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September 16, 2007 at 11:01 PM #10311September 17, 2007 at 3:04 AM #84786Ash HousewaresParticipant
The USA attacking Iran would send oil prices off the charts
I think there’s a very good chance of this happening. Over then next couple months we’ll continue hearing stories about Iranian weapons and training supporting the insurgency in Iraq. This will be used as a justification to launch a small strike on a few Iranian targets. The Iranians will react to this and in doing so will give Bush some sort of justification for launching a much larger campaign in Iran. He does not want to leave office with the Iranians still working on nukes.
September 17, 2007 at 12:08 PM #84830stockstradrParticipantI think there’s a very good chance of this happening.
Yes, I consider the chance of political instability in a major oil-producing nation (either political revolution, civil war, or war with another nation) is unquestionably the most significant risk for any short-term bear strategy on the oil sectory.
I have decided no more than 10% of my total portfolio will be put into short oil positions. Today I took a 4% of portfolio position in DUG, the 2X inverse fund.
My short-term gamble is that as market participants transition (in the next five months?) from nervous uncertainty to certainty that we are entering a recession, then oil prices will drop at least 10% simply on expectations of lowered demand.
September 17, 2007 at 1:30 PM #84845asragovParticipantShorting is risky.
You hopefully are very well aware of what is going on in the oil industry to make such a bet.
Very smart, connected people, even the ex-Chairman of Shell (see link), see significantly higher oil prices ahead.
http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=50047106624331
Also see:
http://www.energybulletin.net/34860.html
Will a recession in the US stop the growth of demand for oil in China? The US is only a small market for China’s exports, so, probably not.
The basic “peak oil” theory is that reserves in the Middle East are much lower than what is claimed, and that production of other fields is now peaking, while demand just keeps growing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
Good luck with your trading, but be very careful!
September 17, 2007 at 8:38 PM #84905delicious ironyParticipantDidn’t Uncle Al (Greenspan) mention a reduction of 4-5 million bbls/day would cause prices to spike to $120?
If you believe these guys, production is falling and demand is may still be growing:
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2973#moreI agree with the above poster about shorting being risky. So many more things can go wrong than just going long.
What about going long assets that directly benefit from lower oil prices?
September 18, 2007 at 2:20 PM #85031anParticipantstockstradr, good luck to you on DUG. That is if you’re still holding your short position. It must hurt a little getting a 5.7% haircut. DUG seems to broke the all time low of 42ish set in July. It’ll be interesting to see where the market will go from here after the 50 points cut.
September 18, 2007 at 2:41 PM #85041(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantD’oh !
You may be right in the long run, but I think a weaker dollar in the near-term means higher oil (with respect to the dollar). I would rather time this trade when the other Central banks start easing rates, which would take some pressure off the dollar. But, I don’t like to short too often (though I am currently short the dollar via UDN).
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