential candidate can just adopt a blanket “non-intervention” policy for a lot of international issues/relationships?

[markmax33]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33]Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]

Fucking racist bigot. You should be banned for spewing that Nazi propaganda.[/quote]

No wonder you have been demonizing Ron Paul. You have been brainwashed. I knew something was wrong with you. How is anything I said racist? I wasn’t even the one who suggested Ron Paul got no attention because in the media because the Jews dislike him, somebody else did and you attacked me? You have no debate skills and no credibility now. No wonder you are so quick to want to violate the constitution at any means possible.

[markmax33]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33]Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]

Fucking racist bigot. You should be banned for spewing that Nazi propaganda.[/quote]

No.
Hold up there.
Godwin orgasm way too fast, SK.

As a person related to a bunch of Jews and who is rather negative on Israel’s foreign and domestic habits, I don’t think that criticizing a country makes you a bigot.

However, complaining that Jews control the media is a bit too far.

And that does suggest you are a bigot.

Sorry if I lose the ability to find you credible, Markmax.

As if you needed to become less relevant to conversation here.[/quote]

Arraya – “Though, Israel is probably the reason RP gets no airtime.”

I wasn’t even the one who suggest it first! Why don’t you attack the guy who pointed out the obvious? You chose to attack the Ron Paul guy who merely agreed with the idea? That is so anti-american it’s ridiculous.

[markmax33]

[quote=flu][quote=markmax33]
Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]

WTF? I thought the principle of what this country was built on was anyone could own any business…And I hope you’re not suggesting the Government does something about this, because that would be soooooo anti-Ron Paul principle.

But my point was, didn’t they teach you in your MBA program why there are so many different lobbying groups in Washington for? Why do you think ATT, Google, Intel, etc have lobbying groups? Why is there an lobbying group for Israel, why are there lobbying groups for Oil companies, tobacco companies, and why there is a lobbying group for Saudia Arabia? How is Ron Paul going to address all these? Just say no? Yeah, that’s going to get him elected….

Ron Paul can’t be a one man team. His foreign policy is going to make him unpopular among many many special interest groups, and that will doom him.[/quote]

Ron Paul is fine with lobbyists, he just refuses to take their money and take their influence. His foreign policy happens to make 100% complete sense and it actually would help protect the Israelis but they don’t even listen to him. I find it comical that they slander him in the media and use their financial control against him when he has a viable idea. They are brainwashed and it is sad.

[Anonymous]

I generally don’t agree with banning people – every one has a right to speak, even if they say ignorant things.

I suggest it’s time we all just ignore the loser (yup, I called him a name!) If we all do it, the problem may go away.

Also, let’s resist the urge to start a general debate about Israeli history. Not gonna resolve that one here.

And it wouldn’t be appropriate to argue this issue at a time close to Hanukkah, which is kinda like Christmas for the Israelis, right? 😉

[SK in CV]

[quote=Arraya][quote=SK in CV][quote=Arraya]We don’t tell Israel anything about her borders – they have been breaking international law and expanding since inception, with every president since Ford(and all world leaders) asking them to stop. [/quote]

I really want to take this off topic, but you’ve bought into a narrative that isn’t quite consistent with facts. Israel’s borders haven’t changed for over 60 years since it declared it’s independence after it accepted a UN partition plan which was rejected by every surrounding political body and war on Israel was declared by each of them.[/quote]

They’ve been expanding settlements since the 70s. [img_assist|nid=14216|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=376|height=250]

The UN partition plan was not a good deal for the indigenous.[/quote]

I don’t know where those maps came from, but in 1946 the Palestinians had no land. From 1949 until 1967, there were no changes. And yet, they had no country. They still don’t. Over 70% of the inhabited land that would have been Israel under the UN partition plan was not owned or inhabited by Palestinians. So they couldn’t possibly have lost it. And the final map is totally bogus. None of the land outside the green line is within Israeli borders. (And you did say borders.) Settlements are a whole different story. You’ll get no argument from me on the settlements. The worst idea ever.

[SK in CV]

[quote=KSMountain]
Am I missing some way that that is not a change of borders?[/quote]

It was somehow different when what now is being claimed as Palestinian land was controlled by Egypt or Jordan? Egypt didn’t want Gaza back. It was offered to them when they got Sinai back. Jordan wasn’t all that excited about getting the West Bank back either. (Remember, they expelled Palestinians and withdrew citizenship for 10’s fo thousands.) The borders of Israel haven’t changed. Those territories are occupied pending a peace settlement. It hasn’t been annexed.

[SK in CV]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33]Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]

Fucking racist bigot. You should be banned for spewing that Nazi propaganda.[/quote]

No.
Hold up there.
Godwin orgasm way too fast, SK.

As a person related to a bunch of Jews and who is rather negative on Israel’s foreign and domestic habits, I don’t think that criticizing a country makes you a bigot.

However, complaining that Jews control the media is a bit too far.

And that does suggest you are a bigot.

Sorry if I lose the ability to find you credible, Markmax.

As if you needed to become less relevant to conversation here.[/quote]

Too fast? Really? Jew’s control the media isn’t just Godwin foreplay. It’s pants down, member in mouth. The orgasm was warranted.

[SK in CV]

[quote=markmax33][quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33]Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]

Fucking racist bigot. You should be banned for spewing that Nazi propaganda.[/quote]

No wonder you have been demonizing Ron Paul. You have been brainwashed. I knew something was wrong with you. How is anything I said racist? I wasn’t even the one who suggested Ron Paul got no attention because in the media because the Jews dislike him, somebody else did and you attacked me? You have no debate skills and no credibility now. No wonder you are so quick to want to violate the constitution at any means possible.[/quote]

I’ll spell it out for you asshole. “Jews control the media” and “Jews are anti-American” are anti-semitic narratives. Only slight variations of what Hitler used 80 years ago. It was the beginning of the end of 1/2 the Jews in the world. Drawn almost directly from “The Elders of the Protocol of Zion”, which forged the roadmap that the Nazis used. That you don’t see it reflects much more on your idiocy than my lack of debating skills.

[SK in CV]

[quote=pri_dk]I generally don’t agree with banning people – every one has a right to speak, even if they say ignorant things.

I suggest it’s time we all just ignore the loser (yup, I called him a name!) If we all do it, the problem may go away.

Also, let’s resist the urge to start a general debate about Israeli history. Not gonna resolve that one here.

And it wouldn’t be appropriate to argue this issue at a time close to Hanukkah, which is kinda like Christmas for the Israelis, right? ;-)[/quote]

Hanukkah is nothing like Christmas. But point taken. Kind of. Certainly on the Israli history part. Banning wouldn’t be my call anyway. But when Nazi narratives are thrown about as if they’re acceptable, I draw the line. Doesn’t mean I can remain silent.

[Anonymous]

[quote=SK in CV]Hanukkah is nothing like Christmas. [/quote]

Understood. I was being silly.

You do see the dilemma in your “Nazi narratives” claim, though?

Is it possible to speak critically of pro-Israel lobbyists without invoking Naziism?

I once worked at a financial firm in Beverly Hills. Most of the other offices in the building were businesses in the film/TV/entertainment industry (law firms, talent agencies, etc.) There were about a hundred firms in our building, and almost every one of them had a Mezuzah on the door (including ours.)

Let’s not kid ourselves. There is a disproportionate number of Jews who have power over what we see in movies, television, etc. Not because of any sinister design, but simply because of history. And most folks in the entertainment business – regardless of their religion – probably don’t have any agenda except to make money like everyone else. However, in the aggregate, there probably is some cultural bias.

In other words, I don’t think anybody “controls” the media. But I do think it is likely that some organizations and cultural groups have more influence than others.

Millions of non-Jews died in the Holocaust alongside the Jews. And yet the standard description of the Holocaust is “6 million Jews.” We don’t often hear the story of the other groups, simply because they don’t have the means to tell their story as well as the Jewish community does. Again, I don’t see this as evidence of any ethical issue, it’s just a reality of the situation.

I don’t believe that Jews “control” anything in America. But it would be dishonest to ignore the fact that Israel is unique when it comes to US foreign policy. Like any political topic, anyone should be free to have an opinion on this issue. And they should be free to put forward positions that others may not like.

Ultimately, there does need be limits on what people can say. But those limits should only be invoked when there is talk of violence or crime. We are nowhere close to that here.

[Coronita]

[quote=pri_dk]I generally don’t agree with banning people – every one has a right to speak, even if they say ignorant things.

I suggest it’s time we all just ignore the loser (yup, I called him a name!) If we all do it, the problem may go away.

Also, let’s resist the urge to start a general debate about Israeli history. Not gonna resolve that one here.

And it wouldn’t be appropriate to argue this issue at a time close to Hanukkah, which is kinda like Christmas for the Israelis, right? ;-)[/quote]

Markets open in 13 minutes and today’s going to be a irrational day, so I’ll be brief…

It’s not necessarily about Israel.. I was just curious how Wrong Paul would do in general on special interests groups…I’m curious how Wrong Paul would handle special interest group from Saudia Arabia too.. That’s been going on for a long long time too.

Max will probably go away after the elections or earlier once the GOP candidate comes forward..,… Looking more and more like it’s going to be Newt…Scary….

[SK in CV]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=SK in CV]Hanukkah is nothing like Christmas. [/quote]

Understood. I was being silly.

You do see the dilemma in your “Nazi narratives” claim, though?

Is it possible to speak critically of pro-Israel lobbyists without invoking Naziism?

I once worked at a financial firm in Beverly Hills. Most of the other offices in the building were businesses in the film/TV/entertainment industry (law firms, talent agencies, etc.) There were about a hundred firms in our building, and almost every one of them had a Mezuzah on the door (including ours.)

Let’s not kid ourselves. There is a disproportionate number of Jews who have power over what we see in movies, television, etc. Not because of any sinister design, but simply because of history. And most folks in the entertainment business – regardless of their religion – probably don’t have any agenda except to make money like everyone else. However, in the aggregate, there probably is some cultural bias.

In other words, I don’t think anybody “controls” the media. But I do think it is likely that some organizations and cultural groups have more influence than others.

Millions of non-Jews died in the Holocaust alongside the Jews. And yet the standard description of the Holocaust is “6 million Jews.” We don’t often hear the story of the other groups, simply because they don’t have the means to tell their story as well as the Jewish community does. Again, I don’t see this as evidence of any ethical issue, it’s just a reality of the situation.

I don’t believe that Jews “control” anything in America. But it would be dishonest to ignore the fact that Israel is unique when it comes to US foreign policy. Like any political topic, anyone should be free to have an opinion on this issue. And they should be free to put forward positions that others may not like.

Ultimately, there does need be limits on what people can say. But those limits should only be invoked when there is talk of violence or crime. We are nowhere close to that here.[/quote]

I recognized that you were being silly. No problem there. And your point about shifting the direction of the conversation was well placed.

I don’t really disagree with much of anything you said here. I tend to avoid using the 6 million number when it isn’t applicable. And I didn’t actually use it. But the reference was applicable because asshat didn’t say anything about Romanians controlling the media. If he had, I would have included a reference accordingly.

I think there’s a huge difference between pointing out that there’s a disproportionate number of any group within an industry and claiming that group controls it. (Do Latinos control MLB? or African Americans control the NBA?)

And when it comes to politics (or any other subject for that matter), to identify any group as homogenous regarding a certain trait, particularly a negative trait, well that is the very genesis of bigotry. I certainly don’t have any undue influence over the media. If i did, Weeds would have at least a 24 episode season.

Forgive me if I’m a little touchy on some catch phrases. But “jews are un-american” is a whole lot like “jews are un-german”. Doesn’t sound very violent. Until it turned violent one night 73 years ago. The violence didn’t end well.

[scaredyclassic]

I’m jewish and I never even had complete control over the remote control, let alone the media. I’ve got some Jewish buddies who sold a few screenplays but no major productions.

Obviously, though, i do exercise significant control over piggington’s.

I’m not crazy about Israel but then again, I’m an odd jew. I probably shouldn’t speak for any jews but myself.

in general, I think, jews did well in hollywood. but so did others. not sure if they are disproportionate, but probably they are. it’s because jews are funnier. i personally think it’s because jews are genetically outsiders and outsiders are funnier.

that might be racist but there you have it.

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