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[zk]

[quote=bearishgurl]
zk, almost every single one of your sentences (above) has the words “school district” in it. You must know that individual school performance varies widely in a single school district.
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You follow that with a lot of defensive ranting about how great the schools are in your area (and shrill harping about the PUSD – which, by the way, isn’t the school district along the west half of the 56). I’m sure your schools are lovely. Never said they weren’t. What I was talking about applies to any good school district. Or any school district that is “better” than another school district that a homebuyer might be comparing it to or deciding between.

[quote=bearishgurl]
And uh, zk, the “rich” don’t typically buy tract homes located in CA subdivisions for their personal residences. They buy custom homes (or heavily remodeled former “tract” homes) far, far away from any possible freeway noise.
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Well, uh, bg, try to keep up. Let me go slow, here. Flyer said “Why would anyone want to live close to any freeway–regardless of convenience?” I said, “because they’re not rich.” I went on to explain how “not rich” people have to make tradeoffs, and rich people don’t. If flyer can’t understand why anyone would want to live close to a freeway, it’s because Flyer can’t see from a “not rich” person’s perspective and understand that they chose to live near a freeway as part of a tradeoff. So, by saying…

“And uh, zk, the “rich” don’t typically buy tract homes located in CA subdivisions for their personal residences. They buy custom homes (or heavily remodeled former “tract” homes) far, far away from any possible freeway noise.”

…in your typically shrewish fashion, you’re making my point for me.

[quote=bearishgurl]

I’m with flyer in that I would never purchase a property near a freeway, especially one which was subject to unrelenting freeway noise 24/7. If a property owner can’t have any peace living in his own property (or his/her tenants can’t have it and thus keep turning over), then what is the point of owning or renting the property? The size of the house doesn’t matter because the price to live there will always be too high. That price is the act of giving up daily peace and tranquility. Yes, it’s a personal preference but it is also a fact that properties with freeway noise have a built-in “economic obsolescence” that cannot be cured and this is a salability issue.
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I wouldn’t buy a house near a busy freeway either. That’s not the point. The point is that some people would. Some wise buyers would. They would buy a house near a freeway with the full knowledge that they’ll have to put up with noise and that their house will never be worth as much as the hypothetical “same house” would be if it wasn’t near a freeway. But then, they’re not paying as much for it as they would for that hypothetical house. To say, “I wouldn’t buy a house near a freeway” is completely different from saying “I don’t understand why anyone would” or “no wise buyer should ever.” It’s really not that complicated.

[quote=bearishgurl]

The affected property may have not had this issue when it was built but over the years/decades acquired it due to later nearby freeway, underpass, overpass or ramp construction. At one point when the freeway construction was nearly underway, an owner may have gotten compensated by the govm’t for that economic obsolescence but that does nothing for subsequent owners. Therefore, in my mind, there is no reason to purchase a property for residential purposes which has this problem (even for an investment).[/quote]
With all your “economic obsolescence” talk, you seem to be saying that the “subsequent owner” in this situation, or a buyer of any house near an existing freeway, will pay a price for the house that doesn’t take the freeway noise into account, and then sell if for one that does. That’s not how it works. Houses with freeway noise are discounted when you sell them and when you buy them. “Economic obsolescence,”according to the link you provided, means, “loss of value from all causes outside the property itself.” Such as a freeway. So, while not doing your homework and paying full price for a home where a freeway will be built in the future would be unwise, buying near an existing one, for people willing to knowledgeably make the tradeoff, would not be.

[quote=bearishgurl]
My posts had nothing to do with my “feelings”
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That gave me a chuckle.
[quote=bearishgurl]

Understand, FlyerInHi. But would you offer “market price” for such a house or condo … or would you discount your offer based upon the doctrine of “economic obsolescence?”
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bg, here you indicate that you don’t think “market price” takes into account freeway noise. It does. That’s what economic obsolescence means, right? If “market price” were the same, regardless of the freeway noise, then you’d be able to sell it at “market price” and economic obsolescence wouldn’t be a factor.

[an]

[quote=flu]I hear Santee is only 15 minutes to the ocean….[/quote]
LoL… oh the gift that keeps on giving 🙂

At least Santee doesn’t have to deal with unbearable heat like Mira Mesa…

[bearishgurl]

zk, all I was trying to point out here is that living along the SR-56 (whether close enough to be affected by its noise and pollution … or not) is not the only game in town to raise a family in.

I stand by my assertion that no buyer is ever forced to purchase a house with freeway noise. There is no reason for the OP to do it when he/she has choices. So my recommendation to him/her is to choose a property without it for his/her family’s long-term satisfaction. The OP asked here about disadvantages and that’s my opinion.

flu, as the “resident expert” here of Carmel Valley, aren’t there subdivisions in your neck of the woods and its surrounds which do not have freeway noise that you could counsel this OP to pick from?

Oh…. and, flu, you must know that, as convenient as it may be to the ocean, Santee has “freeway issues” in a few spots. And “heat” everywhere … along with air pollution. However, its schools are very good to excellent!

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=flu]I have a prediction folks.

You know the two big new apartment complexes being built in Carmel Valley right over Vista Sorrento Parkway?

I think they are going to be hurting for tenants…bigtime…

I’d give maybe 2 years before they decide to convert them to owner occupied attached homes….

http://www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/California/San-Diego/Ocean-Air/100020971/

$2400-2800/month for a 1bedroom.. Lol… Good luck with that one… That’s almost the same amount of my 15 year mortgage on a SFH in CarmelV.[/quote]

Well, having looked at many, many apartments in my time, I can say the advertised price and what people actually pay always have a gap. There’s a common marketing trick where they will say it’s 2400 a month, but we can let you have it for 2200… what a steal!

I’ve also noticed new buildings often price fairly aggressively until they fill up. They then raise the rent progressively once they don’t have dozens of empty units to fill up.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]However, its schools are very good to excellent![/quote]
So, which school is considered very good and which school is considered excellent? Here’s the list of HS in Grossmont Union and their corresponding API scores over the last 3 years.

West Hills High 807 809 809
El Cajon Valley High 705 661 659
El Capitan High 37-747 740 740
Granite Hills High 791 786 786
Chaparral High ** 540 536 536
Grossmont High 789 781 781
Helix High 804 798 798
Santana High 813 807 807
Grossmont Union High Special Education P** 344 363 390
Phoenix High ** 625 636 627
Steele Canyon High 798 794 794
Viking Center ** 779
Grossmont Middle College High ** 831 832 832
Monte Vista High 785 762 761
Mount Miguel High 695 683 682
Valhalla High 825 817 817

[an]

Are they finally going to connect the western side of Park Village to the 56 now? I always find it dumb not to have Camino Ruiz not go all the way from Miramar all the way to Camino Del Sur. After all, there is a tiny portion in Park Village it’s called Camino Ruiz but it is dead end on both sides. If you can get to the 56 from the West side of Park Village easier, I would think it’ll increase the desirability of the area. Especially if you can get to Intuit easier. It would definitely be more convenient for those living off Carmel Mt. Road, like Christmas card lane area. I wouldn’t think there would be negative impact on pre-existing homes. All I can think of is positives impact (easier access to freeway).

[Coronita]

[quote=AN]Are they finally going to connect the western side of Park Village to the 56 now? I always find it dumb not to have Camino Ruiz not go all the way from Miramar all the way to Camino Del Sur. After all, there is a tiny portion in Park Village it’s called Camino Ruiz but it is dead end on both sides. If you can get to the 56 from the West side of Park Village easier, I would think it’ll increase the desirability of the area. Especially if you can get to Intuit easier. It would definitely be more convenient for those living off Carmel Mt. Road, like Christmas card lane area. I wouldn’t think there would be negative impact on pre-existing homes. All I can think of is positives impact (easier access to freeway).[/quote]

Does it go through santee?

[flyer]

From all of this, I guess as long as each person is happy with their housing and school district choices–all is well.

As we, and most of our friends with college grads have learned, the real proof of educational (along with other contributing factors) success (or lack therof), comes when they start looking for jobs. That’s where the rubber really meets the road. If they get to that point–and achieve what they set out to do–that’s what really matters.

[Coronita]

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[flyer]

Oh, I agree with all of that flu.

Personlly, I believe connections are extremely important in life. In fact, that’s exactly how my kids got into their chosen careers. Regardless of education, none of them would be where they are (doing what they love) without them.

I was simply responding to the commonly held belief that going to a particular school in a partcular district holds the magical key to a perfect destiny. It may contribute, but it’s definitely not the ultimate determining factor.

edit: I was responding to the deleted post.

[Coronita]

[quote=flyer]Oh, I agree with all of that flu.

Personlly, I believe connections are extremely important in life. In fact, that’s exactly how my kids got into their chosen careers. Regardless of education, none of them would be where they are (doing what they love) without them.

I was simply responding to the commonly held belief that going to a particular school in a partcular district holds the magical key to a perfect destiny. It may contribute, but it’s definitely not the ultimate determining factor.

edit: I was responding to the deleted post.[/quote]

I was in a bad mood..at work.. wasn’t directed at you…I removed the snarky comment…because well, I’m sick and tired of people telling me to “work smarter”. lol…..There wasn’t many times I wish I was born into a billionaire’s family…Today pushed me closer to that edge…

[bearishgurl]

I totally agree with flyer that success in life post college (after obtaining a degree) is where the rubber meets the road.

So far, I haven’t had any “boomerang” kid(s) on my doorstep needing a place to live due to being too busy “making bank” in the Silicon Valley. You are entirely correct, flyer, that “connections” are ultimately what gets a recent college graduate’s foot in the door … it doesn’t matter WHO made the “connection” … only that it was made. After that, it is all on them so “work ethic” also matters. No hiring mgr in the “real world” is going to give one whit about where their job applicants attended elem school, middle school or even HS.

My last kid is leaving for college next month and I don’t expect them to ever return to SD County to live, either, when so much better opportunities exist elsewhere in the state.

[zk]

[quote=bearishgurl]zk, all I was trying to point out here is that living along the SR-56 (whether close enough to be affected by its noise and pollution … or not) is not the only game in town to raise a family in.
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That’s not at all what it sounded like, but ok. Not sure of the relevance there. Nobody in this thread said, implied, or even hinted that it was.

[quote=bearishgurl]
I stand by my assertion that no buyer is ever forced to purchase a house with freeway noise.
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Not a very bold assertion. I don’t think anyone disagrees with it.

[quote=bearishgurl]

There is no reason for the OP to do it when he/she has choices.
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What if the only way they can afford the yard size they want in the school district they want with the house size they want in the climate they want (etc.) is to buy a house that has all that and is only affordable to them because it’s near a freeway? And they place a greater importance on those other things than quietness?
[quote=bearishgurl]

So my recommendation to him/her is to choose a property without it for his/her family’s long-term satisfaction.
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Same question as above.
[quote=bearishgurl]

The OP asked here about disadvantages and that’s my opinion.

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Your opinion is that they should never buy a house near a freeway, regardless of whether they can trade living with noise for some higher priority (for them) item?

[bearishgurl]

zk, you’re making the same tired, circular argument. Are you trying to say that that ONLY houses WITH freeway noise which possess all the “requirements” (including price range) of the OP are available? We don’t even know what the his/her “requirements” or price range is! What school attendance area are you referring to and what is so special about these three public schools (elem/middle/HS) that would cause buyers to choose to make offers on single family homes to raise their families in which had fatal flaws over listed homes which didn’t? Do these schools have gold-plated steps to the front door? Do the teachers there all have doctorates??

Given the congestion and overcrowding up there, a better question might be, do each of those 3 schools guarantee a slot for each student who resides within their attendance boundaries?

And how do you know that a particular school district is what the OP is seeking or even if he/she has any kids?

Its seems here that you may be trying to put yourself in the OP’s shoes and so stated here what YOU would do in order to live in a particular school attendance area.

Maybe the OP just wants to live closer to work. Until they come back with some feedback, you’re just spinning your wheels.

[bearishgurl]

zk, I’d like to know what you think is a “higher priority” than quiet enjoyment of one’s real property.

Leave the school attendance area out of the equation for a moment, since CA public school districts can basically place your student anywhere they have room for them so school placement is essentially out of a parents’ control.

What would be the reasons you would choose to make offers on a house with incessant freeway noise (or under a busy military or commercial flight path) over a house which didn’t have these flaws?

Name the pros and cons (and guesstimate price differences) of each property. Thanks.

And no judgments on my end. I am really, truly curious.

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